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4 year old sociopath? Update

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No emotions, no regrets, didn't care about others things or feelings..


WTF AM I GOING TO DO? I am going to speak to a therapist tomorrow about it


Dh thinks of aspergers as nothing more than a form of mental retardation..what exactly is it?


Update.
Saw the therapist this morning, gave her a basic run down of his past, the trauma leading up to last night. She was able to give me a couple phone numbers of people that might be able to help. I'll be calling them monday or tuesday. Last ditch effort, cps..understandable..just hope it doesn't come down to that. Thank you to everyone that gave advice..and I will look into the foster/therapy/home thing that was suggested. Please keep us in your thoughts and prayers that this gets settled soon
Posted by Anonymous on Dec. 8, 2012 at 4:24 AM
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Anonymous
by Anonymous 3 on Dec. 8, 2012 at 4:53 AM
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This may sound weird.... but how do you know he doesn't have regret or remorse? Feelings?
He's four. He may just not understand the whole picture of what he's doing. But to label him so young when he's not able to truly explain his thoughts, actions or feelings to me is wrong.
Therapy is good. But I'd have to have solid proof that his actions & lack of outwardly expressing his remorse is a true mental illness & not just his age & lack of being able to verbally express his feelings.
Careful because labeling him will follow him for the rest of his life & shape his future.

Quoting Anonymous:

No emotions, no regrets, didn't care about others things or feelings..





WTF AM I GOING TO DO? I am going to speak to a therapist tomorrow about it
MommyChristina1
by Silver Member on Dec. 8, 2012 at 4:53 AM
Did you hear that they were pulling Aspbergers as an independent diagnosis out if the new DSM set for release in the spring?

Quoting AshandJax:

Yea. Asperger's syndrome (disorder)

.... lol, assbergers. Still cracks me up. 
He dosn't know. We are going to wait to tell him. He wouldn't understand it right  now and we don't want him to use it as an excuse for bad choices.  

Quoting Anonymous:

Aspi? Asbergers? (sp?)





Quoting AshandJax:

I thought that about my 6 year old too... especially being his father is a true pschyopath. Over a year of digging and therapy and many other things, we have come to find out he is an aspie. Sometimes aspies can seem to have sociopathic traits. 

We went through a lot... even thought about schitzophrenia at one point... Im just thankful we know what it is. He has made so much progress recently now that we understand better how to handle him... he is more controllable. He still hits his teachers and other kids and says horrible things and still dosnt really grasp the concept of danger, love or hate, but he has learned how to control his impulses alot better than he used to.

One reason we have been able to find out so quickly is b/c I made the decision to send him to a theraputic foster home. She has been a life saver. I miss him and want him home, but it was either send him, or keep him home only for him to continue to get worse and be at a school that didn't want to help and pretty much labled him a bad child.




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SnortysMom
by CatMarie on Dec. 8, 2012 at 4:55 AM

FYI - Jani's family is also on FB. Its under The Jani Foundation

Anonymous
by Anonymous 1 - Original Poster on Dec. 8, 2012 at 4:55 AM
Dh is in the medical field, its just somthing we have


Quoting carolyntx:

Do I even want to ask why you have a scalpel in your room?!



Quoting Anonymous:

He snuck into my room climbed the bookshelf and stole it. The door will be locked from now on first thing tomorrow morning






Quoting XJetX:

Why does he have access to a scalpel?







Quoting Anonymous:

By 4 kids know right from wrong, not to play with sharp objects, steal, or take a scalpel from his parents and cut himself with it, and then try to get his younger brother to take the blame for it










Quoting MommyChristina1:

He's 4, kids don't develop a real sense if empathy until around 6.



AshandJax
by Silver Member on Dec. 8, 2012 at 4:55 AM

It was my last ditch effort.... my parents were very upset withme thinking I just gave him away. We got involved with a program called impact plus. There could be one simlar near you,talk to his therapist about anything similar. He would go to a respit home when he was too hard to handle. Lucky for us, his respit provider was his old sitter and a good family friend. I was happy b/c we already knew her and I was comfortable witth it. That program is for parents with difficult children to recieve extra help. Someone would come to my home once a week and talk with us... like extra therapy. When I was at my witts end and crying about how I couldn't take it anymore and was worried for the lives of us and our youngest son, thats when they brought up the ideaa of theraputic foster care. I took about a month and thought about it. I didn't want to send him away,but I knew this was somethiing bigger than me and I couldn't give him the help he needed and regular therapy wasn't working.... not to mention, I didn't like his pshyc very much either. 
Even my parenhts agree with my decision now, now they realize it wasnt just me making something out of  nothing.

Why don't you google Theraputic foster care? It might bring up something in your area. 

Quoting Anonymous:

How would I even begin to know where to look for something like this?


Quoting AshandJax:

What things? The theraputic foster care?
Its a program through his therapist office. Usually it is a 6 month program, but my sons was extended b/c he was such a special case. Out of over 400 children and 20 years experience, his foster teacher has never had a child like him. She didn't even know how to handle him, so she very well understood how  I was going out of my mind. I talk to her most every night and get his daily score. He is in a behavural class. So much progress and he regresses back every now and then. I fear for his future, but I do have hope now. 

