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Controversial Topic: How does abortion affect you? *EDITED*

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***Since many did not seem to take the time to actually read what I have posted please see page 43 for a brief overview of my statement.  This is not a post that is trying to sway you to become pro-choice.  This is not a debate on whether abortion is right or wrong.  This debate is on a woman's right and why it is that one side feels that it is right to take away those rights through legislation.

 

reading the news this morning and still seeing articles on states trying to defund Planned Parenthood and trying to find ways to stop abortions from occuring. 

The thing that bothers me the most about these articles is I don't understand how abortions affect these people.  If I were to get pregnant tomorrow I would be setting up an appointment to get an abortion.  No questions asked.  I am on birth control to help ensure I do not get pregnant so that would mean my birth control failed and right now I absolutely cannot add a baby to the equation.  But how does that affect anyone other than my husband (who be supportive of my decision) and I?  If you are Pro-Life why is it that you would want to force something onto me that could potentially put us in such a bad place that it would be detrimental to my family?  Why is it that the Government (namely the GOP) feels the need to tell me that I don't have a right to make decisions that are best for my family and my life?  How does what I do with my family, my body and my life affect this nation as a whole or you as an individual?

And before we begin with the obvious statements I would like to give you a few MYTHS of abortion.

MYTH: Women are using abortion as a method of birth control.

In fact, half of all women getting abortions report that contraception was used during the month they became pregnant. Some of these couples had used the method improperly; some had forgotten or neglected to use it on the particular occasion they conceived; and some had used a contraceptive that failed. No contraceptive method prevents pregnancy 100% of the time.

If abortion were used as a primary method of birth control, a typical woman would have at least two or three pregnancies per year - 30 or more during her lifetime. In fact, most women who have abortions have had no previous abortions (52%) or only one previous abortion (26%). Considering that most women are fertile for over 30 years, and that birth control is not perfect, the likelihood of having one or two unintended pregnancies is very high.

MYTH: Women have abortions for selfish or frivolous reasons.

The decision to have an abortion is rarely simple. Most women base their decision on several factors, the most common being lack of money and/or unreadiness to start or expand their families due to existing responsibilities. Many feel that the most responsible course of action is to wait until their situation is more suited to childrearing; 66% plan to have children when they are older, financially able to provide necessities for them, and/or in a supportive relationship with a partner so their children will have two parents. Others wanted to get pregnant but developed serious medical problems, learned that the fetus had severe abnormalities, or experienced some other personal crisis. About 13,000 women each year have abortions because they have become pregnant as a result of rape or incest.

MYTH: Women are often forced into having abortions they do not really want.

Some women say that pressure from a husband, partner, or parent was one of several reasons they chose abortion, but only about 1% give that reason as the "most important" one in making their decision. Conversely, some women who do not want to continue their pregnancies are pressured to do so by family members, friends, or fear of social stigma. Pre-abortion options counseling is designed to determine whether a woman is fully comfortable with her abortion decision, and if she is not, she is encouraged to wait until she has had a chance to consider her options more fully.

MYTH: Many women come to regret their abortions later.

Research indicates that relief is the most common emotional response following abortion, and that psychological distress appears to be greatest before, rather than after, an abortion.

There are undoubtedly some women who, in hindsight, wish that they had made different choices, and the majority would prefer never to have become pregnant when the circumstances were not right for them. When a wanted pregnancy is ended (for medical reasons, for example) women may experience a sense of loss and grief. As with any major change or decision involving loss, a crisis later in life sometimes leads to a temporary resurfacing of sad feelings surrounding the abortion. Women at risk for poor post-abortion adjustment are those who do not get the support they need, or whose abortion decisions are actively opposed by people who are important to them.

 

http://www.prochoice.org/about_abortion/facts/women_who.html

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/ss5109a1.htm

http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_induced_abortion.html

 

ETA:  I have noticed that the topic of murdering someone who is already living has come up.

The topic is on why it is ok to force your moral view of when life begins and personhood rights onto people who do not agree with that view point.  I think it is safe to say that a person who has been born has life and has person hood so that point is moot.

Furthermore, I have posted on Page 2 a link to the Theological, Philisophical and Scientific Arguements for when life begins.  Here is the link http://www.sinauer.com/pdf/BioethicsCh02.pdf

Some will die in hot pursuit and fiery auto crashes. Some will die in hot pursuit while sifting through my ashes. Some will fall in love with life and drink it from a fountain that is pouring like an avalanche coming down the mountain. ~Butthole Surfers



 

by on May. 5, 2012 at 6:51 AM
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UnIdentiFiedOne
by on May. 6, 2012 at 8:32 AM
Some prolifers make me want to stab forks in my eyes.

Wait, wait. Not my eyes...their eyes. My bad.
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abifasc
by Silver Member on May. 6, 2012 at 8:48 AM

The "what's true for you may not be true for me" is the weakest argument ever. Abortion is killing a baby. Just because it's legal murder does not make it right.

Anonymous
by Anonymous on May. 6, 2012 at 9:23 AM
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You people do realize that an anecdotal example can only be used to illustrate that a situation is possible, right?

Telling a story about something that has happened does not mean that that is the case for Every Single Person. 

Yes, some people might be raped, get pregnant, have the child, and be OK with that.
Some people might not.
Some people might get pregnant accidentally and be physically and mentally capable of carrying that fetus to delivery and able to either raise it or give it up for adoption.
Some people might not.

It's absolutely wonderful to support people who are in a rough situation and encourage them to see all of their options and possibly see a positive side to an accidental or forced pregnancy. However, it is also important to accept that for some people, this might not be an option.

