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Im sorry but if your on PA, you dont need to be ttc

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Agree or disagree
Posted by Anonymous on Jan. 3, 2013 at 10:57 PM
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Anonymous
by Anonymous 15 on Jan. 4, 2013 at 7:54 PM

Yeah, my husband makes really good money and my house is clean.

Quoting OneToughMami: You clearly have much more time on your hands than I do.
Quoting Anonymous: I know you said other things in addition to cash assistance. But I disagree that most people on Cafemom are referring to cash assistance when they talk about PA, because when I heard "Welfare" I thought everyone was talking about TANF, since it used to be called Welfare. So, I was confused when I heard so many users saying that generations were perpetuating a Welfare cycle, raising children on Welfare so that those children would continue to raise children n Welfare. I countered that there was a lifetime limit on TANF, and was told repeatedly that when people were talking about Welfare or PA, they were usually referring to programs that had no limit. SNAP was definitely the program I've heard most cited. But section 8 housing and Medicaid are especially disliked, probably because although a smaller percentage of the population lives their lives on them, these programs cost the government more than food programs like SNAP and WIC.


And if you say that when you think of animals native to North America, people think about the Grizzly Bear, the oppussum, and the lion, I probably would tell you that I don't think many people think about the lion when they think of North American animals. This would not mean you had never said anything about bears and oppossums. It would mean that the lion struck me as a choice I didn't think most people thought of, and I was remarking on that.

I never said you did not know things. I never said I had to explain anything to you. Since we are openly discussing this, and not pm'ing, we both realize that others will see this. I certainly did not always know as much as I know about these programs. Much of my knowledge came from researching in order to confirm or disprove information that others shared with me. As this is a public forum, I share my words with everyone who cares to read them, and assume that if they read anything they were unfamiliar with, they would fact check my ass. There is no judgement through the act of sharing. Putting out information does not mean that the author assumes the reader is stupid. I truly do wish to give you credit for intelligence. I would not find it worthwhile to discuss this with you if I thought you were stupid.

I don't think I'm trying to change oinions-- just share. Originally, you said that you disagree with women trying to conceive while using public assistance. I assumed this meant you disagreed with such family planning for people who qualified for the EITC, since this is means tested like any other form of public assistance. Then you responded, and I get it now. You don't count the EITC as public assistance. You acknowledge that it is technically public assistance, but it isn't the form of public assistance that come to your mind when you think of public assistance. So when you say you disagree with women trying to conceive while using public assistance, you really mean that you disagree with women trying to conceive while using the public assistance that comes to your mind when you think of public assistance, namely TANF, SNAP, and WIC.

You're right that I have no empiracle evidence of what the members of Cafemom think about when they think of terms like "Welfare" or "PA." All my evidence is anecdotal. I don't know how we can find out what's in the heads of all these members. Maybe we could take a poll?

You can refer to the programs however you'd like. I'll continue to refer to them as I think of them as well.

I try to listen with the sme passion that I speak. I care about how I present my thought, and I assume othres care about the way they present themselves. In a discussion, when one party suggests a synopsis of the other's position, this offers the other party the opportunity to confirm, expound, or deny. I guess it also offers the other party the chance to say, "Please go back and reread" because that's what you did.

I don't know. I thought it would be fun to talk about something I cared about. That's all. I can see you didn't think of this as fun, and I really am sorry for making this an unpleasant experience.

Quoting OneToughMami: I actually said cash assistance, food stamps, and WIC at one point. You clearly do not know this board as much as you think. Or you are choosing to believe that I have no idea what I am talking about and feel the need to over explain this.

My opinion isn't going to change because of the programs or what anyone here is referring to or not. I am not concerned about people who qualify for the EITC, I do care about people who are so destitute that they are receiving TANF (there I used the right term for you) because that means they have almost no income.

And if you haven't gotten what I personally was talking about by now please go back and reread because you have clearly been wasting time you could have dedicated to something else. I have nothing to do so I do not particularly care if you want to keep repeating yourself because you are assuming.

Quoting Anonymous:

Because you said most of the people on Cafemom are talking about TANF when they talk about PA. You either do not know this message board very well, or you do not know TANF very well. But I try to be informed and back up my information. In the beginning I thought most were talking about TANF and calling it Welfare or PA. I found that they were usually referring to SNAP, WIC, the Momcare division of Medicaid, low cost state insurance programs for children, and (just recently because tax season started and Mom Confessions just got over complaining about donating gifts to the children of undeserving parents) the EITC.

I think what you mean to say is that when you say PA, you mean TANF and SNAP.

