An abortion question...not a debate...just wondering something
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Ok I know it is a woman's right to get an abortion and no one else gets a say in the matter. BUT....do you think it is wrong to get an abortion and not tell your SO/DH?
I think it would be different if it is a one night stand type of deal. But other than that I think the guy at least has the right to know the decsion you made. I think not telling him is being deceitful
This was never meant to be an aboriton debate as to whether abortion is right or wrong. It was meant exactly as the question stated. Can we please take it back to its intent?
Quoting briansmommy2010:
Are you kidding me? Women have gotten KILLED leaving abusive relationships. Marital rape is REAL. I can't believe I'm seeing a woman talking like this.
Quoting obcierra:
Abortions alone are wrong in MY eyes... Even more so when not telling the father. So many people have said "I can agree if you are in an abusive relationship". Here is an idea; get out of the relationship! I know, I know "easier said than done"... Do you know know what can come from sex? A pregnancy! SHOCKER, EH?
You just assume that I have never been in an abusive relationship and that I don't know how hard they are? Women have been killed from STAYING in an abusive relationship. There are plenty of programs that support women taking that huge step in leaving. "Marital rape" is not real. I am pretty sure that when I said "I DO" that I gave my husband permission to have sex with me. How about get help, leave, DO NOT HAVE SEX, and find some support in leaving the abuser???? So is having sex, getting pregnant and having abortion after abortion really going to help anything??
*facepalm* I was not talking about labor and delivery, I never have been.
What does sex have to do with it either? If a lesbian gets pregnant by a sperm bank, she is getting pregnant by a man too! It is just not that difficult a concept.
Quoting briansmommy2010:LOL. That's really a foolish argument. Just because you can't give birth without getting pregnant, doesn't mean you need help in the birthing process (or in the pregnancy itself). That's like saying "all apples are fruit, so all fruit must be an apple."
Obviously the sperm bank gets the sperm from men, but you aren't HAVING SEX WITH A MAN in order to get pregnant. If your argument were true, does that mean is a lesbian goes to a sperm bank, and then has the child, that her partner isn't really a mother because they didn't both contribute to the baby?
Quoting harehelper:Can you explain to me how you can give birth without getting pregnant?
Where does the anonymous sperm bank get the sperm, do you think? Oh yeah.... From men. Dang! You STILL aren't getting pregnant without the help of a man! Where does knowing who the man is having anything to do with the subject? You can get drunk and go sleep with some guy and not even remember what he looked like the next morning, and still be pregnant by him.
Quoting briansmommy2010:Getting pregnant and giving birth are two very different things. You can most certainly give birth without the help of ANYBODY.
And if you really wanna go down this road-what about anonymous sperm banks? You don't know who the specific man that donated the sperm was, so therefore you are getting pregnant without the help of a man.
Quoting harehelper:You are kidding, right? You can't give birth without the help of a man because you can't get pregnant without the help of a man.
Quoting briansmommy2010:If you mean the men who hold your hand through labor, and hold your legs while you're pushing, I don't really count that as "helping giving birth." I could have easily pushed out a baby without the help of a man.
Quoting harehelper:The father has everything to do with the birth, how many children have you given birth to without the help of a man?
I'm sorry, but the minute a woman decides to have sex, she takes on the responsibility that her actions and the actions of the man she is with may be creating a separate and new life. If she cannot handle the possible consequences of her actions like any adult should (and no, abortion is not handling it) then she should have made a different decision about being sexually active.
Quoting L1558:Sorry but I agree with her there.
As long as a child is within the mother's body, a man should have no rights to it. By giving him rights you are reducing her autonomy over her own body, since it includes her uterus and anything growing within it.
Once you grant fathers rights to unborn children, you end up compromising the mothers' rights to her own body and procreation. Because she has to go through birth, that has its own set of risks and bodily changes. As the father has nothing to do with the birth and may make decisions that he will not have to physically live with or suffer from, I agree he should not have rights until the baby is outside of the mother's body.
Quoting harehelper:Yes, that makes total sense since the man has no choice in that matter.
Quoting Ayla-bellesmom:The fathers rights begin when a child is born.
Anything prior to that, involves the health and wellness of the woman directly, and since we are ALL given the right to make medical decisions for ourselves, with full autonomy, it's none of his business.
The "father" can have rights before birth, when fathers start GIVING birth.