Quoting ivy801:

This is a very interisting concept, didn't know such things existed.





Quoting AshandJax:

I thought that about my 6 year old too... especially being his father is a true pschyopath. Over a year of digging and therapy and many other things, we have come to find out he is an aspie. Sometimes aspies can seem to have sociopathic traits. 

We went through a lot... even thought about schitzophrenia at one point... Im just thankful we know what it is. He has made so much progress recently now that we understand better how to handle him... he is more controllable. He still hits his teachers and other kids and says horrible things and still dosnt really grasp the concept of danger, love or hate, but he has learned how to control his impulses alot better than he used to.

One reason we have been able to find out so quickly is b/c I made the decision to send him to a theraputic foster home. She has been a life saver. I miss him and want him home, but it was either send him, or keep him home only for him to continue to get worse and be at a school that didn't want to help and pretty much labled him a bad child.






AshandJax
by Silver Member on Dec. 8, 2012 at 4:57 AM

The only thing I've heard is that they are taking away the name aspergers and only labeling it as high functioning autism.

Quoting MommyChristina1:

Did you hear that they were pulling Aspbergers as an independent diagnosis out if the new DSM set for release in the spring?

Quoting AshandJax:

Yea. Asperger's syndrome (disorder)

.... lol, assbergers. Still cracks me up. 
He dosn't know. We are going to wait to tell him. He wouldn't understand it right  now and we don't want him to use it as an excuse for bad choices.  

Quoting Anonymous:

Aspi? Asbergers? (sp?)





Quoting AshandJax:

I thought that about my 6 year old too... especially being his father is a true pschyopath. Over a year of digging and therapy and many other things, we have come to find out he is an aspie. Sometimes aspies can seem to have sociopathic traits. 

We went through a lot... even thought about schitzophrenia at one point... Im just thankful we know what it is. He has made so much progress recently now that we understand better how to handle him... he is more controllable. He still hits his teachers and other kids and says horrible things and still dosnt really grasp the concept of danger, love or hate, but he has learned how to control his impulses alot better than he used to.

One reason we have been able to find out so quickly is b/c I made the decision to send him to a theraputic foster home. She has been a life saver. I miss him and want him home, but it was either send him, or keep him home only for him to continue to get worse and be at a school that didn't want to help and pretty much labled him a bad child.





Anonymous
by Anonymous 1 - Original Poster on Dec. 8, 2012 at 4:57 AM
Problem being we can't afford one. He was seeing one through welfare, and it made things worse. I'm afraid of talking to one tomorrow


Quoting MommyChristina1:

:( Poor guy. Get him some help momma. With a therapist trained to deal with trauma and your support, he can make so much progress. I wish you all the best of luck.



Quoting Anonymous:

Yes






Quoting MommyChristina1:

I'm sorry he's going through that. Sounds like something is going on for sure, but a 4 year old sociopath is a bit over the top, just my opinion. He needs a therapist. History of trauma?







Quoting Anonymous:

By 4 kids know right from wrong, not to play with sharp objects, steal, or take a scalpel from his parents and cut himself with it, and then try to get his younger brother to take the blame for it










Quoting MommyChristina1:

He's 4, kids don't develop a real sense if empathy until around 6.



Anonymous
by Anonymous 1 - Original Poster on Dec. 8, 2012 at 4:58 AM
Thank you


Quoting SnortysMom:

http://www.janisjourney.org/ 


Anonymous
by Anonymous 1 - Original Poster on Dec. 8, 2012 at 5:00 AM
I just went into their room and gave them a run down of their behavior and actions today. Told them they are on the verge of no xmas. 3 year old busted out in tears, 4 year never had any change of emotion in anyway and layed down for bed.


Quoting Anonymous:

This may sound weird.... but how do you know he doesn't have regret or remorse? Feelings?

He's four. He may just not understand the whole picture of what he's doing. But to label him so young when he's not able to truly explain his thoughts, actions or feelings to me is wrong.

Therapy is good. But I'd have to have solid proof that his actions & lack of outwardly expressing his remorse is a true mental illness & not just his age & lack of being able to verbally express his feelings.

Careful because labeling him will follow him for the rest of his life & shape his future.



Quoting Anonymous:

No emotions, no regrets, didn't care about others things or feelings..








WTF AM I GOING TO DO? I am going to speak to a therapist tomorrow about it

Bonita131
by Platinum Member on Dec. 8, 2012 at 5:01 AM


Quoting Anonymous:

He snuck into my room climbed the bookshelf and stole it. The door will be locked from now on first thing tomorrow morning


Quoting XJetX:

Why does he have access to a scalpel?



Quoting Anonymous:

By 4 kids know right from wrong, not to play with sharp objects, steal, or take a scalpel from his parents and cut himself with it, and then try to get his younger brother to take the blame for it






Quoting MommyChristina1:

He's 4, kids don't develop a real sense if empathy until around 6.



Why do you have a scalpel for your kids to find in the first place?

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