There are certainly going to be cases where someone gets pregnant and absolutely can not remain pregnant.  

As a pro-choice activist, I am never arguing that more women should get abortions or that terminating a pregnancy is something that people should do frivolously. I am simply arguing that abortion is a sometimes necessary medical procedure that a woman must have the absolute right to choose.

 

alyssaravensmom
by Platinum Member on May. 6, 2012 at 9:26 AM
I am very very sorry. I am glad that you were able to have a life and hopefully accomplish things you wanted to.


Quoting mommasbabies77:

I am the product of rape. My mother tried to abort. She was too far along. There's not a day that has gone by that I don't wish she had succeeded.



Quoting alyssaravensmom:

You don't know that child would suffer. Maybe ask them women who have raised kids from rape. Do you think they invest their whole life in the rape of their mother? I highly doubt that. So is it selfish for insemination? Those children will probably never know their father. What about girls who have children with abusive men? What about one night stands resulting in pregnancy? Those aren't ideal situations either. If a women keeps a child from rape, then she must have a truly big heart. You can't judge that the child will have a hard life. If you would actually read the post from raped women, their children, and now adult kids have had good life's. I get the fact that you are for abortion and would abort in the case of rape. But why pretty much say all raped women should get abortion. To me, that seems ridiculous. I view abortion as selfish, so we have different views. To each their own.



Quoting Jaybo:



Quoting alyssaravensmom:

There are many girls on here who were raped and had the baby. They are glad they kept the baby and they love them to death. Sooo.



Quoting Jaybo:


 



Quoting Anonymous:



If you don't want a baby, keep your legs closed. Abortion is murder and it's always a selfish reason, the highlighted text clearly shows that because of how many times the words I and my come up.



I know I'll get backlash for saying it's always selfish because people will say, "What about rape victims?" It's not the baby's fault the father committed a crime, and being a rape victim myself I can tell you with absolute certainty that I would not have had an abortion if a pregnancy resulted from that rape.



I've never spoken to someone that was happy or relieved they had an abortion, unless they were selfish cold hearted whores, I've spoken to many who regret it.



Quoting bluespagan:



reading the news this morning and still seeing articles on states trying to defund Planned Parenthood and trying to find ways to stop abortions from occuring. 



The thing that bothers me the most about these articles is I don't understand how abortions affect these people.  If I were to get pregnant tomorrow I would be setting up an appointment to get an abortion.  No questions asked.  I am on birth control to help ensure I do not get pregnant so that would mean my birth control failed and right now I absolutely cannot add a baby to the equation.  But how does that affect anyone other than my husband (who be supportive of my decision) and I?  If you are Pro-Life why is it that you would want to force something onto me that could potentially put us in such a bad place that it would be detrimental to my family?  Why is it that the Government (namely the GOP) feels the need to tell me that I don't have a right to make decisions that are best for my family and my life?  How does what I do with my family, my body and my life affect this nation as a whole or you as an individual?



And before we begin with the obvious statements I would like to give you a few MYTHS of abortion.



MYTH: Women are using abortion as a method of birth control.



In fact, half of all women getting abortions report that contraception was used during the month they became pregnant. Some of these couples had used the method improperly; some had forgotten or neglected to use it on the particular occasion they conceived; and some had used a contraceptive that failed. No contraceptive method prevents pregnancy 100% of the time.



If abortion were used as a primary method of birth control, a typical woman would have at least two or three pregnancies per year - 30 or more during her lifetime. In fact, most women who have abortions have had no previous abortions (52%) or only one previous abortion (26%). Considering that most women are fertile for over 30 years, and that birth control is not perfect, the likelihood of having one or two unintended pregnancies is very high.



MYTH: Women have abortions for selfish or frivolous reasons.



The decision to have an abortion is rarely simple. Most women base their decision on several factors, the most common being lack of money and/or unreadiness to start or expand their families due to existing responsibilities. Many feel that the most responsible course of action is to wait until their situation is more suited to childrearing; 66% plan to have children when they are older, financially able to provide necessities for them, and/or in a supportive relationship with a partner so their children will have two parents. Others wanted to get pregnant but developed serious medical problems, learned that the fetus had severe abnormalities, or experienced some other personal crisis. About 13,000 women each year have abortions because they have become pregnant as a result of rape or incest.



MYTH: Women are often forced into having abortions they do not really want.



Some women say that pressure from a husband, partner, or parent was one of several reasons they chose abortion, but only about 1% give that reason as the "most important" one in making their decision. Conversely, some women who do not want to continue their pregnancies are pressured to do so by family members, friends, or fear of social stigma. Pre-abortion options counseling is designed to determine whether a woman is fully comfortable with her abortion decision, and if she is not, she is encouraged to wait until she has had a chance to consider her options more fully.



MYTH: Many women come to regret their abortions later. bull shit.



Research indicates that relief is the most common emotional response following abortion, and that psychological distress appears to be greatest before, rather than after, an abortion.



There are undoubtedly some women who, in hindsight, wish that they had made different choices, and the majority would prefer never to have become pregnant when the circumstances were not right for them. When a wanted pregnancy is ended (for medical reasons, for example) women may experience a sense of loss and grief. As with any major change or decision involving loss, a crisis later in life sometimes leads to a temporary resurfacing of sad feelings surrounding the abortion. Women at risk for poor post-abortion adjustment are those who do not get the support they need, or whose abortion decisions are actively opposed by people who are important to them.



 



http://www.prochoice.org/about_abortion/facts/women_who.html



http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/ss5109a1.htm



http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_induced_abortion.html



 



ETA:  I have noticed that the topic of murdering someone who is already living has come up.