Quoting Mel0dy:I think not giving him a choice is deceitful.... One night stand or not, a women knows when she has sex she has the chance of getting pregnant so it "being her body" don't mean shit to me. why kill a child if you have one parent who wants to raise it???? Where is the Fathers rights? Oh wait I forgot it's all about the womens rights and we forget the father should have rights aswell
Why, do you think you are not a real mother? Because I never said that, you did. Of course the doctor wouldn't advise an abortion unless he was sure ( I hope!) but like I said, that is where the whole mistake thing comes in. Doctors are human too, and again, like I already said, sometimes life just doesn't turn out the way the test results say it will.
Quoting briansmommy2010:So a woman isn't a "real" mother because she chooses to NOT take the risk? Yes, doctors can be wrong, but most doctors will not advise an abortion for medical reason unless they truly believe the mother, or child, or BOTH have little chance of survival.
I would NEVER risk my life for an unborn baby. My son is special needs, and he needs his mother ALIVE more than he needs a sibling. Plus, I could never put that financial and emotional burden on my DF, plus adding another child to the mix. That does not make me less of a mother than you. It just means that I have the ability to think about life AFTER it exists the womb (something you clearly lack).
Quoting harehelper:Would my choice be the right one for all familes? Well, that is a pretty deep question now isn't it? You are right about one thing, I can only go by what my morals telll me, and that is that I would never kill a child to save my own life.
BTW, just because a doctor says that carrying a baby to term may kill you, doesn't mean it will. Hey, even if they tell you it is certain, doesn't make it so. Doctors make mistakes too, and sometimes things just don't work the way the test results say they will.
Quoting briansmommy2010:Of course it's your choice. I think it's a foolish choice, but it isn't my choice to make.
What's WRONG is you assuming that your choice is right for all families. My sister almost lost her life when she delivered her second. She knew after that that she could not have anymore children without most likely losing her life. She had her tubes tied, but knew if that failed, she would have an abortion. Her 2 existing children were too important to her to risk bringing a third into the world, without a mother, and putting a HUGE burden on her husband.
Quoting harehelper:But I thought that was my RIGHT as a woman? To have control over my own body?? Oh, unless it hurts someone else, like an innocent child. Or an unborn one. Or, if we want to be so daring as to go back to the subject of the OP, the father of the child.
Quoting briansmommy2010:Are you aware that tubals and vasectomies have a failure rate?
And good for you, that you would leave your children without a mother. I'm sure they would much rather have another sibling than their mother.
Quoting harehelper:
Quoting Rooobeee:
Quoting Anonymous:
Quoting alwayskk:I have a hard time condeming a woman who is having an abortion and hiding it from her abusive husband.
I think each situation is unique. In some situations, yes, I might find them 'wrong', but you can't judge from the outside looking in- you have no idea what you're looking at.
I agree hiding it from an abusive husband is different. And I am not condemning anyone that I know. I have just seen it said a lot that someone had an abortion and hid it from their spouse. It just seems sad to me.
Abortion is not a choice I could make....but if I did...I would want the support of my husband. I wouldn't want to have to keep it a secret.
I also agree that each situation is different. At one point, I was like you in saying that abortion would ever be a choice for me to make. However, I had a health issue that made me rethink that decision. As a mother of 3, I never thought that I could abort a baby, until my doctor told me that with my health history, a 4th baby could be a life or death situation for me and or baby. At that point, I decided that my children needed a mother more than they needed a new sibling. I did talk it over with DH, and he gave me his full support if the issue were ever necessary. And his decision wasn't easy since his girlfriend before me had aborted his child and he never forgave her for it. I am glad that I never had to make that decision, but I am glad that I have the full support of DH if I ever did.
If your life would be at risk if you got pregnant again, why not get your tubes tied, or get him a vasectomy, or even both? I would not abort even if my life were in danger, what life would I ever be able to have again knowing I had killed an innocent child to save it? I would however be extremely careful to make sure I never got pregnant again.
Marital rape isn't real? Just because you say "I do" doesn't mean you're agreeing to have sex whenever and wherever he wants. I've been in a committed relationship for 4 years, and if I'm not in the mood, I'm not in the mood. If I distinctly tell him "no, not tonight" and he penetrates me anyways, it is rape. Married or committed or not. I think it's very sad that a woman could feel this way. Your husband does not own you and your body. You are still allowed to say no to sex and not have it forced on you.
