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White privilege -- if you are white are you aware it exists? If you are not white are you aware it exits?

Are you aware of the reality which has been labeled 'white privilege'?

(it takes 2 seconds to find out what 'white privilege' is (google is our friend) ---- it takes a lot longer to accept it exists --- whether an indiviual accepts it or not does not change the fact it DOES exist).

by on Nov. 23, 2012 at 5:15 PM
Replies (461-470):
Anonymous
by Anonymous on Nov. 25, 2012 at 3:18 PM
I am a privileged Native American and I love it!
Anonymous
by Anonymous on Nov. 25, 2012 at 3:25 PM
Well I'm white.... so I don't care... I don't associate with people who aren't white.
Anonymous
by Anonymous on Nov. 25, 2012 at 3:26 PM
No, but I think "Rich Privilege" exists.
one_on_the_way
by Silver Member on Nov. 25, 2012 at 3:31 PM


Quoting marabie:

http://husky1.stmarys.ca/~evanderveen/wvdv/race_relations/white_privilege.htm

This is a legitmate quiz that is used in racial awareness training.

Thank you!

one_on_the_way
by Silver Member on Nov. 25, 2012 at 3:40 PM


Quoting Anonymous:

You mean the "privilege" of dealing with things like affirmative action and scholarships that help minorities only while hearing the same minorities complain that they have less opportunities then white people? I have a nice home and nice things but that is because I worked hard for them, not because someone handed me stuff because of my color.

http://husky1.stmarys.ca/~evanderveen/wvdv/race_relations/white_privilege.htm


No - not privilege dealing with affirmative action (which is to encourage NO discrimination --- hmmm, wonder why something like that had to be established?) --- and certainly not minority scholarships -- there are scholarships for practically anything (including scholarships for white men!).  

White privilege does not mean people who are white don't have to work hard.  However, we can't forget that in very recent history, minorities (especially black people) weren't given the same opportunities to 'work hard' as white people.  And then there was the civil rights movement --- which has led us to today where we have people like you implying that everything minorities have was 'handed to them'.  Do you think a black person who has a nice house and nice things DIDN'T work hard for them?  

Part of white privilege lies in the fact that people can look at you and your success and safely assume you worked hard for it (not taking into consideration how different your family history is simply because you are white) ---- but people can look at a black person who has the same success and question if they really deserve it or worked hard for it (not taking into consideration how different their family history is simply because they are black).  Simply being born white puts us several 'steps ahead' of those born black because we don't have generations of oppression, discrimination, exploitation in our recent family tree.

one_on_the_way
by Silver Member on Nov. 25, 2012 at 3:50 PM

No one HAS to learn ANY language if they don't want to.  There are places all over the world where employers REQUIRE their employees to speak English --- why?  Because they have a lot of English-speaking customers and they want to meet those needs.  So, if a person living in that country wants to get THAT job, they will learn English.  Same goes for companies and businesses in our country.  If an employer wants to require certain skills, they have that right to do so.  That doesn't mean anyone HAS to learn that language --- they can find a job somewhere else where they meet the minimum qualifications.

Quoting Anonymous:

Really, that's white privilege if we shouldn't have to learn Spanish? Then is it Hispanic privilege when they shouldn't have to learn English to live a area that has a large English speaking population?

Quoting one_on_the_way:

I know that if I lived in an area with a large Spanish-speaking population - and that learning Spanish would increase my human capital - I would learn Spanish.  The simple fact you think that people 'shouldn't have to' learn a different language is an example of white privilege.  Why should you have to go against the 'norm' of speaking English?  That just isn't fair?  (Yet, expecting others to learn English IS fair?  Why?) --- Also, while some companies may have goals to increase their ethnic, cultural and racial diversity in their workforce can be difficult when laws require "no discrimination" (remember, Affirmative Action was created to encourage NO discrimination ---- up until it was enacted, minorities and those from other cultures were discriminated against).  You're right -- while it is illegal to have minority 'quotas' doesn't mean it doesn't happen.  Just like the fact it is illegal to not hire someone simply based on being black, or middle eastern, or native american  - doesn't mean it doesn't happen.



Quoting Anonymous:

Just because its "illegal" doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Of course, most can learn to speak Spanish, but shouldn't have to so we can get a job in San Diego.