The topic is on why it is ok to force your moral view of when life begins and personhood rights onto people who do not agree with that view point.  I think it is safe to say that a person who has been born has life and has person hood so that point is moot.



Furthermore, I have posted on Page 2 a link to the Theological, Philisophical and Scientific Arguements for when life begins.  Here is the link http://www.sinauer.com/pdf/BioethicsCh02.pdf



 



What bullcrap. If you had a child as a result of rape, you'd never look your child in the face with absolute love, you'd look at your child with hidden resentment as your child was not your choice. .



 Seriously, what would you tell your child when he/she asked about daddy? That his/her daddy is a man who raped you? If you don't tell your child the truth about his/ her daddy, you'd be a liar & a hypocrite. If you do tell your child the truth, he/ she will go through life with the knowledge he/ she was a result of rape, that he/ she was not a planned/wanted child.  If you can do that to any child, you're a monster.



Dear god, people like you are the plague of the earth. 




I repeat. What would the "many woman" you profess to having a child from a rapist on this forum, tell their child when they ask who their daddy is? Lie or tell the truth? Whatever they choose, the child will suffer in the end. Suffer when the child finds out he/she was lied to, or suffer when the child finds out his/her father is a rapist.


Think about the child a few years down the line. Teen asks teen, who's your dad? Teen either has to lie about the dad, or tell the truth, that his/her dad is a man who raped his/her mom.


Putting a child through that is selfish & cruel. Forget the loving mother bit,  only a monster would do such a tthing to a child.
















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mommasbabies77
by on May. 6, 2012 at 9:35 AM
I appreciate that. My only point was some of these women act as if all children conceived in rape are happy their mother didn't abort. But there are those of us that would have NEVER chosen to live the way we had to. I was raped by my father (my mother's rapist) by the time I was 4, subjected to torment most couldn't handle hearing about, and forced to abort his baby at 16 years old. My mother? She walked away from me, my sister, and her violent rapist when I was not quite 2. And what? I'm supposed to be thankful that she didn't "kill" me as a fetus? No thanks..I have loads of other things to be thankful for besides that pathetic coward who couldn't even follow through with the one thing that would have spared so much pain.

Quoting alyssaravensmom:

I am very very sorry. I am glad that you were able to have a life and hopefully accomplish things you wanted to.




Quoting mommasbabies77:

I am the product of rape. My mother tried to abort. She was too far along. There's not a day that has gone by that I don't wish she had succeeded.





Quoting alyssaravensmom:

You don't know that child would suffer. Maybe ask them women who have raised kids from rape. Do you think they invest their whole life in the rape of their mother? I highly doubt that. So is it selfish for insemination? Those children will probably never know their father. What about girls who have children with abusive men? What about one night stands resulting in pregnancy? Those aren't ideal situations either. If a women keeps a child from rape, then she must have a truly big heart. You can't judge that the child will have a hard life. If you would actually read the post from raped women, their children, and now adult kids have had good life's. I get the fact that you are for abortion and would abort in the case of rape. But why pretty much say all raped women should get abortion. To me, that seems ridiculous. I view abortion as selfish, so we have different views. To each their own.




Quoting Jaybo:



Quoting alyssaravensmom:

There are many girls on here who were raped and had the baby. They are glad they kept the baby and they love them to death. Sooo.



Quoting Jaybo:


 



Quoting Anonymous:



If you don't want a baby, keep your legs closed. Abortion is murder and it's always a selfish reason, the highlighted text clearly shows that because of how many times the words I and my come up.



I know I'll get backlash for saying it's always selfish because people will say, "What about rape victims?" It's not the baby's fault the father committed a crime, and being a rape victim myself I can tell you with absolute certainty that I would not have had an abortion if a pregnancy resulted from that rape.



I've never spoken to someone that was happy or relieved they had an abortion, unless they were selfish cold hearted whores, I've spoken to many who regret it.



Quoting bluespagan:



reading the news this morning and still seeing articles on states trying to defund Planned Parenthood and trying to find ways to stop abortions from occuring. 



The thing that bothers me the most about these articles is I don't understand how abortions affect these people.  If I were to get pregnant tomorrow I would be setting up an appointment to get an abortion.  No questions asked.  I am on birth control to help ensure I do not get pregnant so that would mean my birth control failed and right now I absolutely cannot add a baby to the equation.  But how does that affect anyone other than my husband (who be supportive of my decision) and I?  If you are Pro-Life why is it that you would want to force something onto me that could potentially put us in such a bad place that it would be detrimental to my family?  Why is it that the Government (namely the GOP) feels the need to tell me that I don't have a right to make decisions that are best for my family and my life?  How does what I do with my family, my body and my life affect this nation as a whole or you as an individual?



And before we begin with the obvious statements I would like to give you a few MYTHS of abortion.



MYTH: Women are using abortion as a method of birth control.



In fact, half of all women getting abortions report that contraception was used during the month they became pregnant. Some of these couples had used the method improperly; some had forgotten or neglected to use it on the particular occasion they conceived; and some had used a contraceptive that failed. No contraceptive method prevents pregnancy 100% of the time.



If abortion were used as a primary method of birth control, a typical woman would have at least two or three pregnancies per year - 30 or more during her lifetime. In fact, most women who have abortions have had no previous abortions (52%) or only one previous abortion (26%). Considering that most women are fertile for over 30 years, and that birth control is not perfect, the likelihood of having one or two unintended pregnancies is very high.



MYTH: Women have abortions for selfish or frivolous reasons.



