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obama rejects republican deal on fiscal cliff

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Says he will not approve any deal without higher taxes on 250k or higher earners. Repubs say they wont raise taxes on anyone.



If this thing is not fixed. Taxes raise. Social security amounts taken out the check raises. And many other things will be effected: headstart,foodstamps. Going over the fiscal cliff has the potential to put us in a horrible recession.



Agreement and compromise. I don't know why this is so hard for them.
Posted by Anonymous on Dec. 5, 2012 at 8:05 AM
Replies (41-50):
msjaxon
by Platinum Member on Dec. 5, 2012 at 9:38 AM
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So because your aunt was a stoner everyone else was too?

Yes all those people fighting for social equality, an end to an unjust and costly war, fair wages for all races and sexes, yup they wasted their time.

You do realize that after all that except for for burnout aunt apparently, those people did indeed go to work. Oh yeah cant forget about the vietnam veterans that returned home strung out or so traumatized they couldn't work, courtesy of the US government, damn those hippies for trying to prevent those men from suffering.

Living on Woodstock? lmao... I can see your aunt told you a lot about about the 60s and 70s.

The crazy and the woefully ignorant definitely came out early.

Fact, lower wages then and cost of livinf now is the reason more is coming out of social security for seniors than what was put in, that will always happen.

Quoting Anonymous:

Because the baby boomers were so productive during the 60's and 70's. Their drugs, burning bras and bumming on society. I know far to many of those flower children, they disgust me. My Aunt has even apologized for her generation. They take more than they ever placed into the society. FACT not crazy, the average senior right now will take more than they placed into SS and medicare. 

Quoting msjaxon:

The crazy came to this post early.



Living on Woodstock? Lmao




Quoting Anonymous:

So what, instead of running out getting a new game or big screen tv you'll have to learn to live within your means. It will just come out of your EIC at the end of the yr. We need this, it is the only way to get our country back, but I guess you'd rather place this burden on the future. As for the bum hippy, anti govt elderly, instead of burning flags, throwing poop at troops and living on woodstock, they should've been contributing to the country in jobs. They will pull more than they ever placed into the system. Retirement age should be extended on them immediately, up to 85 yrs old. They are far from the great generation, they are the worst generation.





Quoting Anonymous:

This wont just affect those on foodstamps.







Your taxes will go up. Almost 100 more a month gone. 100 more a month you're use to.



The elderly who depend on Medicare. Well Medicare will see cuts so that affects them







This effects everyone.









Quoting Anonymous:

People need to stop believing everything they read and learn to stand on their own two feet. The prices changed that much and no one needs 10k + on tax rebates and 1200 in monthly fs, I feed 6 on 300 a month, and live fine off 35k a yr.









Quoting Anonymous:

Well then everything Americans have to buy need to revert back to 90s prices. Economists have said it will put us in a recession.













Quoting Anonymous:

So what, the suggestion of going back to the 1990's spending and taxes across the board won't kill the US. Maybe we will prosper again as we did during the 90's. But so many can't give up their hand outs.





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myperfect4inok
by Gold Member on Dec. 5, 2012 at 9:38 AM
Raise the retirement age to 85?
Are you nuts?
I don't want to retire at 85.
Why don't they stop taking social security and Medicare out of my check and let me plan my own retirement.
We are middle class, yet is 15 years we could retire if we wanted to. Our house will be paid off and we put money away for our retirement. Because we are smart enough to do so. We go without allot of stuff, we don't have the biggest tv out there, we don't have cable. We don't have brand new cars but we have retirement. My dad was telling me when I was in middle school 15+ year ago not to relay on the government where have you all been?
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dilateyourmind
by on Dec. 5, 2012 at 9:41 AM


Quoting Anonymous:

The funny thing : last year Obama wanted exactly what the repubs are putting up. No new taxes. Reduce loopholes and special interest payments.

Now Obama and the dems are like nope. Raise taxes on 250k and higher!

Its gonna come back on them when taxes raise for everyone. Rich, poor, middle class when their bullheadness lets us nose dive.

taxes raised for everyone is not on the table, unless the rethugs don't play, yet again.

Anonymous
by Anonymous 1 - Original Poster on Dec. 5, 2012 at 9:44 AM
No. But Dec 31. They will be raised for everyone if nothing is done.

The funny thing about all this. Last year Obama didn't want new taxes and wanted them to remove loopholes and reduce special interest spending.

The repubs plan yesterday was just that. But now Obama says nope. Taxes on earners 250k or more or no deal.


