Join the Meeting Place for Moms!
Talk to other moms, share advice, and have fun!

(minimum 6 characters)

Mom Confessions Mom Confessions

I guess I just don't understand this.

This post refers in no way to those that have to have emergency c-sections, or c-sections for the health of mother/baby or mothers who could not give birth naturally due to physical limitations.

This pertains to woman who utterly refuse to do it the natural way. I nearly said normal, except c-sections are the new normal. I was reading about women who had c-sections on another site, and the ones who refused to go through labour were very, how should I put it, strange.

There reasoning was no pain from contractions and less stress because with a c-section you know when baby is coming, whereas with natural labour you don't know how long it will take.

Now forgive me if I seem close minded, but pain is going to come whether you have a c-section or not! There is also always a possibility of complications during major surgery. 

So help me understand WHY woman feel the need to resort to intrusive surgery rather than going the way our bodies intended?

by on May. 24, 2012 at 2:41 AM
Replies (71-80):
LCLMBSC
by on May. 24, 2012 at 3:26 AM

Conversation over...Goodnight!

Quoting justone_jen:

Me too. 

Quoting JadedFaerie:

It actually was pretty good at my hospital (had to have hospital birth because of DDs kidney problems). except when I was ready to start pushing, a random midwife came in and pushed my leg into my hip; I couldn't walk without a limp for a week! I want a homebirth next time.

Quoting justone_jen:

Ouch! Yeah, mine just wouldn't come out until she turned. She was also two weeks late, which caused a ridiculous amount of stress because my doctor kept pushing for induction and I kept refusing. I don't think I'll ever have a baby in a hospital again. They're wayyyyyyy to pushy about interventions.

Quoting JadedFaerie:


Quoting justone_jen:

And, I was in labor for 57 hours (baby was posterior, my body was trying to flip her). I'd still pick that over a section. Surgery just scares me.

I had posterior as well. She turned WHEN she was crowning, which made me tear.





Gracie-May
by Silver Member on May. 24, 2012 at 3:28 AM
2 moms liked this
I know its not quite the same, but my friend went into labour at (I think) 30 weeks, but they already knew her son was dead. They wanted to do a c-section so it was over quickly for her and she refused, she said if she didn't give birth to him and feel the pain she'd feel like she was still pregnant.

I don't want a c-section with this baby unless it becomes an emergency obviously. Women never had c-sections back when it was "normal" to have 6+ kids. We're lucky these days that there's gas + air, epis, and other methods of pain relief. My opinion? If you got pregnant you know baby has to come out your vagina, you know it will hurt - I feel a planned c-section for no medical reason is the coward's way out - JMO.
Posted on CafeMom Mobile
JadedFaerie
by on May. 24, 2012 at 3:32 AM


Quoting Anonymous:


Quoting JadedFaerie:


Quoting Anonymous:


Quoting JadedFaerie:


Quoting Anonymous:

I had a section bc the beast was breech! I even had an external version (fucking OUCH!!!!) and she turned back around, head in my ribs, hips/legs in my pelvis. My doc wouldn't let me deliver vaginally with her position so I had a scheduled section. I was so bummed.

Aww I'm sorry that happened! Yeah you don't want to deliver legs down, would break their legs.

I don't see how that can happen? I mean I was breech and my legs aren't broken. It has nothing to do with their legs when a baby is breech. it's more along the lines of the cord being compressed. My sister gave nirth to a breech baby, they reached up and manually turned the baby while she was in labor so she wasn't breech. 

Breech babies that are deliver vaginally are usually bum down, if it is legs down, it's legs will breaj.

I have never heard of that happening! There is a hospital near me that delivers babies breech all the time. Not once have I heard of it. It's the cord.  Could you link me to the site? I'd like to read up on it :)

Definitely. I'll see if I can find a few for you. 

This is bum breech:


Quote:

 Frank breech is the most common type, especially for women having their first baby. It is also referred to as an extended breech. The baby's bottom sits over the woman's cervix, their hips are flexed (or bent) and their legs are extended (or straight). This means the baby's feet are usually placed on either side of their head, near their ears. 


A frank breech is regarded as the most favourable type of breech for a vaginal birth, because the baby's bottom sits snugly on the woman's cervix and is about the same width and consistency as their head. This makes the baby's bottom an efficient dilator of the woman's cervix during labour. Babies in this position are also considered more feasible for being turned by the caregiver into a head down position, called an external cephalic version

Frank breech babies also have less chance of their cord slipping down into their mother's vagina, in front of the baby if the waters break before or during labour known as a cord prolapse. The incidence is about 0.5%, similar to babies in a head down position. 