The decision to have an abortion is rarely simple. Most women base their decision on several factors, the most common being lack of money and/or unreadiness to start or expand their families due to existing responsibilities. Many feel that the most responsible course of action is to wait until their situation is more suited to childrearing; 66% plan to have children when they are older, financially able to provide necessities for them, and/or in a supportive relationship with a partner so their children will have two parents. Others wanted to get pregnant but developed serious medical problems, learned that the fetus had severe abnormalities, or experienced some other personal crisis. About 13,000 women each year have abortions because they have become pregnant as a result of rape or incest.



MYTH: Women are often forced into having abortions they do not really want.



Some women say that pressure from a husband, partner, or parent was one of several reasons they chose abortion, but only about 1% give that reason as the "most important" one in making their decision. Conversely, some women who do not want to continue their pregnancies are pressured to do so by family members, friends, or fear of social stigma. Pre-abortion options counseling is designed to determine whether a woman is fully comfortable with her abortion decision, and if she is not, she is encouraged to wait until she has had a chance to consider her options more fully.



MYTH: Many women come to regret their abortions later. bull shit.



Research indicates that relief is the most common emotional response following abortion, and that psychological distress appears to be greatest before, rather than after, an abortion.



There are undoubtedly some women who, in hindsight, wish that they had made different choices, and the majority would prefer never to have become pregnant when the circumstances were not right for them. When a wanted pregnancy is ended (for medical reasons, for example) women may experience a sense of loss and grief. As with any major change or decision involving loss, a crisis later in life sometimes leads to a temporary resurfacing of sad feelings surrounding the abortion. Women at risk for poor post-abortion adjustment are those who do not get the support they need, or whose abortion decisions are actively opposed by people who are important to them.



 



http://www.prochoice.org/about_abortion/facts/women_who.html



http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/ss5109a1.htm



http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_induced_abortion.html



 



ETA:  I have noticed that the topic of murdering someone who is already living has come up.



The topic is on why it is ok to force your moral view of when life begins and personhood rights onto people who do not agree with that view point.  I think it is safe to say that a person who has been born has life and has person hood so that point is moot.



Furthermore, I have posted on Page 2 a link to the Theological, Philisophical and Scientific Arguements for when life begins.  Here is the link http://www.sinauer.com/pdf/BioethicsCh02.pdf



 



What bullcrap. If you had a child as a result of rape, you'd never look your child in the face with absolute love, you'd look at your child with hidden resentment as your child was not your choice. .



 Seriously, what would you tell your child when he/she asked about daddy? That his/her daddy is a man who raped you? If you don't tell your child the truth about his/ her daddy, you'd be a liar & a hypocrite. If you do tell your child the truth, he/ she will go through life with the knowledge he/ she was a result of rape, that he/ she was not a planned/wanted child.  If you can do that to any child, you're a monster.



Dear god, people like you are the plague of the earth. 




I repeat. What would the "many woman" you profess to having a child from a rapist on this forum, tell their child when they ask who their daddy is? Lie or tell the truth? Whatever they choose, the child will suffer in the end. Suffer when the child finds out he/she was lied to, or suffer when the child finds out his/her father is a rapist.


Think about the child a few years down the line. Teen asks teen, who's your dad? Teen either has to lie about the dad, or tell the truth, that his/her dad is a man who raped his/her mom.


Putting a child through that is selfish & cruel. Forget the loving mother bit,  only a monster would do such a tthing to a child.

















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Anonymous
by Anonymous on May. 6, 2012 at 9:41 AM
Its a personal choice. I dont think its right that people should not be able to have the right to make the choice.i dont know that i would ever be able to have an abortion myself but i wouldnt judge anyone whos had to because of their situation. Its a right and shoulnt be taken away. I have read countless stories of people who did not have the right to wait to deliver their non viable pregnancies get serious infections which left them unable to try to have another child. So sad..
alyssaravensmom
by Platinum Member on May. 6, 2012 at 9:47 AM

I am deeply sorry. I couldn't imagine the things that you've had to go through. I do see it as a different situation, since your mother had wanted to abort, then the mothers who didn't want to abort. I am happy you are here though. I wish your life had gone better. I truly do wish you had never been abused, and the your mother would have either protected you, or gave you up to someday that would have loved you unconditionally. I really hope that as an adult, you can be able to love the life you have now. My heart does go out to you.

Quoting mommasbabies77:

I appreciate that. My only point was some of these women act as if all children conceived in rape are happy their mother didn't abort. But there are those of us that would have NEVER chosen to live the way we had to. I was raped by my father (my mother's rapist) by the time I was 4, subjected to torment most couldn't handle hearing about, and forced to abort his baby at 16 years old. My mother? She walked away from me, my sister, and her violent rapist when I was not quite 2. And what? I'm supposed to be thankful that she didn't "kill" me as a fetus? No thanks..I have loads of other things to be thankful for besides that pathetic coward who couldn't even follow through with the one thing that would have spared so much pain.

Quoting alyssaravensmom:

I am very very sorry. I am glad that you were able to have a life and hopefully accomplish things you wanted to.




Quoting mommasbabies77:

I am the product of rape. My mother tried to abort. She was too far along. There's not a day that has gone by that I don't wish she had succeeded.





Quoting alyssaravensmom:

You don't know that child would suffer. Maybe ask them women who have raised kids from rape. Do you think they invest their whole life in the rape of their mother? I highly doubt that. So is it selfish for insemination? Those children will probably never know their father. What about girls who have children with abusive men? What about one night stands resulting in pregnancy? Those aren't ideal situations either. If a women keeps a child from rape, then she must have a truly big heart. You can't judge that the child will have a hard life. If you would actually read the post from raped women, their children, and now adult kids have had good life's. I get the fact that you are for abortion and would abort in the case of rape. But why pretty much say all raped women should get abortion. To me, that seems ridiculous. I view abortion as selfish, so we have different views. To each their own.