Quoting one_on_the_way:




Quoting Anonymous:

I'm white and have had a very hard time finding a job in San Diego. If you don't speak Spanish, the person who does will get the job. If they have to fill their minority spots, they get the job. I've worked with HR 3 times, I know how it works.

White people can't learn to speak Spanish?  I wasn't aware of that.

It is illegal to have 'quotas' to 'fill minority spots'.   



Anonymous
by Anonymous on Nov. 25, 2012 at 5:42 PM
You said that was an example of white privilege if I think people shouldn't have to learn another language. Seems like that would work the same all over the world. If you are Chinese and don't feel you should have to learn English in China, is that China privilege? Do you get it? You want to say I have a white privilege attitude because I don't want to learn Spanish. I could take up Spanish again to open up more job opportunities, but if they still need to meet their quota of minorities, I still won't be the choice. I've been in the situation. I was told by the bosses daughter, a year later, that I was second choice over the less qualified black woman who also applied because they only had one minority in the office. I got the job after she turned it down.

Quoting one_on_the_way:

No one HAS to learn ANY language if they don't want to.  There are places all over the world where employers REQUIRE their employees to speak English --- why?  Because they have a lot of English-speaking customers and they want to meet those needs.  So, if a person living in that country wants to get THAT job, they will learn English.  Same goes for companies and businesses in our country.  If an employer wants to require certain skills, they have that right to do so.  That doesn't mean anyone HAS to learn that language --- they can find a job somewhere else where they meet the minimum qualifications.


Quoting Anonymous:

Really, that's white privilege if we shouldn't have to learn Spanish? Then is it Hispanic privilege when they shouldn't have to learn English to live a area that has a large English speaking population?



Quoting one_on_the_way:

I know that if I lived in an area with a large Spanish-speaking population - and that learning Spanish would increase my human capital - I would learn Spanish.  The simple fact you think that people 'shouldn't have to' learn a different language is an example of white privilege.  Why should you have to go against the 'norm' of speaking English?  That just isn't fair?  (Yet, expecting others to learn English IS fair?  Why?) --- Also, while some companies may have goals to increase their ethnic, cultural and racial diversity in their workforce can be difficult when laws require "no discrimination" (remember, Affirmative Action was created to encourage NO discrimination ---- up until it was enacted, minorities and those from other cultures were discriminated against).  You're right -- while it is illegal to have minority 'quotas' doesn't mean it doesn't happen.  Just like the fact it is illegal to not hire someone simply based on being black, or middle eastern, or native american  - doesn't mean it doesn't happen.




Quoting Anonymous:

Just because its "illegal" doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Of course, most can learn to speak Spanish, but shouldn't have to so we can get a job in San Diego.





Quoting one_on_the_way:





Quoting Anonymous:

I'm white and have had a very hard time finding a job in San Diego. If you don't speak Spanish, the person who does will get the job. If they have to fill their minority spots, they get the job. I've worked with HR 3 times, I know how it works.

White people can't learn to speak Spanish?  I wasn't aware of that.

It is illegal to have 'quotas' to 'fill minority spots'.   



Anonymous
by Anonymous on Nov. 25, 2012 at 5:58 PM
Considering my college professors tell their students not to use wikipedia, I'm going to conclude that they know what they are talking about.

Quoting one_on_the_way:

http://academic.udayton.edu/race/01race/whiteness05.htm

http://www.augustana.edu/x19261.xml

http://www.iub.edu/~tchsotl/part2/McIntosh%20White%20Privilege.pdf  << this one is when the concept was first introduced

http://www.whiteprivilegeconference.com/journal.html

http://www.oregon.gov/DAS/LO/docs/whiteprivilege_peggymcintosh.pdf

http://www.tolerance.org/tdsi/sites/tolerance.org.tdsi/files/assets/general/UIR_onracismandprivilege.pdf

http://www.arc.org/pdf/303pdf.pdf

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/06/university-of-minnesota-and-naacp-sponsor-program-to-undermine-white-privilege-video/


There are just a few of the reputable sources (unless you don't consider well-known universities, colleges, academic journals (peer reviewed) and government websites to be 'reputable' -- in which case I would ask you "what IS reputable to you?")


Quoting Anonymous:

Wikipedia is not a reputable source.



Quoting one_on_the_way:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_privilege

The basics are here on wiki -- it really does take a long time (as a white person, like me) to realize just how present white privilege is in our society.  




