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This baby had a fatal reaction to a hepatitis b vaccine. Still think vaccines are harmless? *GRAPHIC PHOTO*

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This baby had a fatal allergic reaction to the hepatitis b vaccine.<br />
Still think they are harmless?

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by on Dec. 30, 2012 at 7:36 PM
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ke1213
by Member on Dec. 30, 2012 at 8:49 PM

Who took this picture? That's taking it a bit far.

And I do not condemn those who choose for or against vaccination.

Isaacsmom913
by Platinum Member on Dec. 30, 2012 at 8:50 PM

No one disagrees that some children will experience a harmful side effect from any vaccine-however the odds are against it occuring.  STILL, as a parent you need to research the pros and cons of EVERY intervention available for YOUR CHILD rather than use fear mongering to scare those who may not be as vigilent. 

2ltlmonkeyz
by on Dec. 30, 2012 at 8:50 PM

yep i am talking about  the form for philisophical reasons. 

Quoting LectioDivina:

It's illegal not to let a child into public school because the parents had a religious objection to a shot.

 Qoting banana-bear:

And either you are or she is lying. Doesn't change the law.

Quoting 2ltlmonkeyz:

OK, well it's not untru i have witnessed it happen with my own 2 eyes, i read an article about it in the newspaper , i am glad it happened to you but i have witnessed a school RN state to a mother NO SHOTS NO SCHOOL!


Quoting banana-bear:

Untrue. It is insanely easy to exempt from vaccines here in Texas. I've done it for myself and my children.


Quoting 2ltlmonkeyz:


That's nice ,  where do you live ? I have talked to and seen with my own 2 eyes moms being told no shots no school here in TX. I know of one little boy that missed half of his kindergrten year for no shots ! I also bartend and have heard from many moms the same story they wanted to fill out a form but there is no form no shots no school. 



Quoting Lunarprancer:



Wow, quite an attitude.  I don't vax for philosophical standing and our school district fully recognizes it.



Quoting 2ltlmonkeyz:



I think that is a rare reaction, both of mine are vaxed and nothing ever happened to them THANK GOD! So for my kids they are absolutley the best choice ! Besides fyi that whole im not vaxxing for philisophical reasons bs does not fly the rule here is no shots no school. I have seen about 4 moms try to pull that card and guess what their kids are now getting vaxed bc they have to go to school, if they don't go to school you go to jail. So anyone with babies planning to do it better really look into it before just showing up thinking ur going to waltz in there and tell them that . 






 


 



Anonymous
by Anonymous 16 on Dec. 30, 2012 at 8:51 PM

i know a few who will work for free about this issue if parents have a problem...there's a whole network out there of them

Quoting 2ltlmonkeyz:

perhaps you better be prepared to pay to a high powered attourney too, bc i gaurantee you the school/state whichever is going to have a team of really good ones. 

Quoting banana-bear:

Then perhaps legal action needs to be threatened.

Quoting 2ltlmonkeyz:

Well i guess the school is not following the law , bc i have witnessed a school RN say no shots no school. I know it may be the law that does not mean it is being followed . 


Quoting banana-bear:

The school is required BY LAW to allow the children to enroll. The parents just need to get an exemption form notarized.


Quoting 2ltlmonkeyz:


That is nice , but the school wont go along with it , i went with my sister this past August to register my nephew for K and i seen the school RN tell 2 different moms no shots no school, one asked she about the form she said no form only for religous purposes peroiod that is it , no shots no school and sent the pissed off mama on her way to get shots that they were giving for free that day. I seen it with my own eyes post whatever you like , I SEEN IT HAPPEN! Also on the big announcement boards right before school starts they are posting NO SHOTS NO SCHOOL on them , so the website can say whatever it likes ,im going to go with it may be a law but schools are not following it



Quoting Lunarprancer:



http://www.nvic.org/Vaccine-Laws/state-vaccine-requirements.aspx



Im in Ohio, Texas has all three as well.



Quoting 2ltlmonkeyz:



That's nice ,  where do you live ? I have talked to and seen with my own 2 eyes moms being told no shots no school here in TX. I know of one little boy that missed half of his kindergrten year for no shots ! I also bartend and have heard from many moms the same story they wanted to fill out a form but there is no form no shots no school. 



Quoting Lunarprancer:



Wow, quite an attitude.  I don't vax for philosophical standing and our school district fully recognizes it.



Quoting 2ltlmonkeyz:



I think that is a rare reaction, both of mine are vaxed and nothing ever happened to them THANK GOD! So for my kids they are absolutley the best choice ! Besides fyi that whole im not vaxxing for philisophical reasons bs does not fly the rule here is no shots no school. I have seen about 4 moms try to pull that card and guess what their kids are now getting vaxed bc they have to go to school, if they don't go to school you go to jail. So anyone with babies planning to do it better really look into it before just showing up thinking ur going to waltz in there and tell them that . 

















Anonymous
by Anonymous 32 on Dec. 30, 2012 at 8:51 PM

You did too say that if we vax we don't love our kids,  why don't you post some pictures of all the kids who have had hepatitis infections and polio and all the other diseases vaccines protect us from?  That's right you don't do that because those don't support your agenda!