Quoting Jaybo:



Quoting alyssaravensmom:

There are many girls on here who were raped and had the baby. They are glad they kept the baby and they love them to death. Sooo.



Quoting Jaybo:





Quoting Anonymous:



If you don't want a baby, keep your legs closed. Abortion is murder and it's always a selfish reason, the highlighted text clearly shows that because of how many times the words I and my come up.



I know I'll get backlash for saying it's always selfish because people will say, "What about rape victims?" It's not the baby's fault the father committed a crime, and being a rape victim myself I can tell you with absolute certainty that I would not have had an abortion if a pregnancy resulted from that rape.



I've never spoken to someone that was happy or relieved they had an abortion, unless they were selfish cold hearted whores, I've spoken to many who regret it.



Quoting bluespagan:



reading the news this morning and still seeing articles on states trying to defund Planned Parenthood and trying to find ways to stop abortions from occuring. 



The thing that bothers me the most about these articles is I don't understand how abortions affect these people.  If I were to get pregnant tomorrow I would be setting up an appointment to get an abortion.  No questions asked.  I am on birth control to help ensure I do not get pregnant so that would mean my birth control failed and right now I absolutely cannot add a baby to the equation.  But how does that affect anyone other than my husband (who be supportive of my decision) and I?  If you are Pro-Life why is it that you would want to force something onto me that could potentially put us in such a bad place that it would be detrimental to my family?  Why is it that the Government (namely the GOP) feels the need to tell me that I don't have a right to make decisions that are best for my family and my life?  How does what I do with my family, my body and my life affect this nation as a whole or you as an individual?



And before we begin with the obvious statements I would like to give you a few MYTHS of abortion.



MYTH: Women are using abortion as a method of birth control.



In fact, half of all women getting abortions report that contraception was used during the month they became pregnant. Some of these couples had used the method improperly; some had forgotten or neglected to use it on the particular occasion they conceived; and some had used a contraceptive that failed. No contraceptive method prevents pregnancy 100% of the time.



If abortion were used as a primary method of birth control, a typical woman would have at least two or three pregnancies per year - 30 or more during her lifetime. In fact, most women who have abortions have had no previous abortions (52%) or only one previous abortion (26%). Considering that most women are fertile for over 30 years, and that birth control is not perfect, the likelihood of having one or two unintended pregnancies is very high.



MYTH: Women have abortions for selfish or frivolous reasons.



The decision to have an abortion is rarely simple. Most women base their decision on several factors, the most common being lack of money and/or unreadiness to start or expand their families due to existing responsibilities. Many feel that the most responsible course of action is to wait until their situation is more suited to childrearing; 66% plan to have children when they are older, financially able to provide necessities for them, and/or in a supportive relationship with a partner so their children will have two parents. Others wanted to get pregnant but developed serious medical problems, learned that the fetus had severe abnormalities, or experienced some other personal crisis. About 13,000 women each year have abortions because they have become pregnant as a result of rape or incest.



MYTH: Women are often forced into having abortions they do not really want.



Some women say that pressure from a husband, partner, or parent was one of several reasons they chose abortion, but only about 1% give that reason as the "most important" one in making their decision. Conversely, some women who do not want to continue their pregnancies are pressured to do so by family members, friends, or fear of social stigma. Pre-abortion options counseling is designed to determine whether a woman is fully comfortable with her abortion decision, and if she is not, she is encouraged to wait until she has had a chance to consider her options more fully.



MYTH: Many women come to regret their abortions later. bull shit.



Research indicates that relief is the most common emotional response following abortion, and that psychological distress appears to be greatest before, rather than after, an abortion.



There are undoubtedly some women who, in hindsight, wish that they had made different choices, and the majority would prefer never to have become pregnant when the circumstances were not right for them. When a wanted pregnancy is ended (for medical reasons, for example) women may experience a sense of loss and grief. As with any major change or decision involving loss, a crisis later in life sometimes leads to a temporary resurfacing of sad feelings surrounding the abortion. Women at risk for poor post-abortion adjustment are those who do not get the support they need, or whose abortion decisions are actively opposed by people who are important to them.






http://www.prochoice.org/about_abortion/facts/women_who.html



http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/ss5109a1.htm



http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_induced_abortion.html






ETA:  I have noticed that the topic of murdering someone who is already living has come up.



The topic is on why it is ok to force your moral view of when life begins and personhood rights onto people who do not agree with that view point.  I think it is safe to say that a person who has been born has life and has person hood so that point is moot.



Furthermore, I have posted on Page 2 a link to the Theological, Philisophical and Scientific Arguements for when life begins.  Here is the link http://www.sinauer.com/pdf/BioethicsCh02.pdf






What bullcrap. If you had a child as a result of rape, you'd never look your child in the face with absolute love, you'd look at your child with hidden resentment as your child was not your choice. .



 Seriously, what would you tell your child when he/she asked about daddy? That his/her daddy is a man who raped you? If you don't tell your child the truth about his/ her daddy, you'd be a liar & a hypocrite. If you do tell your child the truth, he/ she will go through life with the knowledge he/ she was a result of rape, that he/ she was not a planned/wanted child.  If you can do that to any child, you're a monster.



Dear god, people like you are the plague of the earth. 




I repeat. What would the "many woman" you profess to having a child from a rapist on this forum, tell their child when they ask who their daddy is? Lie or tell the truth? Whatever they choose, the child will suffer in the end. Suffer when the child finds out he/she was lied to, or suffer when the child finds out his/her father is a rapist.