Quoting dilateyourmind:



Quoting Anonymous:

The funny thing : last year Obama wanted exactly what the repubs are putting up. No new taxes. Reduce loopholes and special interest payments.



Now Obama and the dems are like nope. Raise taxes on 250k and higher!



Its gonna come back on them when taxes raise for everyone. Rich, poor, middle class when their bullheadness lets us nose dive.

taxes raised for everyone is not on the table, unless the rethugs don't play, yet again.


Anonymous
by Anonymous 9 on Dec. 5, 2012 at 9:44 AM

Come on now this isn't Obama's fault, he's all perfect & can do no wrong.

Everything is Bush's fault, everything is the Republicans fault.

Obama is a dumbass & sadly all those that voted for him will see and so will we:(

Anonymous
by Anonymous 10 on Dec. 5, 2012 at 9:45 AM
Wow, someone is bitter.


Quoting mstricey:

Did she just say extended retirement to 85 years of age? Wtf...lol apparently somebody has never stepped foot in a nursing home.

Anonymous
by Anonymous 2 on Dec. 5, 2012 at 9:46 AM
Read again, I never said my aunt was a stoner. But apologized for her lazy generation that will collect more than those bums put into our society.

The only fool is you for believing that generation did anything good for us.

Quoting msjaxon:

So because your aunt was a stoner everyone else was too?

Yes all those people fighting for social equality, an end to an unjust and costly war, fair wages for all races and sexes, yup they wasted their time.

You do realize that after all that except for for burnout aunt apparently, those people did indeed go to work. Oh yeah cant forget about the vietnam veterans that returned home strung out or so traumatized they couldn't work, courtesy of the US government, damn those hippies for trying to prevent those men from suffering.

Living on Woodstock? lmao... I can see your aunt told you a lot about about the 60s and 70s.

The crazy and the woefully ignorant definitely came out early.



Fact, lower wages then and cost of livinf now is the reason more is coming out of social security for seniors than what was put in, that will always happen.



Quoting Anonymous:

Because the baby boomers were so productive during the 60's and 70's. Their drugs, burning bras and bumming on society. I know far to many of those flower children, they disgust me. My Aunt has even apologized for her generation. They take more than they ever placed into the society. FACT not crazy, the average senior right now will take more than they placed into SS and medicare. 

Quoting msjaxon:

The crazy came to this post early.



Living on Woodstock? Lmao




Quoting Anonymous:

So what, instead of running out getting a new game or big screen tv you'll have to learn to live within your means. It will just come out of your EIC at the end of the yr. We need this, it is the only way to get our country back, but I guess you'd rather place this burden on the future. As for the bum hippy, anti govt elderly, instead of burning flags, throwing poop at troops and living on woodstock, they should've been contributing to the country in jobs. They will pull more than they ever placed into the system. Retirement age should be extended on them immediately, up to 85 yrs old. They are far from the great generation, they are the worst generation.





Quoting Anonymous:

This wont just affect those on foodstamps.







Your taxes will go up. Almost 100 more a month gone. 100 more a month you're use to.



The elderly who depend on Medicare. Well Medicare will see cuts so that affects them







This effects everyone.









Quoting Anonymous:

People need to stop believing everything they read and learn to stand on their own two feet. The prices changed that much and no one needs 10k + on tax rebates and 1200 in monthly fs, I feed 6 on 300 a month, and live fine off 35k a yr.









Quoting Anonymous:

Well then everything Americans have to buy need to revert back to 90s prices. Economists have said it will put us in a recession.













Quoting Anonymous:

So what, the suggestion of going back to the 1990's spending and taxes across the board won't kill the US. Maybe we will prosper again as we did during the 90's. But so many can't give up their hand outs.





Anonymous
by Anonymous 1 - Original Poster on Dec. 5, 2012 at 9:47 AM
Lmao I never said I would be bankrupt. I said I budget every penny.so why would I need budgeting classes?? Ya know the smart thing to do. I do. I follow Dave Ramsey.every penny is accounted for.


Quoting Anonymous:

Call your bank, ask to remove all your money, they will tell you there is a hold on it for 5 days. Why? Because it is tied up in stock and they have to get it. you will be able to get some out, but not all. 

And seriously if you as a middle class income can't do without a 100 increase, you need a budgeting class BAD~!

Quoting Anonymous:

Lmao.



Well my bank account says its there. I budget it. So yes its there.



And sorry. I know a lot about this. A lot. I'm not dumb enough to really believe no one will miss out on 100 dollars they budget for. Idk about you but every penny in my house is accounted for. Never said it would bankrupt us but it will make us rearrange shit.