Quoting karla85:

I'm not white and I'm not aware. Care to explain?



one_on_the_way
by Silver Member on Nov. 25, 2012 at 7:38 PM

what does wiki have to do with my second reply?  I get that wiki isn't legitimate in many cases....but, in this case it was spot on so I listed it -- this is cm, not a research paper.  But, you asked for reputable sources regarding white privilege -- I listed a tiny sampling of the reputable sources available.  My "peer reviewed academic journal' article search on my University's database brought up over 300 sources.  

Quoting Anonymous:

Considering my college professors tell their students not to use wikipedia, I'm going to conclude that they know what they are talking about.

Quoting one_on_the_way:

http://academic.udayton.edu/race/01race/whiteness05.htm

http://www.augustana.edu/x19261.xml

http://www.iub.edu/~tchsotl/part2/McIntosh%20White%20Privilege.pdf  << this one is when the concept was first introduced

http://www.whiteprivilegeconference.com/journal.html

http://www.oregon.gov/DAS/LO/docs/whiteprivilege_peggymcintosh.pdf

http://www.tolerance.org/tdsi/sites/tolerance.org.tdsi/files/assets/general/UIR_onracismandprivilege.pdf

http://www.arc.org/pdf/303pdf.pdf

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/06/university-of-minnesota-and-naacp-sponsor-program-to-undermine-white-privilege-video/


There are just a few of the reputable sources (unless you don't consider well-known universities, colleges, academic journals (peer reviewed) and government websites to be 'reputable' -- in which case I would ask you "what IS reputable to you?")


Quoting Anonymous:

Wikipedia is not a reputable source.



Quoting one_on_the_way:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_privilege

The basics are here on wiki -- it really does take a long time (as a white person, like me) to realize just how present white privilege is in our society.  




Quoting karla85:

I'm not white and I'm not aware. Care to explain?




one_on_the_way
by Silver Member on Nov. 25, 2012 at 8:12 PM

First - I think we got off track a bit with the language thing -- really language has little to do with white privilege since white people can speak other languages.  The example you gave about a business not hiring someone b/c they don't know a certain language....that is a 'skills' issue - not a 'race' issue.  Second - I'm sure any country you go to will have some privilege regarding being a citizen of the country.  But, we are talking about White Privilege, not America Privilege -- white privilege is something specific to our country (there is some in Southern Africa and also Australia....but that is another topic).  

I understand that there are instances where minorities may get hired above people who are white in an effort to create a more diverse working environment.  I have mixed feelings about that knowing that there are many instances of that today and COUNTLESS instances in American history where it is the exact opposite (white people hired over equally qualified or more qualified minorities.....in fact, THAT is the reason Affirmative Action exists....we have a long history of whites being hired over minorities).  While there may exist some 'inequities' regarding hiring here and there (from both sides) it is hardly enough to negate the presence of white privilege embedded.  In fact -- it is part of it...

Item #35 of Peggy McIntosh's "Unpacking the knapsack"..... I can take a job with an affirmative action employer without having my co-workers on the job suspect that I got it because of my race.

We rarely hear about the time that the black person was hired over the white person because the black person deserved it and was more qualified ----- no, how could THAT be.  They must have been hired because they are black and have things handed to them.  So, while a white person may not have gotten the job and feel they have benefited from no privilege....they do have the privilege of still feeling superior.

Quoting Anonymous:

You said that was an example of white privilege if I think people shouldn't have to learn another language. Seems like that would work the same all over the world. If you are Chinese and don't feel you should have to learn English in China, is that China privilege? Do you get it? You want to say I have a white privilege attitude because I don't want to learn Spanish. I could take up Spanish again to open up more job opportunities, but if they still need to meet their quota of minorities, I still won't be the choice. I've been in the situation. I was told by the bosses daughter, a year later, that I was second choice over the less qualified black woman who also applied because they only had one minority in the office. I got the job after she turned it down.

Quoting one_on_the_way:

No one HAS to learn ANY language if they don't want to.  There are places all over the world where employers REQUIRE their employees to speak English --- why?  Because they have a lot of English-speaking customers and they want to meet those needs.  So, if a person living in that country wants to get THAT job, they will learn English.  Same goes for companies and businesses in our country.  If an employer wants to require certain skills, they have that right to do so.  That doesn't mean anyone HAS to learn that language --- they can find a job somewhere else where they meet the minimum qualifications.




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