And then Complete Breach:


Quote:

A complete breech is the second most common type of breech position, also referred to as a flexed breech. Women having their second or subsequent baby will more likely have a breech baby in this position.Both the baby's hips and the knees are flexed (or bent), meaning that they sit with their legs crossed, therefore both their feet and buttocks sit close to the woman's cervix. A complete breech position is considered acceptable for a vaginal birth, if the woman chooses this option. Babies in a complete breech position have the most favourable chance of being turned into a head down position with an ECV. There is a slightly higher chance of cord prolapse with this type of breech (about 5 to 10% incidence, compared to 0.5% with a frank breech). 

And footling breach: This is the one I was talking about.


Quote:

Footling breech or kneeling breech (incomplete breech) are the least common types of breech positions. The baby's foot (or feet) sit over the woman's cervix, leading the way or the baby is in a kneeling position (very rare) with their knees coming first. These types of breech positions are considered the most precarious, because of the higher chance of cord prolapse if the waters break (an incidence of about 8 to 20%). Babies in these positions are generally always recommended to be born by caesarean.
Taken from  http://www.birth.com.au/Breech-baby/Types-of-breech-positions?p=2 page 1 and 2.

wolfybaby
by Silver Member on May. 24, 2012 at 3:32 AM
1 mom liked this

during pregnancy, i was constantly terrified of labor. at one point i was secretly hoping id have to get a c-section so i didnt have to go through the labor pains. so i can empathize with those women electing c-sections. they are scared of pain, probably hear horror stories of stuck babies and 48 hour labors that end up with c-sections anyway, so they figure theyll skip it! what they probably dont understand is that a c-section is a MAJOR surgery that can have serious complications. and it can intefere with mother-baby bonding and breastfeeding. and the recuperation is generally longer, or at least more pain meds are needed.

so im glad i toughened up and became adamant about a vaginal birth. turns out, i had a 5 hour labor with no pitocen or an epidural. and i didnt need any pain meds afterwards.


the moral of the story is, "youll never know if you dont try!" these ladies electing dangerous, bond- and breastfeeding-compromising surgeries could have had the quickest, easiest births if only they had given their bodies a chance! 

jenzachsam
by on May. 24, 2012 at 3:34 AM
1 mom liked this

I'm scheduled for my fourth and final c-section on my birthday.  It's not like I haven't tried for a vbac and I'm definately not too "Posh to Push" either.  I wanted originally a water birth, but I don't dialate at all.  Not even a fingertip.  I would be ok if I could dialate, but never had not with any of my kids.  I also have a boatload of health problems.  A midwife that everyone goes to where I am from, looked at my case and she said she wasn't touching me with a ten foot pole.  Two midwives have turned me down and ob's that are vbac specialists turned me down.  My uterus is not in great shape either, I still have a solid white line at the bottom of my uterus, it would be extremely dangerous if not life threatening if I were to go into labor on my own.  That won't happen anyway lol!  

To the other pp's.  Not only is the first time getting up out of bed a freaking nightmare, but the first poop hurts like a biatch lmao!  I opted for stool softners the last two times!

Anonymous
by Anonymous 6 on May. 24, 2012 at 3:36 AM

I don't see anywhere on that site that talks about the baby breaking their legs because they are breech? The footling breech is very rare tho.

And like the site says they can give birth vaginally to breech babies.

Quoting JadedFaerie:


Quoting Anonymous:


Quoting JadedFaerie:


Quoting Anonymous:


Quoting JadedFaerie:


Quoting Anonymous:

I had a section bc the beast was breech! I even had an external version (fucking OUCH!!!!) and she turned back around, head in my ribs, hips/legs in my pelvis. My doc wouldn't let me deliver vaginally with her position so I had a scheduled section. I was so bummed.

Aww I'm sorry that happened! Yeah you don't want to deliver legs down, would break their legs.

I don't see how that can happen? I mean I was breech and my legs aren't broken. It has nothing to do with their legs when a baby is breech. it's more along the lines of the cord being compressed. My sister gave nirth to a breech baby, they reached up and manually turned the baby while she was in labor so she wasn't breech. 

Breech babies that are deliver vaginally are usually bum down, if it is legs down, it's legs will breaj.