Think about the child a few years down the line. Teen asks teen, who's your dad? Teen either has to lie about the dad, or tell the truth, that his/her dad is a man who raped his/her mom.


Putting a child through that is selfish & cruel. Forget the loving mother bit,  only a monster would do such a tthing to a child.




















mommasbabies77
by on May. 6, 2012 at 9:55 AM
I don't agree. I wanted to carry my child conceived of rape. My father forced(physically tortured me) into abortion. I think it was the best thing hee could have done for me.

Quoting alyssaravensmom:

I am deeply sorry. I couldn't imagine the things that you've had to go through. I do see it as a different situation, since your mother had wanted to abort, then the mothers who didn't want to abort. I am happy you are here though. I wish your life had gone better. I truly do wish you had never been abused, and the your mother would have either protected you, or gave you up to someday that would have loved you unconditionally. I really hope that as an adult, you can be able to love the life you have now. My heart does go out to you.


Quoting mommasbabies77:

I appreciate that. My only point was some of these women act as if all children conceived in rape are happy their mother didn't abort. But there are those of us that would have NEVER chosen to live the way we had to. I was raped by my father (my mother's rapist) by the time I was 4, subjected to torment most couldn't handle hearing about, and forced to abort his baby at 16 years old. My mother? She walked away from me, my sister, and her violent rapist when I was not quite 2. And what? I'm supposed to be thankful that she didn't "kill" me as a fetus? No thanks..I have loads of other things to be thankful for besides that pathetic coward who couldn't even follow through with the one thing that would have spared so much pain.



Quoting alyssaravensmom:

I am very very sorry. I am glad that you were able to have a life and hopefully accomplish things you wanted to.







Quoting mommasbabies77:

I am the product of rape. My mother tried to abort. She was too far along. There's not a day that has gone by that I don't wish she had succeeded.







Quoting alyssaravensmom:

You don't know that child would suffer. Maybe ask them women who have raised kids from rape. Do you think they invest their whole life in the rape of their mother? I highly doubt that. So is it selfish for insemination? Those children will probably never know their father. What about girls who have children with abusive men? What about one night stands resulting in pregnancy? Those aren't ideal situations either. If a women keeps a child from rape, then she must have a truly big heart. You can't judge that the child will have a hard life. If you would actually read the post from raped women, their children, and now adult kids have had good life's. I get the fact that you are for abortion and would abort in the case of rape. But why pretty much say all raped women should get abortion. To me, that seems ridiculous. I view abortion as selfish, so we have different views. To each their own.





Quoting Jaybo:



Quoting alyssaravensmom:

There are many girls on here who were raped and had the baby. They are glad they kept the baby and they love them to death. Sooo.



Quoting Jaybo:





Quoting Anonymous:



If you don't want a baby, keep your legs closed. Abortion is murder and it's always a selfish reason, the highlighted text clearly shows that because of how many times the words I and my come up.



I know I'll get backlash for saying it's always selfish because people will say, "What about rape victims?" It's not the baby's fault the father committed a crime, and being a rape victim myself I can tell you with absolute certainty that I would not have had an abortion if a pregnancy resulted from that rape.



I've never spoken to someone that was happy or relieved they had an abortion, unless they were selfish cold hearted whores, I've spoken to many who regret it.



Quoting bluespagan:



reading the news this morning and still seeing articles on states trying to defund Planned Parenthood and trying to find ways to stop abortions from occuring. 



The thing that bothers me the most about these articles is I don't understand how abortions affect these people.  If I were to get pregnant tomorrow I would be setting up an appointment to get an abortion.  No questions asked.  I am on birth control to help ensure I do not get pregnant so that would mean my birth control failed and right now I absolutely cannot add a baby to the equation.  But how does that affect anyone other than my husband (who be supportive of my decision) and I?  If you are Pro-Life why is it that you would want to force something onto me that could potentially put us in such a bad place that it would be detrimental to my family?  Why is it that the Government (namely the GOP) feels the need to tell me that I don't have a right to make decisions that are best for my family and my life?  How does what I do with my family, my body and my life affect this nation as a whole or you as an individual?



And before we begin with the obvious statements I would like to give you a few MYTHS of abortion.



MYTH: Women are using abortion as a method of birth control.



In fact, half of all women getting abortions report that contraception was used during the month they became pregnant. Some of these couples had used the method improperly; some had forgotten or neglected to use it on the particular occasion they conceived; and some had used a contraceptive that failed. No contraceptive method prevents pregnancy 100% of the time.



If abortion were used as a primary method of birth control, a typical woman would have at least two or three pregnancies per year - 30 or more during her lifetime. In fact, most women who have abortions have had no previous abortions (52%) or only one previous abortion (26%). Considering that most women are fertile for over 30 years, and that birth control is not perfect, the likelihood of having one or two unintended pregnancies is very high.



MYTH: Women have abortions for selfish or frivolous reasons.



The decision to have an abortion is rarely simple. Most women base their decision on several factors, the most common being lack of money and/or unreadiness to start or expand their families due to existing responsibilities. Many feel that the most responsible course of action is to wait until their situation is more suited to childrearing; 66% plan to have children when they are older, financially able to provide necessities for them, and/or in a supportive relationship with a partner so their children will have two parents. Others wanted to get pregnant but developed serious medical problems, learned that the fetus had severe abnormalities, or experienced some other personal crisis. About 13,000 women each year have abortions because they have become pregnant as a result of rape or incest.



MYTH: Women are often forced into having abortions they do not really want.



