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So, how many christians in this group believes that the world is only 4,000 years old?

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by on Dec. 7, 2012 at 2:10 AM
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Anonymous
by Anonymous 2 on Dec. 7, 2012 at 2:21 AM

Sarcasm or not? I can't tell. Lol

Quoting Anonymous:

True Christian mentality right here


Quoting Anonymous:

I have no idea what so ever. I don't think about it, honestly. Lol



thetrollcat
by Meow on Dec. 7, 2012 at 2:21 AM

Dude those crazy Baptists of the West whatever church are not christian fur the love of pugs! They are nut cases!

Quoting Anonymous:

They are out there. Lol I have actually met "Christians" who believe dianosaur bones were put in the ground as a trick of satan! Lmao!

Quoting thetrollcat:

Hmm I may need to bump this post in the morning when the live crew is up and awake. I want to see if its true (according to orange anonymous) that christians believe that the world is only 4,000 years old. I do not know of any single christian that actually believes or says that. So now I am curious how many actually believe the earth is only 4,000 years old...

Quoting Anonymous:

Yup.



Quoting thetrollcat:

R U a christian though???

Quoting Anonymous:

Not me. I believe that evolution and creation go hand in hand. God said 1000 years with Him is as a day and a day as a 1000 years. He has no respect for time. He created time for man. And all that jazz.




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I'm not the cat lady type. I'm more like an actual cat. I want affection when I want it and on my own terms. The rest of the time I want to claw out your eyes and piss in your shoes.  

*marking the 599968yth post/reply being mean, evil, horrible, which makes me worse than anonymous*

Sassy762
by CAFE SASSY HBIC on Dec. 7, 2012 at 2:21 AM
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Answer:

Dating in the Bible is a bit difficult because, for the span of time that the Bible covers, a universal calendar was not in use. Time was measured relative to local events, such as how long the current king was in power. This also led to rounding of dates since it would be rare that major events, such as the crowing of a king would take place precisely at the beginning of a calendar year. Therefore, when working backwards, you can be off plus or minus a year times the number of events you had to use to go backwards. For example, if you went back to a point in time using the length of reign of five kings, you can be off plus or minus five years.

Fortunately, the Bible contains several summaries of eras that helps to keep overall periods roughly accurate. For example, we know the length of time the Israelites were in Egypt was 430 years (Exodus 12:40-41). We also know the time from the Exodus to the building of the temple was 480 years (I Kings 6:1).

Using the records given in the Scriptures, scholars have estimated that the world is roughly 6,000 years old.

Now that is not the estimate we are told the scientific community accepts. Currently, popular scientists think the world is 4.5 billion years old, though that age constantly changes. When I was in high school, it was only 3.5 billion years old, a change of a billion years -- and I haven't lived nearly that long!

What many people do not realize is that there are thousands of ways to measure the age of the earth. The ones popularly touted are only those few that give very long answers. The vast majority of measurements give ages in the 10,000 year range!

As an example, scientists have noted that the earth's magnetic field is losing strength. Measurements over the last hundred years tell us the current rate of decay. If we assume the decay is constant (a big assumption that cannot be proven), then the maximum age of the earth given the current strength of field is 8,700 years.

Another example is the saltiness of our oceans. River water entering the oceans bring in minerals, but the evaporation of the water from the ocean leaves these minerals behind. Measuring just the sodium content of the ocean, using numerous methods for input and output of water and sodium, and assuming we started with pure water (a huge assumption) the amount of salt currently found in the ocean yields a maximum age of 62 million years -- far less than the 4.5 billion years currently favored.

Before the moon was explored, there were concerns about the depth of meteoric dust on the surface of the moon. Space is full of dust and it falls on the moon and the earth as we travel through space. If the world and the moon were billions of years old, one would expect a layer of dust over 150 feet, but when we got to the moon, the dust only measured to be about an inch deep. Given the measured influx of dust currently, that would account for a few thousand years.

We could continue to list various other methods, such as the build up of carbon-14 would indicate that the world has a maximum age of 30,000 years, but what we should address is why do these ages vary so much? The answer is simple: we weren't there! We are taking measurements made in the last one to two hundred years and then projecting them backwards to come up with an estimated age. But to do the projection, we must make assumptions about the rate at which the process continues, the starting values, and whether the current contents might have been altered. Since we weren't there, we have no idea if our assumptions are right or wrong! Actually, we can easily show that many of the assumptions are wrong. That is why the dates are published as the maximum possible value. This means we are selecting the assumptions that give the long age, even though we know this cannot be possible.