Just because you were able to leave an abusive relationship does not mean it is always the case. There are still parts of this country (I know, SHOCKER) that don't have resources available for battered women, because they have the same backwards mindset that you have. There are women who have NO family support nearby, nowhere to turn, and they know if they leave, their husband will find and KILL them. Also, that doesn't change the fact that the abusive ex can go after full custody of any children they already had together. If a woman is living in a shelter, or in her car, without a job, and nowhere to turn, it will be hard for her to get custody.
Quoting obcierra:
Quoting briansmommy2010:
Are you kidding me? Women have gotten KILLED leaving abusive relationships. Marital rape is REAL. I can't believe I'm seeing a woman talking like this.
Quoting obcierra:
Abortions alone are wrong in MY eyes... Even more so when not telling the father. So many people have said "I can agree if you are in an abusive relationship". Here is an idea; get out of the relationship! I know, I know "easier said than done"... Do you know know what can come from sex? A pregnancy! SHOCKER, EH?You just assume that I have never been in an abusive relationship and that I don't know how hard they are? Women have been killed from STAYING in an abusive relationship. There are plenty of programs that support women taking that huge step in leaving. "Marital rape" is not real. I am pretty sure that when I said "I DO" that I gave my husband permission to have sex with me. How about get help, leave, DO NOT HAVE SEX, and find some support in leaving the abuser???? So is having sex, getting pregnant and having abortion after abortion really going to help anything??
You said "giving birth" which implies labor an delivery. So *facepalm* right back at ya hun.
Quoting harehelper:*facepalm* I was not talking about labor and delivery, I never have been.
What does sex have to do with it either? If a lesbian gets pregnant by a sperm bank, she is getting pregnant by a man too! It is just not that difficult a concept.
Quoting briansmommy2010:LOL. That's really a foolish argument. Just because you can't give birth without getting pregnant, doesn't mean you need help in the birthing process (or in the pregnancy itself). That's like saying "all apples are fruit, so all fruit must be an apple."
Obviously the sperm bank gets the sperm from men, but you aren't HAVING SEX WITH A MAN in order to get pregnant. If your argument were true, does that mean is a lesbian goes to a sperm bank, and then has the child, that her partner isn't really a mother because they didn't both contribute to the baby?
Quoting harehelper:Can you explain to me how you can give birth without getting pregnant?
Where does the anonymous sperm bank get the sperm, do you think? Oh yeah.... From men. Dang! You STILL aren't getting pregnant without the help of a man! Where does knowing who the man is having anything to do with the subject? You can get drunk and go sleep with some guy and not even remember what he looked like the next morning, and still be pregnant by him.
Quoting briansmommy2010:Getting pregnant and giving birth are two very different things. You can most certainly give birth without the help of ANYBODY.
And if you really wanna go down this road-what about anonymous sperm banks? You don't know who the specific man that donated the sperm was, so therefore you are getting pregnant without the help of a man.
Quoting harehelper:You are kidding, right? You can't give birth without the help of a man because you can't get pregnant without the help of a man.
Quoting briansmommy2010:If you mean the men who hold your hand through labor, and hold your legs while you're pushing, I don't really count that as "helping giving birth." I could have easily pushed out a baby without the help of a man.
Quoting harehelper:The father has everything to do with the birth, how many children have you given birth to without the help of a man?
I'm sorry, but the minute a woman decides to have sex, she takes on the responsibility that her actions and the actions of the man she is with may be creating a separate and new life. If she cannot handle the possible consequences of her actions like any adult should (and no, abortion is not handling it) then she should have made a different decision about being sexually active.
Quoting L1558:Sorry but I agree with her there.
As long as a child is within the mother's body, a man should have no rights to it. By giving him rights you are reducing her autonomy over her own body, since it includes her uterus and anything growing within it.
Once you grant fathers rights to unborn children, you end up compromising the mothers' rights to her own body and procreation. Because she has to go through birth, that has its own set of risks and bodily changes. As the father has nothing to do with the birth and may make decisions that he will not have to physically live with or suffer from, I agree he should not have rights until the baby is outside of the mother's body.
Quoting harehelper:Yes, that makes total sense since the man has no choice in that matter.
Quoting Ayla-bellesmom:The fathers rights begin when a child is born.
Anything prior to that, involves the health and wellness of the woman directly, and since we are ALL given the right to make medical decisions for ourselves, with full autonomy, it's none of his business.
The "father" can have rights before birth, when fathers start GIVING birth.