Some women say that pressure from a husband, partner, or parent was one of several reasons they chose abortion, but only about 1% give that reason as the "most important" one in making their decision. Conversely, some women who do not want to continue their pregnancies are pressured to do so by family members, friends, or fear of social stigma. Pre-abortion options counseling is designed to determine whether a woman is fully comfortable with her abortion decision, and if she is not, she is encouraged to wait until she has had a chance to consider her options more fully.



MYTH: Many women come to regret their abortions later. bull shit.



Research indicates that relief is the most common emotional response following abortion, and that psychological distress appears to be greatest before, rather than after, an abortion.



There are undoubtedly some women who, in hindsight, wish that they had made different choices, and the majority would prefer never to have become pregnant when the circumstances were not right for them. When a wanted pregnancy is ended (for medical reasons, for example) women may experience a sense of loss and grief. As with any major change or decision involving loss, a crisis later in life sometimes leads to a temporary resurfacing of sad feelings surrounding the abortion. Women at risk for poor post-abortion adjustment are those who do not get the support they need, or whose abortion decisions are actively opposed by people who are important to them.






http://www.prochoice.org/about_abortion/facts/women_who.html



http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/ss5109a1.htm



http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_induced_abortion.html






ETA:  I have noticed that the topic of murdering someone who is already living has come up.



The topic is on why it is ok to force your moral view of when life begins and personhood rights onto people who do not agree with that view point.  I think it is safe to say that a person who has been born has life and has person hood so that point is moot.



Furthermore, I have posted on Page 2 a link to the Theological, Philisophical and Scientific Arguements for when life begins.  Here is the link http://www.sinauer.com/pdf/BioethicsCh02.pdf






What bullcrap. If you had a child as a result of rape, you'd never look your child in the face with absolute love, you'd look at your child with hidden resentment as your child was not your choice. .



 Seriously, what would you tell your child when he/she asked about daddy? That his/her daddy is a man who raped you? If you don't tell your child the truth about his/ her daddy, you'd be a liar & a hypocrite. If you do tell your child the truth, he/ she will go through life with the knowledge he/ she was a result of rape, that he/ she was not a planned/wanted child.  If you can do that to any child, you're a monster.



Dear god, people like you are the plague of the earth. 




I repeat. What would the "many woman" you profess to having a child from a rapist on this forum, tell their child when they ask who their daddy is? Lie or tell the truth? Whatever they choose, the child will suffer in the end. Suffer when the child finds out he/she was lied to, or suffer when the child finds out his/her father is a rapist.


Think about the child a few years down the line. Teen asks teen, who's your dad? Teen either has to lie about the dad, or tell the truth, that his/her dad is a man who raped his/her mom.


Putting a child through that is selfish & cruel. Forget the loving mother bit,  only a monster would do such a tthing to a child.






















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alyssaravensmom
by Platinum Member on May. 6, 2012 at 10:08 AM
Everyone is different :). I do feel it's wrong to say every raped women couldn't love their child, just like I think it's wrong to say every girl who was raped would love the child. I won't judge you for it.


Quoting mommasbabies77:

I don't agree. I wanted to carry my child conceived of rape. My father forced(physically tortured me) into abortion. I think it was the best thing hee could have done for me.



Quoting alyssaravensmom:

I am deeply sorry. I couldn't imagine the things that you've had to go through. I do see it as a different situation, since your mother had wanted to abort, then the mothers who didn't want to abort. I am happy you are here though. I wish your life had gone better. I truly do wish you had never been abused, and the your mother would have either protected you, or gave you up to someday that would have loved you unconditionally. I really hope that as an adult, you can be able to love the life you have now. My heart does go out to you.



Quoting mommasbabies77:

I appreciate that. My only point was some of these women act as if all children conceived in rape are happy their mother didn't abort. But there are those of us that would have NEVER chosen to live the way we had to. I was raped by my father (my mother's rapist) by the time I was 4, subjected to torment most couldn't handle hearing about, and forced to abort his baby at 16 years old. My mother? She walked away from me, my sister, and her violent rapist when I was not quite 2. And what? I'm supposed to be thankful that she didn't "kill" me as a fetus? No thanks..I have loads of other things to be thankful for besides that pathetic coward who couldn't even follow through with the one thing that would have spared so much pain.





Quoting alyssaravensmom:

I am very very sorry. I am glad that you were able to have a life and hopefully accomplish things you wanted to.










Quoting mommasbabies77:

I am the product of rape. My mother tried to abort. She was too far along. There's not a day that has gone by that I don't wish she had succeeded.









Quoting alyssaravensmom:

You don't know that child would suffer. Maybe ask them women who have raised kids from rape. Do you think they invest their whole life in the rape of their mother? I highly doubt that. So is it selfish for insemination? Those children will probably never know their father. What about girls who have children with abusive men? What about one night stands resulting in pregnancy? Those aren't ideal situations either. If a women keeps a child from rape, then she must have a truly big heart. You can't judge that the child will have a hard life. If you would actually read the post from raped women, their children, and now adult kids have had good life's. I get the fact that you are for abortion and would abort in the case of rape. But why pretty much say all raped women should get abortion. To me, that seems ridiculous. I view abortion as selfish, so we have different views. To each their own.






Quoting Jaybo:



Quoting alyssaravensmom:

There are many girls on here who were raped and had the baby. They are glad they kept the baby and they love them to death. Sooo.



Quoting Jaybo:





Quoting Anonymous:



If you don't want a baby, keep your legs closed. Abortion is murder and it's always a selfish reason, the highlighted text clearly shows that because of how many times the words I and my come up.



I know I'll get backlash for saying it's always selfish because people will say, "What about rape victims?" It's not the baby's fault the father committed a crime, and being a rape victim myself I can tell you with absolute certainty that I would not have had an abortion if a pregnancy resulted from that rape.