Quoting OneToughMami: I am wondering why you feel the need to explain these programs to me like I do not know what they are?




Anonymous
by Anonymous 101 on Jan. 4, 2013 at 7:55 PM
Oh OK I personally think that will help with finding a job or atleast they will have some type of experience and also something to put on their resume if nothing.


Quoting Anonymous:

You mean for TANF? Yes, earlier last year the work requirement was left up to states. I don't think any states chose to remove it, though they now have the option of trying a different program if they can think of one that could be more effective. When people say "PA" it can mean many things-- section 8 housing, SNAP, WIC, Medicaid, low cost insurance programs for children, the EITC, etc.


Quoting Anonymous: Its not like you get pa for free u have to be at a work site everyday and work I don't know if its the same everywhere but that's how it goes here.....

OneToughMami
by Ruby Member on Jan. 4, 2013 at 7:56 PM

Um my house is also clean and both my husband and I make good money so I am not really sure what you are trying to say here? lol

Quoting Anonymous:

Yeah, my husband makes really good money and my house is clean.

Quoting OneToughMami: You clearly have much more time on your hands than I do.
Quoting Anonymous: I know you said other things in addition to cash assistance. But I disagree that most people on Cafemom are referring to cash assistance when they talk about PA, because when I heard "Welfare" I thought everyone was talking about TANF, since it used to be called Welfare. So, I was confused when I heard so many users saying that generations were perpetuating a Welfare cycle, raising children on Welfare so that those children would continue to raise children n Welfare. I countered that there was a lifetime limit on TANF, and was told repeatedly that when people were talking about Welfare or PA, they were usually referring to programs that had no limit. SNAP was definitely the program I've heard most cited. But section 8 housing and Medicaid are especially disliked, probably because although a smaller percentage of the population lives their lives on them, these programs cost the government more than food programs like SNAP and WIC.


And if you say that when you think of animals native to North America, people think about the Grizzly Bear, the oppussum, and the lion, I probably would tell you that I don't think many people think about the lion when they think of North American animals. This would not mean you had never said anything about bears and oppossums. It would mean that the lion struck me as a choice I didn't think most people thought of, and I was remarking on that.

I never said you did not know things. I never said I had to explain anything to you. Since we are openly discussing this, and not pm'ing, we both realize that others will see this. I certainly did not always know as much as I know about these programs. Much of my knowledge came from researching in order to confirm or disprove information that others shared with me. As this is a public forum, I share my words with everyone who cares to read them, and assume that if they read anything they were unfamiliar with, they would fact check my ass. There is no judgement through the act of sharing. Putting out information does not mean that the author assumes the reader is stupid. I truly do wish to give you credit for intelligence. I would not find it worthwhile to discuss this with you if I thought you were stupid.

I don't think I'm trying to change oinions-- just share. Originally, you said that you disagree with women trying to conceive while using public assistance. I assumed this meant you disagreed with such family planning for people who qualified for the EITC, since this is means tested like any other form of public assistance. Then you responded, and I get it now. You don't count the EITC as public assistance. You acknowledge that it is technically public assistance, but it isn't the form of public assistance that come to your mind when you think of public assistance. So when you say you disagree with women trying to conceive while using public assistance, you really mean that you disagree with women trying to conceive while using the public assistance that comes to your mind when you think of public assistance, namely TANF, SNAP, and WIC.

You're right that I have no empiracle evidence of what the members of Cafemom think about when they think of terms like "Welfare" or "PA." All my evidence is anecdotal. I don't know how we can find out what's in the heads of all these members. Maybe we could take a poll?

You can refer to the programs however you'd like. I'll continue to refer to them as I think of them as well.

I try to listen with the sme passion that I speak. I care about how I present my thought, and I assume othres care about the way they present themselves. In a discussion, when one party suggests a synopsis of the other's position, this offers the other party the opportunity to confirm, expound, or deny. I guess it also offers the other party the chance to say, "Please go back and reread" because that's what you did.

I don't know. I thought it would be fun to talk about something I cared about. That's all. I can see you didn't think of this as fun, and I really am sorry for making this an unpleasant experience.

Quoting OneToughMami: I actually said cash assistance, food stamps, and WIC at one point. You clearly do not know this board as much as you think. Or you are choosing to believe that I have no idea what I am talking about and feel the need to over explain this.

My opinion isn't going to change because of the programs or what anyone here is referring to or not. I am not concerned about people who qualify for the EITC, I do care about people who are so destitute that they are receiving TANF (there I used the right term for you) because that means they have almost no income.