Quoting Mel0dy:I think not giving him a choice is deceitful.... One night stand or not, a women knows when she has sex she has the chance of getting pregnant so it "being her body" don't mean shit to me. why kill a child if you have one parent who wants to raise it???? Where is the Fathers rights? Oh wait I forgot it's all about the womens rights and we forget the father should have rights aswell
Quoting briansmommy2010:
Marital rape isn't real? Just because you say "I do" doesn't mean you're agreeing to have sex whenever and wherever he wants. I've been in a committed relationship for 4 years, and if I'm not in the mood, I'm not in the mood. If I distinctly tell him "no, not tonight" and he penetrates me anyways, it is rape. Married or committed or not. I think it's very sad that a woman could feel this way. Your husband does not own you and your body. You are still allowed to say no to sex and not have it forced on you.
Just because you were able to leave an abusive relationship does not mean it is always the case. There are still parts of this country (I know, SHOCKER) that don't have resources available for battered women, because they have the same backwards mindset that you have. There are women who have NO family support nearby, nowhere to turn, and they know if they leave, their husband will find and KILL them. Also, that doesn't change the fact that the abusive ex can go after full custody of any children they already had together. If a woman is living in a shelter, or in her car, without a job, and nowhere to turn, it will be hard for her to get custody.
Quoting obcierra:
Quoting briansmommy2010:
Are you kidding me? Women have gotten KILLED leaving abusive relationships. Marital rape is REAL. I can't believe I'm seeing a woman talking like this.
Quoting obcierra:
Abortions alone are wrong in MY eyes... Even more so when not telling the father. So many people have said "I can agree if you are in an abusive relationship". Here is an idea; get out of the relationship! I know, I know "easier said than done"... Do you know know what can come from sex? A pregnancy! SHOCKER, EH?You just assume that I have never been in an abusive relationship and that I don't know how hard they are? Women have been killed from STAYING in an abusive relationship. There are plenty of programs that support women taking that huge step in leaving. "Marital rape" is not real. I am pretty sure that when I said "I DO" that I gave my husband permission to have sex with me. How about get help, leave, DO NOT HAVE SEX, and find some support in leaving the abuser???? So is having sex, getting pregnant and having abortion after abortion really going to help anything??
Then why get married to begin with... I simply stated how I felt about something and just because you don't agrre does not mean that you should try to tell me what kind of a person I am and how I should feel about something... I have offered my help to people who get out of the relationship and then turn right back around and go back. They want and feel like they should be there 80% of the time! IF IT IS THAT BAD THEN GET OUT OF THE RELATIONSHIP. End of story. Now keep your comments to yourself and just excuse yourself from my post.
"I can't fathom why anybody who calls herself a mother wouldn't" were your EXACT words. You might need a quick lesson on how the things you say (type) can IMPLY certain other things.
Again-why should somebody have to take the chance, just because the doctor may be wrong. If my doctor is advising me to get an abortion because my life is in jeopardy, you're damn right I'm gonna get that abortion. I'd rather live with the "what ifs" for the rest of my life, than not live to watch my son grow up.
Quoting harehelper:Why, do you think you are not a real mother? Because I never said that, you did. Of course the doctor wouldn't advise an abortion unless he was sure ( I hope!) but like I said, that is where the whole mistake thing comes in. Doctors are human too, and again, like I already said, sometimes life just doesn't turn out the way the test results say it will.
Quoting briansmommy2010:So a woman isn't a "real" mother because she chooses to NOT take the risk? Yes, doctors can be wrong, but most doctors will not advise an abortion for medical reason unless they truly believe the mother, or child, or BOTH have little chance of survival.
I would NEVER risk my life for an unborn baby. My son is special needs, and he needs his mother ALIVE more than he needs a sibling. Plus, I could never put that financial and emotional burden on my DF, plus adding another child to the mix. That does not make me less of a mother than you. It just means that I have the ability to think about life AFTER it exists the womb (something you clearly lack).
Quoting harehelper:Would my choice be the right one for all familes? Well, that is a pretty deep question now isn't it? You are right about one thing, I can only go by what my morals telll me, and that is that I would never kill a child to save my own life.
BTW, just because a doctor says that carrying a baby to term may kill you, doesn't mean it will. Hey, even if they tell you it is certain, doesn't make it so. Doctors make mistakes too, and sometimes things just don't work the way the test results say they will.