The reason the measurements giving the largest answers are popularly cited is simply because the theory of evolution needs large periods of time to even be remotely credible. Even the current values are not large enough to do this, hence the continued search for larger values. Science has not proven the age of the earth because such proof is not possible. What it has produced are a series of estimates based on assumed conditions. The best it can give is the extreme outer limits, but it cannot give the actual date. So when a report is cited that the age of a rock is 4.5 billions years, it should be read that the age of the rock is at most 4.5 billion years -- it could be less, it could be a lot less.

The Bible claims to be a record of events in the world recorded for us by the Holy Spirit. In other words, if we accept that God created the world, then the Bible claims to be God's record of some of His involvement in that world. If we accept that the Bible is God's written message, then we are faced with the fact that God indicates that the world is well less than 10,000 years old. Does this match what we know in science? For the most part it does. Every dating method's assumptions can be adjusted to give smaller ages. I know of only a few methods that give some possible difficulties, but again those difficulties arise from the base assumptions that are made.

Here then is where faith comes into play. We have evidence of a wide range of possible ages of the earth. We could believe evolution and always grab the largest dates, or we could believe God and select the dates that come closest to matching the Scriptures. Either way, it comes down to belief -- where we place our trust. Faith is the demonstration of your prejudice.

"Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen" (Hebrews 11:1).

Anonymous
by Anonymous 4 on Dec. 7, 2012 at 2:22 AM

Same here.  I honestly really do not care either. 

Oh and yes, I am Christian.  I could not care less how old the Earth is. 

Quoting Anonymous:

I have no idea what so ever. I don't think about it, honestly. Lol


momtoblueeyes
by on Dec. 7, 2012 at 2:22 AM
I read my bible and from what I remember, people in Noah days used to live like 900 years but that's god time which is different then ours. It took over 100 years to build the ark.
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Anonymous
by Anonymous 1 on Dec. 7, 2012 at 2:23 AM
Yup looney as hell! Lol I just nod and walk away when dealing with people like that.

Quoting thetrollcat:

Dude those crazy Baptists of the West whatever church are not christian fur the love of pugs! They are nut cases!

Quoting Anonymous:

They are out there. Lol I have actually met "Christians" who believe dianosaur bones were put in the ground as a trick of satan! Lmao!



Quoting thetrollcat:

Hmm I may need to bump this post in the morning when the live crew is up and awake. I want to see if its true (according to orange anonymous) that christians believe that the world is only 4,000 years old. I do not know of any single christian that actually believes or says that. So now I am curious how many actually believe the earth is only 4,000 years old...

Quoting Anonymous:

Yup.





Quoting thetrollcat:

R U a christian though???

Quoting Anonymous:

Not me. I believe that evolution and creation go hand in hand. God said 1000 years with Him is as a day and a day as a 1000 years. He has no respect for time. He created time for man. And all that jazz.




LivysMama
by Gold Member on Dec. 7, 2012 at 2:24 AM
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I take the Sherlock Holmes view on all questions of this nature. It wouldn't change my life if I knew, I can't do anything about it either way, and so I don't worry about it.

And yeah, I'm a Christian.

tharealty2
by on Dec. 7, 2012 at 2:24 AM

thought it was 6,000 years but either way - I do believe God created the Earth in 7 days.  


thetrollcat
by Meow on Dec. 7, 2012 at 2:25 AM
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Based on this reply orange anonymous is incorrect on her 4,000 year old statement. Figures.

Quoting Sassy762:

Answer:

Dating in the Bible is a bit difficult because, for the span of time that the Bible covers, a universal calendar was not in use. Time was measured relative to local events, such as how long the current king was in power. This also led to rounding of dates since it would be rare that major events, such as the crowing of a king would take place precisely at the beginning of a calendar year. Therefore, when working backwards, you can be off plus or minus a year times the number of events you had to use to go backwards. For example, if you went back to a point in time using the length of reign of five kings, you can be off plus or minus five years.

Fortunately, the Bible contains several summaries of eras that helps to keep overall periods roughly accurate. For example, we know the length of time the Israelites were in Egypt was 430 years (Exodus 12:40-41). We also know the time from the Exodus to the building of the temple was 480 years (I Kings 6:1).

