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I hate the communist classroom

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I'll be homeschooling this year, so this will no longer apply, but I still think it's wrong...

I remember my daughter's Kindergarten year. We bought all brand supplies because, well, we can afford them and they are better quality and last longer so that's what I wanted her to have.

Then I saw what she was actually using and it's not what I purchased!

Second grade, everyone was supposed to bring their school supplies to orientation. We brought ours and were faced with buckets for each type of supply where everything gets dumped in together and is redistributed. Seriously? I opened up DD's crayon box and were Crayola crayons and markers in there? No. Roseart and some non-brand markers.

This irritated the shit out of me because I paid extra for those and she wasn't even the one using them!

I saw that another mom had labeled all her child's supplies at home with permanent marker. Wish I would've thought about that. But it doesn't really do any good because my daughter's 3-prong folder had some other kid's name written on the inside.

by on Jul. 21, 2012 at 8:44 AM
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I_told_you_so
by on Jul. 23, 2012 at 1:15 AM

Not to mention that we EARNED our grades - they were GIVEN to us by teachers.  I had one kid who got a 36 in one marking period.  He didn't do a lick of work - not classwork, not homework.  Nothing.  When I went to turn in grades, they told me nothing under 60 because the kid wouldn't be able to get out of the failing grade.   I ended up having to give him a 60 but I asked to talk to him after school one day and I showed him his actual grade and asked him what his mother would say to his grade, and he said "She'd beat my behind." I said.. "Now, don't you think you should do your work?" he said he'd TRY.  I told him that wasn't good enough and that I'd sent his name to his coach and he was off the football team.  That was the only thing that got his attention.

Quoting Cheryl_M:

OMG. I'm seriously thinking the schooling of the 70s and 80s was WAY better than what goes on now!

We didn't get a prize for participating; we were taught not to be sore winners or sore losers; it didn't matter if your parents couldn't afford the brand name school supplies, you used what they bought; kids were taught to do what they were told, and if they didn't, they got punished; kids weren't rewarded for bad behavior (my son acts out in kindergarten, and they REFUSE to use discipline - they give him stickers for doing what he's supposed to do anyway); parents didn't go to teachers/bosses to demand better grades or a raise/promotion; the list goes on, and on, and on...


Anonymous
by Anonymous 73 on Jul. 23, 2012 at 1:23 AM
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If all you parents screaming over crayons helped out in school or worked with the teacher to curb the behavior of your precious spoiled brat as quickly as you jump on each other, maybe kids could get a decent education.

Anonymous
by Anonymous 14 on Jul. 23, 2012 at 1:31 AM

 While I do believe in God's grace, I also believe that man has many paths he can follow along the way.  I accept the responsibility of my own children and any other children whose parents are truly unable.  What I will not do, is encourage those without conscience.

Quoting Anonymous:

but for the grace of God go you.

Quoting Anonymous:

 Why do you think strangers should provide for kids that their own parents don't give a shit about enough to provide for? 

Why should our children do with less just so deadbeat parents can continue to be deadbeats? 

Perhaps this kid will learn that it sucks being poor and will work harder to make sure he has a better life than his dumb ass parents provided?

Quoting Anonymous:

You're kidding right? You are actually that greedy an selfish?
Whatever.


Quoting Anonymous:

Quoting Anonymous:

So....the parents that refuse to buy the 6 packs of crayons that their kid will use that year, should that kid just have to sit out when the class does a lesson where they need to color?

Yes!

 

 

 

Anonymous
by Anonymous 14 on Jul. 23, 2012 at 1:39 AM

 I actually am happy to make charitable contributions to charitable organizations. 

The public school system is not a charitable organization. 

Quoting Anonymous:

That's obviously not being taught at home.  It amazes me that so many supposedly Christian women are going bananas over the idea of charity.  I thought charity was supposed to be something Christians do cheerfully?  I'm obviously mistaken on that idea.

Quoting studentteach:

 Not because she doesn't wants to keep what was bought for her but because she doesn't have to learn to share. Sharing is a part of the Kindergarten curriculum. All children should learn to share it is integral to a successful community. It is just a shame that the burden of teaching this important life skill is on the shoulder of the school system and not the parents themselves.

Quoting Lizard_Lina:

Teaching her to be a selfish brat because she wants to keep what her mom bought for her? I don't understand how the system of redistribution works. Why not just ask for donations instead of straight handing out somebody else's stuff.


Quoting studentteach:

 Actually most teacher do this with the younger grades. It has nothing to do with communism. When you are purchasing supplies you are saving the teacher from having to purchase them. (are you one of those parents that provides their child with mini tissue packs but refuses to donate a big box for the classroom?)  You are supplying her classroom. Don't be so selfish. She get paid very little to babysit your kid all day. The good thing is that the children can not lose or misplace their things, because they will always be in a designated area. I am sorry but not ever parent can afford to purchase the good stuff, and does crayola really cost that much more than rose-art-No.