I have never heard of that happening! There is a hospital near me that delivers babies breech all the time. Not once have I heard of it. It's the cord.  Could you link me to the site? I'd like to read up on it :)

Definitely. I'll see if I can find a few for you. 

This is bum breech:


Quote:

 Frank breech is the most common type, especially for women having their first baby. It is also referred to as an extended breech. The baby's bottom sits over the woman's cervix, their hips are flexed (or bent) and their legs are extended (or straight). This means the baby's feet are usually placed on either side of their head, near their ears. 


A frank breech is regarded as the most favourable type of breech for a vaginal birth, because the baby's bottom sits snugly on the woman's cervix and is about the same width and consistency as their head. This makes the baby's bottom an efficient dilator of the woman's cervix during labour. Babies in this position are also considered more feasible for being turned by the caregiver into a head down position, called an external cephalic version

Frank breech babies also have less chance of their cord slipping down into their mother's vagina, in front of the baby if the waters break before or during labour known as a cord prolapse. The incidence is about 0.5%, similar to babies in a head down position. 

And then Complete Breach:


Quote:

A complete breech is the second most common type of breech position, also referred to as a flexed breech. Women having their second or subsequent baby will more likely have a breech baby in this position.Both the baby's hips and the knees are flexed (or bent), meaning that they sit with their legs crossed, therefore both their feet and buttocks sit close to the woman's cervix. A complete breech position is considered acceptable for a vaginal birth, if the woman chooses this option. Babies in a complete breech position have the most favourable chance of being turned into a head down position with an ECV. There is a slightly higher chance of cord prolapse with this type of breech (about 5 to 10% incidence, compared to 0.5% with a frank breech). 

And footling breach: This is the one I was talking about.


Quote:

Footling breech or kneeling breech (incomplete breech) are the least common types of breech positions. The baby's foot (or feet) sit over the woman's cervix, leading the way or the baby is in a kneeling position (very rare) with their knees coming first. These types of breech positions are considered the most precarious, because of the higher chance of cord prolapse if the waters break (an incidence of about 8 to 20%). Babies in these positions are generally always recommended to be born by caesarean.
Taken from  http://www.birth.com.au/Breech-baby/Types-of-breech-positions?p=2 page 1 and 2.


sterling21
by Member on May. 24, 2012 at 3:36 AM
2 moms liked this
I don't think women realize the more "elective" c sections are performed the less skilled doctors and hospitals become. My ob was annoyed that i was still pushing, he just stood there like a spectator, I had a c section and I am positive its because the doctor was an idiot and not knowledgeable on "natural" births. If c section was unavailable to him, he would have had to use his brain and find a position to put me in so I could birth the baby safely. I don't know why anyone would choose to have a c section, its awful, horrid, and humiliating. With technology today no woman should die during child birth, but with the knowledge of the elevated risk of surgery, I find it shocking that c sections are givin away like candy at a baby shower. It's disturbing OP, I agree with you 100%!
NatashaOlivia
by on May. 24, 2012 at 3:50 AM
1 mom liked this
I don't understand why women CHOOSE to have a c-section either. The whole 'package deal' with a pregnancy includes labour and delivery. It's not meant to be easy and painfree - hence its called labour. I delivered both my kids naturally even though DS (2nd child) was in breech position. They wanted me to have an emergency section because he was in breech, but I refused because his heart rate was fine, he showed no signs of stress or discomfort so why should I take what is considered the "easier" option. With DD (1st child) I was in labour for 72 hours!!! But still refused a c-section. Sections sound painful! I had my appendix out and that's a tiny incision in your abdomen, not sliced all the way open. For at least 6 weeks you can't do any heavy lifting or over work yourself - those first 6 weeks with your child are so important.

C-sections should be STRICTLY for medical purposes.
Posted on CafeMom Mobile
Nannosmommy
by on May. 24, 2012 at 3:52 AM
I wanted to have a vaginal birth but was not allowed :/
Posted on CafeMom Mobile
icantshowmyface
by Gold Member on May. 24, 2012 at 3:55 AM
Idk my dr asked if I wanted one. I said no I want to go natural and she looked a me like I had 40 heads... Maybe ppl get pressured by docs??
Posted on CafeMom Mobile
Add your quick reply below:
You must be a member to reply to this post.
Join the Meeting Place for Moms!
Talk to other moms, share advice, and have fun!

(minimum 6 characters)