Quoting Anonymous:

It is make believe on paper money. Seriously it is a number placed on your check, do you actually hold the cash before giving it back to the govt no! I know more than you will ever understand, I have gone from being a homeless single mom to where I am today with hard work. Not waiting on someone else to take care of me. Cash and value doesn't matter on paper, it matters when it is IN your hands physically. Even money in the bank doesn't matter until it is in your hands. That was the problem in the Great depression, when the banks collasped so did all that money people had in the banks, why because it was written that they had that money when there was nothing backing it up. So what if an extra $100 will be gone, it wasn't in my hands to begin with so it really didn't exist 

Quoting Anonymous:

Make believe money??



This isn't just a tax time thing



Your monthly paychecks will be affected.



100 gone a month is a huge chunk of change and since I cash that check every week I can assure you that money is very real.







I'm shocked at how little some of you know about this.









Quoting Anonymous:

Apparently I can manage just fine on 35k a year for a family of 6, if you will go bankrupt on an extra 100 a month of make believe money you never see until the end of the year in the first place then you( general ) would need to learn to budget. Of course Congress and the President are using scare tactics, they want to make the other party look bad for 2014 mid term elections. Instead of campaigning and taking Christmas off they should be there working for their 200k year salary to get something passed, and taxing the rich we have done that before and are still in the same problem, OVER SPENDING. If we tax the rich they WILL move overseas, then where is that extra money they are counting on? That is like making 20k a year, expecting a raise from your employeer and doing a huge spending spree. You cut out expenses while hoping for a raise, not SPEND more. 


The rest of my rant is that people are taking more than they ever placed in, that IS the problem. 

Quoting Anonymous:

Do you even understand the fiscal cliff? Most people still rely on that nearly 100 dollars a month. You know rising utility, food and gas prices.

















This will put us back into a recession. even those in Congress and the president admit to how they need to keep us from going over.











Idk about you but idk many people who use 100 of their paychecks to buy TVs.





And the rest of your rant made no sense.and I don't know why you're saying you. I don't get foodstamps or Eic.



























Quoting Anonymous:

So what, instead of running out getting a new game or big screen tv you'll have to learn to live within your means. It will just come out of your EIC at the end of the yr. We need this, it is the only way to get our country back, but I guess you'd rather place this burden on the future. As for the bum hippy, anti govt elderly, instead of burning flags, throwing poop at troops and living on woodstock, they should've been contributing to the country in jobs. They will pull more than they ever placed into the system. Retirement age should be extended on them immediately, up to 85 yrs old. They are far from the great generation, they are the worst generation.











Quoting Anonymous:

This wont just affect those on foodstamps.















Your taxes will go up. Almost 100 more a month gone. 100 more a month you're use to.







The elderly who depend on Medicare. Well Medicare will see cuts so that affects them















This effects everyone.



















Quoting Anonymous:

People need to stop believing everything they read and learn to stand on their own two feet. The prices changed that much and no one needs 10k + on tax rebates and 1200 in monthly fs, I feed 6 on 300 a month, and live fine off 35k a yr.















Quoting Anonymous:

Well then everything Americans have to buy need to revert back to 90s prices. Economists have said it will put us in a recession.























Quoting Anonymous:

So what, the suggestion of going back to the 1990's spending and taxes across the board won't kill the US. Maybe we will prosper again as we did during the 90's. But so many can't give up their hand outs.




























mellymel051982
by on Dec. 5, 2012 at 9:47 AM

I have read a few posts that mention that taxes should go up on the highest earners. I have also read that more industries should come back. Here is the problem with those statements:

The industries that have the ability to get our country back on track are also the industries that are being taxed the highest.

Small businesses (businesses with revenues LESS than $10 MILLION) are taxed at the HIGHEST tax rate for indivduals, that's roughly around 40%. It's hard to justify to a small business owner why they should hire anyone, when financially, it doesn't make sense. The larger corporations already know and understand this. This is why they consistently move over seas. You can't blame the companies for moving, you need to blame the government that has made this country's "tax" environment unfriendly to businesses.

There is good reason why a lot of companies have their headquarters in other countries where the tax environment fosters new businesses and creating jobs.

Bottom line is: the US govt doesnt want you to have a job. They want you dependent upon them, so you have no choice but to do as they say, when they say.

Grumpylilpixy
by on Dec. 5, 2012 at 9:48 AM

OBAMA wants a blank check and it ISN"T going to happen! And the FISCAL CLIFF is more like a FISCAL SLOPE.

Analyzers are saying it will suck at first but it will improve the economy .

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