I've never spoken to someone that was happy or relieved they had an abortion, unless they were selfish cold hearted whores, I've spoken to many who regret it.



Quoting bluespagan:



reading the news this morning and still seeing articles on states trying to defund Planned Parenthood and trying to find ways to stop abortions from occuring. 



The thing that bothers me the most about these articles is I don't understand how abortions affect these people.  If I were to get pregnant tomorrow I would be setting up an appointment to get an abortion.  No questions asked.  I am on birth control to help ensure I do not get pregnant so that would mean my birth control failed and right now I absolutely cannot add a baby to the equation.  But how does that affect anyone other than my husband (who be supportive of my decision) and I?  If you are Pro-Life why is it that you would want to force something onto me that could potentially put us in such a bad place that it would be detrimental to my family?  Why is it that the Government (namely the GOP) feels the need to tell me that I don't have a right to make decisions that are best for my family and my life?  How does what I do with my family, my body and my life affect this nation as a whole or you as an individual?



And before we begin with the obvious statements I would like to give you a few MYTHS of abortion.



MYTH: Women are using abortion as a method of birth control.



In fact, half of all women getting abortions report that contraception was used during the month they became pregnant. Some of these couples had used the method improperly; some had forgotten or neglected to use it on the particular occasion they conceived; and some had used a contraceptive that failed. No contraceptive method prevents pregnancy 100% of the time.



If abortion were used as a primary method of birth control, a typical woman would have at least two or three pregnancies per year - 30 or more during her lifetime. In fact, most women who have abortions have had no previous abortions (52%) or only one previous abortion (26%). Considering that most women are fertile for over 30 years, and that birth control is not perfect, the likelihood of having one or two unintended pregnancies is very high.



MYTH: Women have abortions for selfish or frivolous reasons.



The decision to have an abortion is rarely simple. Most women base their decision on several factors, the most common being lack of money and/or unreadiness to start or expand their families due to existing responsibilities. Many feel that the most responsible course of action is to wait until their situation is more suited to childrearing; 66% plan to have children when they are older, financially able to provide necessities for them, and/or in a supportive relationship with a partner so their children will have two parents. Others wanted to get pregnant but developed serious medical problems, learned that the fetus had severe abnormalities, or experienced some other personal crisis. About 13,000 women each year have abortions because they have become pregnant as a result of rape or incest.



MYTH: Women are often forced into having abortions they do not really want.



Some women say that pressure from a husband, partner, or parent was one of several reasons they chose abortion, but only about 1% give that reason as the "most important" one in making their decision. Conversely, some women who do not want to continue their pregnancies are pressured to do so by family members, friends, or fear of social stigma. Pre-abortion options counseling is designed to determine whether a woman is fully comfortable with her abortion decision, and if she is not, she is encouraged to wait until she has had a chance to consider her options more fully.



MYTH: Many women come to regret their abortions later. bull shit.



Research indicates that relief is the most common emotional response following abortion, and that psychological distress appears to be greatest before, rather than after, an abortion.



There are undoubtedly some women who, in hindsight, wish that they had made different choices, and the majority would prefer never to have become pregnant when the circumstances were not right for them. When a wanted pregnancy is ended (for medical reasons, for example) women may experience a sense of loss and grief. As with any major change or decision involving loss, a crisis later in life sometimes leads to a temporary resurfacing of sad feelings surrounding the abortion. Women at risk for poor post-abortion adjustment are those who do not get the support they need, or whose abortion decisions are actively opposed by people who are important to them.






http://www.prochoice.org/about_abortion/facts/women_who.html



http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/ss5109a1.htm



http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_induced_abortion.html






ETA:  I have noticed that the topic of murdering someone who is already living has come up.



The topic is on why it is ok to force your moral view of when life begins and personhood rights onto people who do not agree with that view point.  I think it is safe to say that a person who has been born has life and has person hood so that point is moot.



Furthermore, I have posted on Page 2 a link to the Theological, Philisophical and Scientific Arguements for when life begins.  Here is the link http://www.sinauer.com/pdf/BioethicsCh02.pdf






What bullcrap. If you had a child as a result of rape, you'd never look your child in the face with absolute love, you'd look at your child with hidden resentment as your child was not your choice. .



 Seriously, what would you tell your child when he/she asked about daddy? That his/her daddy is a man who raped you? If you don't tell your child the truth about his/ her daddy, you'd be a liar & a hypocrite. If you do tell your child the truth, he/ she will go through life with the knowledge he/ she was a result of rape, that he/ she was not a planned/wanted child.  If you can do that to any child, you're a monster.



Dear god, people like you are the plague of the earth. 




I repeat. What would the "many woman" you profess to having a child from a rapist on this forum, tell their child when they ask who their daddy is? Lie or tell the truth? Whatever they choose, the child will suffer in the end. Suffer when the child finds out he/she was lied to, or suffer when the child finds out his/her father is a rapist.


Think about the child a few years down the line. Teen asks teen, who's your dad? Teen either has to lie about the dad, or tell the truth, that his/her dad is a man who raped his/her mom.


Putting a child through that is selfish & cruel. Forget the loving mother bit,  only a monster would do such a tthing to a child.

























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rinaann
by on May. 6, 2012 at 10:25 AM

wait so your opinion is more important than others and what you think should be how everyone thinks? that makes sense *rolls eyes*

everyone has their own opinion, that statement is true. what you think is true may not be true for me

Quoting abifasc:

The "what's true for you may not be true for me" is the weakest argument ever. Abortion is killing a baby. Just because it's legal murder does not make it right.


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