Using the records given in the Scriptures, scholars have estimated that the world is roughly 6,000 years old.

Now that is not the estimate we are told the scientific community accepts. Currently, popular scientists think the world is 4.5 billion years old, though that age constantly changes. When I was in high school, it was only 3.5 billion years old, a change of a billion years -- and I haven't lived nearly that long!

What many people do not realize is that there are thousands of ways to measure the age of the earth. The ones popularly touted are only those few that give very long answers. The vast majority of measurements give ages in the 10,000 year range!

As an example, scientists have noted that the earth's magnetic field is losing strength. Measurements over the last hundred years tell us the current rate of decay. If we assume the decay is constant (a big assumption that cannot be proven), then the maximum age of the earth given the current strength of field is 8,700 years.

Another example is the saltiness of our oceans. River water entering the oceans bring in minerals, but the evaporation of the water from the ocean leaves these minerals behind. Measuring just the sodium content of the ocean, using numerous methods for input and output of water and sodium, and assuming we started with pure water (a huge assumption) the amount of salt currently found in the ocean yields a maximum age of 62 million years -- far less than the 4.5 billion years currently favored.

Before the moon was explored, there were concerns about the depth of meteoric dust on the surface of the moon. Space is full of dust and it falls on the moon and the earth as we travel through space. If the world and the moon were billions of years old, one would expect a layer of dust over 150 feet, but when we got to the moon, the dust only measured to be about an inch deep. Given the measured influx of dust currently, that would account for a few thousand years.

We could continue to list various other methods, such as the build up of carbon-14 would indicate that the world has a maximum age of 30,000 years, but what we should address is why do these ages vary so much? The answer is simple: we weren't there! We are taking measurements made in the last one to two hundred years and then projecting them backwards to come up with an estimated age. But to do the projection, we must make assumptions about the rate at which the process continues, the starting values, and whether the current contents might have been altered. Since we weren't there, we have no idea if our assumptions are right or wrong! Actually, we can easily show that many of the assumptions are wrong. That is why the dates are published as the maximum possible value. This means we are selecting the assumptions that give the long age, even though we know this cannot be possible.

The reason the measurements giving the largest answers are popularly cited is simply because the theory of evolution needs large periods of time to even be remotely credible. Even the current values are not large enough to do this, hence the continued search for larger values. Science has not proven the age of the earth because such proof is not possible. What it has produced are a series of estimates based on assumed conditions. The best it can give is the extreme outer limits, but it cannot give the actual date. So when a report is cited that the age of a rock is 4.5 billions years, it should be read that the age of the rock is at most 4.5 billion years -- it could be less, it could be a lot less.

The Bible claims to be a record of events in the world recorded for us by the Holy Spirit. In other words, if we accept that God created the world, then the Bible claims to be God's record of some of His involvement in that world. If we accept that the Bible is God's written message, then we are faced with the fact that God indicates that the world is well less than 10,000 years old. Does this match what we know in science? For the most part it does. Every dating method's assumptions can be adjusted to give smaller ages. I know of only a few methods that give some possible difficulties, but again those difficulties arise from the base assumptions that are made.

Here then is where faith comes into play. We have evidence of a wide range of possible ages of the earth. We could believe evolution and always grab the largest dates, or we could believe God and select the dates that come closest to matching the Scriptures. Either way, it comes down to belief -- where we place our trust. Faith is the demonstration of your prejudice.

"Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen" (Hebrews 11:1).


~~~~~         =^..^=        ~~~~~
I'm not the cat lady type. I'm more like an actual cat. I want affection when I want it and on my own terms. The rest of the time I want to claw out your eyes and piss in your shoes.  

*marking the 599968yth post/reply being mean, evil, horrible, which makes me worse than anonymous*

thetrollcat
by Meow on Dec. 7, 2012 at 2:26 AM

according to the orange anonymous she stated 4,000 years old.

BTW do you believe the planet is only 6,000 years old?

Or do you believe it is possible the planet is billion or so?

Quoting tharealty2:

thought it was 6,000 years but either way - I do believe God created the Earth in 7 days.  



~~~~~         =^..^=        ~~~~~
I'm not the cat lady type. I'm more like an actual cat. I want affection when I want it and on my own terms. The rest of the time I want to claw out your eyes and piss in your shoes.  

*marking the 599968yth post/reply being mean, evil, horrible, which makes me worse than anonymous*

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