Quoting AwesomeMom222:

Okay sweetie I NEVER said you don't love your kids. I'm sure you do as most of us mothers in our right minds love our kids and would give our lives for our kids. All I am saying is first of all I'm new to this site and was trying to post the picture to a different post originating from someone else and ended up posting it by itself, is why there is the picture by itself. And all I'm saying is please do the research with an open mind. Not just the research you agree with. Research the facts even if you don't agree with them. There's a wealth of information available and everything I have ever found out is the vaccines are more harmful than beneficial. Check out V.I.N.E. vaccine information network. There are pediatrician's that are on the VINE board. Please just check it out. I love all children and just want the best for them. I'm sure you as a mother at least agree with me on that.


Quoting Youngmother456:

I have and how dare you question my love for my son! I never questioned your love for your child or children. I didn't even question the legitimacy of your research and yet you minimize mine. I just said this is a post to make people afraid and that is exactly what it is! If you were posting to educate you would have included some of your research instead of just a picture to trigger an emotional response.




Quoting AwesomeMom222:

I'm not fear mongering. You do your research. I have been researching vaccines probably longer than you've been alive. They are causing more problems than solutions. But in the end if you want to do that to your kids than go ahead. But if you truly love them and want what's best for them than do some open minded research.






Quoting Youngmother456:

I was vaccinated back when they still had mercury in them. So were my 6 siblings and my parents. My son was vaccinated too and nothing happened. Should I post a pic of all of us and say see vaccines are harmless?



This post is ridiculous and is trying to use fear to push an agenda instead of using facts and statistics.



If you decide that vaccines are too risky, that is your right but that doesn't mean that people who do vaccinate are not looking at the same facts. I looked everything up and decided that the risk was smaller then the risk of getting the fatal diseases that vaccines protect against.







Yes some people who vaccinate do not read any of the papers but there are people who don't who rely on blogs for evidence and conspiracy theories.



Ugh this annoys me. Using this poor infants reaction to push an anti-vax agenda annoys me.








Quoting SRUsarahSC:

exactly. They also have stories of people who didn't get vaccinated and the horrid things that happened to them.  It's a very helpful, legitmate site.  No one who vaccinates believes they are 100% safe. You are given paperwork to read and sign prior about the possible risks and what the odds are that they will happen.





Quoting Youngmother456:

Yea. The CDC never said that they are 100% safe or harmless. The even have a list of possible reactions and how many people had that reaction.














Quoting SRUsarahSC:

statistically low odds. I'll stick with the CDC recommendations.












Theresa07646
by on Dec. 30, 2012 at 8:51 PM

All of you need to visit websites where children were damaged by vaccines. It happens a lot more than you think. Our government is keeping this a secret because they are heavily influenced and lobbied by the pharmaceutical industry. If you have not studied physiology, biology, and chemistry you would probably not understand.  Check out the blog http://www.thinkingmomsrevolution.com/ , http://www.ebcala.org/  http://www.canaryparty.org/ , http://www.nvic.org/ , http://www.safeminds.org/ The CDC and the NIH know the vaccines are damaging people. Through the Freedom of Information act e mails between the people who are supposed to protect  us show they were trying to fudge the data so vaccines don't look so bad. These people own stock in the pharmaceutical companies. They go back and forth between jobs for pharmaceutical companies and government positions.There is human DNA from aborted fetuses in vaccines. There is aluminum and mercury, etc. People have gotten Guellain Barre Syndrome(paralysis). 1 out of 6 kids in the US has ADHD,Autism, or some neurological disorder. Vaccines damage the immune system in some and cause allergies and other chronic health problems. There has never been any safety studies done on the combined effect of all the vaccines. The vaccine schedule has expanded since about 1988.  Since then children are sicker in this country. 50% of children in the US have a chronic health problem.  If your child is damaged by a vaccine you can't sue the pharmaceutical industry or the Doctor who gave it.  The Vaccine Compensation Fund very rarely pays out for vaccine injury. It is a brutal fight.  Improved sanitation and living conditions are what have prevented the spread of disease, not vaccines. Look up the data. Look up the Simpsonwood Meeting June 2000. Members of the pharmaceutical industry got together and came to the conclusion vaccines were causing neurodevelopmental problems in children. They decided to keep it secret from the public. By the way the meeting in itself was illegal.

BoxxyBabee
by on Dec. 30, 2012 at 8:51 PM

I seen that pic going around on fb. It's not even due to shots.

Abby.N.Amys.Mom
by on Dec. 30, 2012 at 8:51 PM
My daughters pedi has been practicing since the 50's. He has seen things that most modern day doctors have not, which is why I trust his opinion over anyone else's any day. He was also my husband pedi when he was little.

Quoting Irenesmommy:

exactly, my aunt survived polio, barely, my mother survived mumps and whooping cough, barely, my uncle died at the age of eight from polio. Just two generations ago people were dying of these diseases, it's the new generations lucky enough to grow up in an age of medical "miracles" that want to scoff and cry foul about conspiracies and the big pharma agenda.