Quoting briansmommy2010:Of course it's your choice. I think it's a foolish choice, but it isn't my choice to make.
What's WRONG is you assuming that your choice is right for all families. My sister almost lost her life when she delivered her second. She knew after that that she could not have anymore children without most likely losing her life. She had her tubes tied, but knew if that failed, she would have an abortion. Her 2 existing children were too important to her to risk bringing a third into the world, without a mother, and putting a HUGE burden on her husband.
Quoting harehelper:But I thought that was my RIGHT as a woman? To have control over my own body?? Oh, unless it hurts someone else, like an innocent child. Or an unborn one. Or, if we want to be so daring as to go back to the subject of the OP, the father of the child.
Quoting briansmommy2010:Are you aware that tubals and vasectomies have a failure rate?
And good for you, that you would leave your children without a mother. I'm sure they would much rather have another sibling than their mother.
Quoting harehelper:
Quoting Rooobeee:
Quoting Anonymous:
Quoting alwayskk:I have a hard time condeming a woman who is having an abortion and hiding it from her abusive husband.
I think each situation is unique. In some situations, yes, I might find them 'wrong', but you can't judge from the outside looking in- you have no idea what you're looking at.
I agree hiding it from an abusive husband is different. And I am not condemning anyone that I know. I have just seen it said a lot that someone had an abortion and hid it from their spouse. It just seems sad to me.
Abortion is not a choice I could make....but if I did...I would want the support of my husband. I wouldn't want to have to keep it a secret.
I also agree that each situation is different. At one point, I was like you in saying that abortion would ever be a choice for me to make. However, I had a health issue that made me rethink that decision. As a mother of 3, I never thought that I could abort a baby, until my doctor told me that with my health history, a 4th baby could be a life or death situation for me and or baby. At that point, I decided that my children needed a mother more than they needed a new sibling. I did talk it over with DH, and he gave me his full support if the issue were ever necessary. And his decision wasn't easy since his girlfriend before me had aborted his child and he never forgave her for it. I am glad that I never had to make that decision, but I am glad that I have the full support of DH if I ever did.
If your life would be at risk if you got pregnant again, why not get your tubes tied, or get him a vasectomy, or even both? I would not abort even if my life were in danger, what life would I ever be able to have again knowing I had killed an innocent child to save it? I would however be extremely careful to make sure I never got pregnant again.
Why get married? Oh, I don't know. Maybe for love, committment, raising a family together, growing old together, supporting each other through the good and the bad, RESPECTING one another (which you can't do if you're expecting to get sex whenever you want it). I could go on and on. There are many reasons to get married even if you don't want to be forced to have sex when you don't want it.
I have never sat through a wedding and had the bride and groom say to one another "I vow to have sex with you whenever, and wherever you want it, whether you are in the mood or not." Does your husband HAVE TO give it up to you, even if he's not in the mood? Or would you RESPECT that he's just not into it?
Sorry if you feel as though your husband owns you and your body. It must be a terribly sad life to live.
Quoting obcierra:
Quoting briansmommy2010:
Marital rape isn't real? Just because you say "I do" doesn't mean you're agreeing to have sex whenever and wherever he wants. I've been in a committed relationship for 4 years, and if I'm not in the mood, I'm not in the mood. If I distinctly tell him "no, not tonight" and he penetrates me anyways, it is rape. Married or committed or not. I think it's very sad that a woman could feel this way. Your husband does not own you and your body. You are still allowed to say no to sex and not have it forced on you.
Just because you were able to leave an abusive relationship does not mean it is always the case. There are still parts of this country (I know, SHOCKER) that don't have resources available for battered women, because they have the same backwards mindset that you have. There are women who have NO family support nearby, nowhere to turn, and they know if they leave, their husband will find and KILL them. Also, that doesn't change the fact that the abusive ex can go after full custody of any children they already had together. If a woman is living in a shelter, or in her car, without a job, and nowhere to turn, it will be hard for her to get custody.
Quoting obcierra:
Quoting briansmommy2010:
Are you kidding me? Women have gotten KILLED leaving abusive relationships. Marital rape is REAL. I can't believe I'm seeing a woman talking like this.