I had the same shock and felt a little slighted, as you were, until I began volunteering and completely understood the reasoning behind it. Don't change schools, or home-school you are just teaching your child that it is okay to be a selfish brat.


 

 

 

jediGert
by on Jul. 23, 2012 at 7:13 AM

Then MY guess would be, and this is just a guess, that perhaps unbeknownst to you, your child either lost or broke or loaned out or traded her crayons and the teacher GAVE her the cheap ones because that is what was in her closet at the time.  I'm sure when you called the teacher had no idea what you were talking about and said she gave her crayons from the community pot meaning whatever extra had been brought in OR if you did not call your daughter fibbed to you.  Just a little one, just big enough to get out of trouble that wasn't ENTIRELY a lie, just partially a lie.

Sorry but I just really don't think my kid wouldn't lie to me about stuff.  I'm not that deluded frankly and I think if my kid knew I would pitch a fit to find out within days of school starting I'd already lost my 'good' crayons that she  'spent good money on' I'd probably play dumb when the teacher said I gave her communal crayons and mom took this as they took everyone's and passed them around like five dollar hookers.

Oh and please don't give me some sanctimonious commentary about how your child would never lie to you.  Every child lies to their parents at one point or another.  Some are better than others.  My son who is barely one tries to lie when he gets told no by saying the other parent's name to the one scolding him in the hopes we'll take that as 'but dada' said it was ok... He's not good at it as he'll do it while dada is IN the room but he does still try his best to lie to us.  Lying is actually survival skill for humans and is programmed into us in infancy.  They have done studies on this you know.

Quoting amandae21:

...which is moot because my daughter's stuff wasn't in communal bins. It was in her desk. I think I've said that a couple of times. Everything was in a crayon box (not the one I bought) inside her desk. The supplies she was distributed were not the ones I bought. I can understand the concept of communal supplies, what I still don't understand is why hers was given to someone else.

My child's school wasn't used for adult education at night, of this I am certain.

Quoting jediGert:

I had a classroom as a kid that was used for adult education at night.  I regularly lost pencils and pens, erasers, etc until I stopped leaving my pencil box in my desk.  I was not the only kid this happened to.  When everything is in the communal bins, no one comes to class and finds their things stolen.

Quoting amandae21:

I do know what the rooms are used for before and after school, not that it matters because the stuff was IN HER DESK. Brands weren't listed and if a child has a low self esteem because mommy couldn't buy brands then there are far greater issues gong on.

Quoting fullxbusymom:

If you followed the school list then everything should have been the same!!  You also don't know before and after school hours what those classrooms are used for.  If nothing else it saves time for the children having to locate things as it is usually kept in a caddy with all the supplies at arms length.

Quoting amandae21:

But everything isn't the same, because someone in the class will have the "better" stuff and someone will have the generic stuff, whether it's my child or not. And since my DD's school didn't wear uniforms, I think school supplies are the least of the worries if kids are arguing who is better than the other.

My DD's classroom was used for her class and her class only. Her desk was hers. Had her name on it. So don't assume that because your school is one way, all are. The stuff inside stayed the same. I was at her school pretty often.

So how did redistributing them make the classroom smoother? Sounds to me like more of a hassle than anything.

Quoting fullxbusymom:

This way everything is the same.  Their are no arguments, one child thinking they are better then another, no stealing of others things.  Secondly their are no more old fashioned desks that you store things in persay they are typically tables that they just keep a caddy on top of with all the scissors, crayons, pencils etc.  Thirdly most classrooms are used by multiple kids for other activities not just your childs class.  Far less tears, drama, fighting and loss of learning time. 

Quoting amandae21:

I'm curious to know how this makes the classroom run smoothly. Here's what was in my DD's desk - a crayon box (not the one she picked) containing a box of crayons (not the ones I bought), two glue sticks, scissors, pencils and an eraser. Why does it all get tossed into a bin if it's going to get put back into a crayon box and in her desk? Couldn't I just as easily have put everything I bought in the crayon box I bought her?

I completely understand the solid blue/yellow/red folders and notebooks. It makes sense that everyone have the same things. Easy to say, "Take out your yellow journal" etc. Easy to know what you're looking at. But if everything in the community bucket is getting put back in individual desks, how does piling it all together just to redistribute make things smoother?

Quoting fullxbusymom:

Sorry not how it works, nor should it!! It is all about learning and making that process run as smoothly as possible. As it should be, Don't like following the rules do everyone a favor and don't send your child to school and home school.

Quoting Leobaby2007:

Quoting fullxbusymom:

Yes it has nothing to do with a communist classroom for F*** sakes.  It is simply to make the classroom run more smoothly to have centers where the items are all community property.  Even if your items were marked they simply would have been crossed out and still used as community property. 