Quoting ripemango:

Hyped doesn't even begin to describe it. The most recent generations have not seen 1st hand the devastation caused by rampant disease. Dr. Jonas Salk invented the polio vaccine and rightly so, was hailed as a hero of the time. He had seen tens of thousands of children maimed for life. Having a child just less than 100 yrs ago meant constantly worrying about contracting polio. He didn't even patent the vaccine so that it would be freely distributed to all. He is a big hero of mine and someone I truly admire. He inspires me w where I want my research to lead and how I would like it to impact humanity.




Quoting Irenesmommy:

I often wonder if some crazy outbreak of some rare flu that could kill a significant amount of the population were to break out, and it took months to find a vaccine for it. If I survived I would be getting the vaccine as well as my kid. I'm betting that people were also hyped up to get the polio vax, the vax for bubonic plague. Everyone is so complacent that they feel they can reject the current medical breakthroughs until that one disease rears it's ugly head then all of a sudden medicine is a miracle.



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banana-bear
by on Dec. 30, 2012 at 8:52 PM
Honey, I live in Cypress and have never heard of this being an issue. It's not a big headache like you say. You go online, order the free forms, sign them and get them notarized, then bring them with you to registration. If you are prepared, there is no hassle. I am telling you from personal experience here. You are just trying to scare people into thinking their kids cannot attend public school if they don't vaccinate.That's wrong.

Quoting 2ltlmonkeyz:

Well I am certainly not lieing i have no reason to lie about it , i dont really care if someone vaxes or not . I am just saying Walking into a school and saying oh im not vaxing for philisophical reasons and them going along with it without saying anything is BS. ALL of the schools in San Antonio post that saying right before the school year and i witnessed it happen in Houston , I bartend in Houston now and i have talked to a few different moms that are telling me they will not let them in.  I never said what the law is or is not i am saying what the schools ARE doing /saying.  I am saying it seems like an awful lot of head ache to go fight over vaccinating a child i have a theory as to why some dont want to vaccinate and it has nothing to do with their child's health. 


Quoting banana-bear:

Then the parent is at fault for not getting proper documentation in time. Still does not change the law.


Quoting 2ltlmonkeyz:


This is the article i read , i notice at the end it SAIS you can get an exemption but i have witnessed mother's sent to get shots bc the RN told them they cannot attend without shots. I also know a little boy that missed halk of his K year bc he had to catch up on shots



http://www.mysanantonio.com/community/northwest/news/article/NISD-enforcing-No-Shots-No-School-778472.php



Quoting banana-bear:

Untrue. It is insanely easy to exempt from vaccines here in Texas. I've done it for myself and my children.



Quoting 2ltlmonkeyz:



That's nice ,  where do you live ? I have talked to and seen with my own 2 eyes moms being told no shots no school here in TX. I know of one little boy that missed half of his kindergrten year for no shots ! I also bartend and have heard from many moms the same story they wanted to fill out a form but there is no form no shots no school. 




Quoting Lunarprancer:




Wow, quite an attitude.  I don't vax for philosophical standing and our school district fully recognizes it.




Quoting 2ltlmonkeyz:




I think that is a rare reaction, both of mine are vaxed and nothing ever happened to them THANK GOD! So for my kids they are absolutley the best choice ! Besides fyi that whole im not vaxxing for philisophical reasons bs does not fly the rule here is no shots no school. I have seen about 4 moms try to pull that card and guess what their kids are now getting vaxed bc they have to go to school, if they don't go to school you go to jail. So anyone with babies planning to do it better really look into it before just showing up thinking ur going to waltz in there and tell them that . 








 



 



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Irenesmommy
by Gold Member on Dec. 30, 2012 at 8:52 PM
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you know it, it's all population control until your neighborhood has an outbreak, or your kid's school has an outbreak next thing you know people are clamoring for the short in supply life saving vaccine. They will step over their wiki sources to get that precious, yet so toxic, "poison"

Quoting momto2boys973:


Quoting Irenesmommy:


Quoting momto2boys973:


Quoting Irenesmommy:

exactly, my aunt survived polio, barely, my mother survived mumps and whooping cough, barely, my uncle died at the age of eight from polio. Just two generations ago people were dying of these diseases, it's the new generations lucky enough to grow up in an age of medical "miracles" that want to scoff and cry foul about conspiracies and the big pharma agenda.


Life's full of irony.

There have been deadly outbreaks of measles, influenza and smallpox throughout history. Millions dead. 90% of the population of America died of measles or smallpox. Can you imagine what they would've done if there had been a little shot that could've prevented that?

I guess we're very quick to take our blessings for granted.

so true, the medical geniuses who saw what was happening around them and wanted to stop it are literally being spit in the face. Pretty sure they didn't create the vaccines to make a quick buck, instead to help humanity as a whole.

I've even heard the argument that outbreaks and disease are probably nature ways of population control and maybe you shouldn't be messing with it... I wonder if those same people would sing the same song if it was their lives and their children's the ones being "purged" by Mother Nature...


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