Quoting obcierra:
Abortions alone are wrong in MY eyes... Even more so when not telling the father. So many people have said "I can agree if you are in an abusive relationship". Here is an idea; get out of the relationship! I know, I know "easier said than done"... Do you know know what can come from sex? A pregnancy! SHOCKER, EH?You just assume that I have never been in an abusive relationship and that I don't know how hard they are? Women have been killed from STAYING in an abusive relationship. There are plenty of programs that support women taking that huge step in leaving. "Marital rape" is not real. I am pretty sure that when I said "I DO" that I gave my husband permission to have sex with me. How about get help, leave, DO NOT HAVE SEX, and find some support in leaving the abuser???? So is having sex, getting pregnant and having abortion after abortion really going to help anything??
Then why get married to begin with... I simply stated how I felt about something and just because you don't agrre does not mean that you should try to tell me what kind of a person I am and how I should feel about something... I have offered my help to people who get out of the relationship and then turn right back around and go back. They want and feel like they should be there 80% of the time! IF IT IS THAT BAD THEN GET OUT OF THE RELATIONSHIP. End of story. Now keep your comments to yourself and just excuse yourself from my post.
I would have thought my first reply to you would have made it plain.
Quoting briansmommy2010:You said "giving birth" which implies labor an delivery. So *facepalm* right back at ya hun.
Quoting harehelper:*facepalm* I was not talking about labor and delivery, I never have been.
What does sex have to do with it either? If a lesbian gets pregnant by a sperm bank, she is getting pregnant by a man too! It is just not that difficult a concept.
Quoting briansmommy2010:LOL. That's really a foolish argument. Just because you can't give birth without getting pregnant, doesn't mean you need help in the birthing process (or in the pregnancy itself). That's like saying "all apples are fruit, so all fruit must be an apple."
Obviously the sperm bank gets the sperm from men, but you aren't HAVING SEX WITH A MAN in order to get pregnant. If your argument were true, does that mean is a lesbian goes to a sperm bank, and then has the child, that her partner isn't really a mother because they didn't both contribute to the baby?
Quoting harehelper:Can you explain to me how you can give birth without getting pregnant?
Where does the anonymous sperm bank get the sperm, do you think? Oh yeah.... From men. Dang! You STILL aren't getting pregnant without the help of a man! Where does knowing who the man is having anything to do with the subject? You can get drunk and go sleep with some guy and not even remember what he looked like the next morning, and still be pregnant by him.
Quoting briansmommy2010:Getting pregnant and giving birth are two very different things. You can most certainly give birth without the help of ANYBODY.
And if you really wanna go down this road-what about anonymous sperm banks? You don't know who the specific man that donated the sperm was, so therefore you are getting pregnant without the help of a man.
Quoting harehelper:You are kidding, right? You can't give birth without the help of a man because you can't get pregnant without the help of a man.
Quoting briansmommy2010:If you mean the men who hold your hand through labor, and hold your legs while you're pushing, I don't really count that as "helping giving birth." I could have easily pushed out a baby without the help of a man.
Quoting harehelper:The father has everything to do with the birth, how many children have you given birth to without the help of a man?
I'm sorry, but the minute a woman decides to have sex, she takes on the responsibility that her actions and the actions of the man she is with may be creating a separate and new life. If she cannot handle the possible consequences of her actions like any adult should (and no, abortion is not handling it) then she should have made a different decision about being sexually active.
Quoting L1558:Sorry but I agree with her there.
As long as a child is within the mother's body, a man should have no rights to it. By giving him rights you are reducing her autonomy over her own body, since it includes her uterus and anything growing within it.
Once you grant fathers rights to unborn children, you end up compromising the mothers' rights to her own body and procreation. Because she has to go through birth, that has its own set of risks and bodily changes. As the father has nothing to do with the birth and may make decisions that he will not have to physically live with or suffer from, I agree he should not have rights until the baby is outside of the mother's body.
Quoting harehelper:Yes, that makes total sense since the man has no choice in that matter.
Quoting Ayla-bellesmom:The fathers rights begin when a child is born.
Anything prior to that, involves the health and wellness of the woman directly, and since we are ALL given the right to make medical decisions for ourselves, with full autonomy, it's none of his business.
The "father" can have rights before birth, when fathers start GIVING birth.
Quoting Mel0dy:I think not giving him a choice is deceitful.... One night stand or not, a women knows when she has sex she has the chance of getting pregnant so it "being her body" don't mean shit to me. why kill a child if you have one parent who wants to raise it???? Where is the Fathers rights? Oh wait I forgot it's all about the womens rights and we forget the father should have rights aswell
At what age should I tell my son dh is not his bio dad?