Bull. This is the very definition of communism- well more like socialism. The community property rule should only apply if the school provides the supplies, which is how things used to be.

If a parent buys a better brand for their child then those supplies should belong to that child, not the entire classroom.










Look at Them

Cheryl_M
by on Jul. 23, 2012 at 8:07 AM

I know! It's as if they want us to raise a bunch of whiny, unable-to-fight-their-way-out-of-a-wet-paper-bag losers!

I understand there are kids who need help adjusting to school when they are young (such as my son - I think he's overwhelmed by the noise levels and so many kids in one room), but it's beyond ridiculous that kids aren't made to deal with the consequences of their actions. They won't even give my son a time-out in the corner for not behaving. He has a sticker chart with 5 spaces on it, if he does a task he's supposed to do, he gets a sticker, if he fills the chart, he's allowed to pick a coloring page of his choice. He misbehaves all day, then gets a prize anyway because someone stood over him and nagged him into doing his work - WTH is up with that?

Quoting I_told_you_so:

Not to mention that we EARNED our grades - they were GIVEN to us by teachers.  I had one kid who got a 36 in one marking period.  He didn't do a lick of work - not classwork, not homework.  Nothing.  When I went to turn in grades, they told me nothing under 60 because the kid wouldn't be able to get out of the failing grade.   I ended up having to give him a 60 but I asked to talk to him after school one day and I showed him his actual grade and asked him what his mother would say to his grade, and he said "She'd beat my behind." I said.. "Now, don't you think you should do your work?" he said he'd TRY.  I told him that wasn't good enough and that I'd sent his name to his coach and he was off the football team.  That was the only thing that got his attention.

Quoting Cheryl_M:

OMG. I'm seriously thinking the schooling of the 70s and 80s was WAY better than what goes on now!

We didn't get a prize for participating; we were taught not to be sore winners or sore losers; it didn't matter if your parents couldn't afford the brand name school supplies, you used what they bought; kids were taught to do what they were told, and if they didn't, they got punished; kids weren't rewarded for bad behavior (my son acts out in kindergarten, and they REFUSE to use discipline - they give him stickers for doing what he's supposed to do anyway); parents didn't go to teachers/bosses to demand better grades or a raise/promotion; the list goes on, and on, and on...



SlightlyPerfect
by on Jul. 23, 2012 at 8:11 AM
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Crayola! Roseart!?


Quoting mes_deux_amours:

Lol

Oy


slightlyperfect

MForcier
by on Jul. 23, 2012 at 8:13 AM
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If I can make another child happy by supplying an extra pack out two of crayons for the classroom, so be it. I would not be upset by this. I've been on both sides of this issue-not having enough money when I was young to get classroom supplies, and now being able to provide extra for the classroom. I would rather provide extra for those children who's family can't afford it rather than have a child go without. And I wouldn't be upset if I bought Crayola and my son was using a cheaper brand as long as he was having fun and enjoying coloring.
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1plustwinsmommy
by Platinum Member on Jul. 23, 2012 at 9:23 AM
First, that isn't right that they asked for more after you already sent some. I teach. It's not the teachers responsibility to buy supplies, so who will end up buying those extras if parents don't send them? That's right. The teachers that have such high salaries. I keep track of who brought what, then I would send a note only to the parents who hadn't sent in supplies. I don't do communal supplies in my classroom (4thgrade) but its very common in the younger grades.


Quoting heathercm26:

Yes. Yes yes over crayons. Last year i spent 75 dollars on supplies. Plus clothes and back pack. So a week later i get a letter saying supplies are low. Send more. Wtf. I called and they said they took some from every student to give to other students. They wanted 25 dollar worth of more supplies.



No one comes to me in the department store and says...btw, i would like you to pay for a third of my bill as well.



I dont pay for a movie ticket for the couple standing behind me in line at the theatre.



I am responsible for my own purchases. Not everyone elses. I already pay 5200 in taxes to my school district. I have one ss in school. Sice i bouggt my house i have paid in for 4 years of property taxes. Thats 20000 to the school. Plus i support the fund raisers. The school is bleeding me dry. I am selling my house because my american dream is gone. We just cant afford the taxes.

Now you want me to even pay for crayons. Fuck. Where does it end




Quoting 1plustwinsmommy:

Over paper, crayons, and glue? Seriously?






Quoting BrighteyedAsh:

No, there are schools that do it as a mandate because they're trying to make things 'fair' and 'equal'. They're making that call. I will rip my son out of school in a heartbeat if that shit happens and get into te homeschool network until I find a more appropriate and ACTUAL free system.



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CourtneyCS
by Member on Jul. 23, 2012 at 9:38 AM

That would really piss me off as well. My child is not old enough for school yet but glad you mentioned the labeling thing, its a good idea. If I spend money on good quality supplies I dont want some other childs cheap stuff.

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