And if you haven't gotten what I personally was talking about by now please go back and reread because you have clearly been wasting time you could have dedicated to something else. I have nothing to do so I do not particularly care if you want to keep repeating yourself because you are assuming.

Quoting Anonymous:

Because you said most of the people on Cafemom are talking about TANF when they talk about PA. You either do not know this message board very well, or you do not know TANF very well. But I try to be informed and back up my information. In the beginning I thought most were talking about TANF and calling it Welfare or PA. I found that they were usually referring to SNAP, WIC, the Momcare division of Medicaid, low cost state insurance programs for children, and (just recently because tax season started and Mom Confessions just got over complaining about donating gifts to the children of undeserving parents) the EITC.

I think what you mean to say is that when you say PA, you mean TANF and SNAP.

Quoting OneToughMami: I am wondering why you feel the need to explain these programs to me like I do not know what they are?






Anonymous
by Anonymous 103 on Jan. 4, 2013 at 7:58 PM

Just because you qualify doesn't mean you need or use it.   If you can afford 6 kids on 50K without PA - more power to you.   Have 6 kids.

Quoting Anonymous:

Preview of 2012 EITC Income Limits

$45,060 ($50,270 married filing jointly) with three or more qualifying children
$41,952 ($47,162 married filing jointly) with two qualifying children
$36,920 ($42,130 married filing jointly) with one qualifying child
$13,980 ($19,190 married filing jointly) with no qualifying children

You think people shouldn't expand their families unless they make more than this? That cuts out the family planning options of some of our military service members, law enforcement officers, firefighters, and teachers.


kate80
by on Jan. 4, 2013 at 7:58 PM
Agree
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Anonymous
by Anonymous 104 on Jan. 4, 2013 at 8:00 PM
ttc? Whats that mean?
Anonymous
by Anonymous 15 on Jan. 4, 2013 at 8:02 PM

My MIL's an Army wife. Early on, it was hard to work, since my FIL was constantly moving. In a lot of ways, it made sense for thhem to be a one income family, although they sometimes lived apart so she could work and stay at a job. I don't know if all marriages could have handled that, though.

But you're right, that the reasons why some of the people qualify for PA while working "government jobs"

(like teachers and police officers) is because they have children while only one of them works. I felt like there was no point to working once, because it feels like you give it all to babysitters and daycare, but DH and I separated once, and I worked because I was a single mom and I had to. And sure enough, I made more than I paid in daycare.

Quoting Anonymous: Well, yes. If you have two incomes, it shouldn't cut out those people. You can't have a baby by yourself.
Vhx
by on Jan. 4, 2013 at 8:02 PM

Agree.

jakesmom323
by on Jan. 4, 2013 at 8:05 PM
Disagree!!!! I had my two babies on welfare and I'm proud! I don't care what anyone says!





Sorry...I couldn't resist. I've seen this often today. Lol. I'm totally kidding.
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Anonymous
by Anonymous 15 on Jan. 4, 2013 at 8:07 PM

Probably that you have enough time to be on here, too. My MIL is still here, too. So, maybe I'm technically hiding out. She won't leave. I think she's taking that "twelve days of Christmas" song literally.

Quoting OneToughMami: Um my house is also clean and both my husband and I make good money so I am not really sure what you are trying to say here? lol
Quoting Anonymous: Yeah, my husband makes really good money and my house is clean.
Quoting OneToughMami: You clearly have much more time on your hands than I do.
Quoting Anonymous: I know you said other things in addition to cash assistance. But I disagree that most people on Cafemom are referring to cash assistance when they talk about PA, because when I heard "Welfare" I thought everyone was talking about TANF, since it used to be called Welfare. So, I was confused when I heard so many users saying that generations were perpetuating a Welfare cycle, raising children on Welfare so that those children would continue to raise children n Welfare. I countered that there was a lifetime limit on TANF, and was told repeatedly that when people were talking about Welfare or PA, they were usually referring to programs that had no limit. SNAP was definitely the program I've heard most cited. But section 8 housing and Medicaid are especially disliked, probably because although a smaller percentage of the population lives their lives on them, these programs cost the government more than food programs like SNAP and WIC.


And if you say that when you think of animals native to North America, people think about the Grizzly Bear, the oppussum, and the lion, I probably would tell you that I don't think many people think about the lion when they think of North American animals. This would not mean you had never said anything about bears and oppossums. It would mean that the lion struck me as a choice I didn't think most people thought of, and I was remarking on that.

I never said you did not know things. I never said I had to explain anything to you. Since we are openly discussing this, and not pm'ing, we both realize that others will see this. I certainly did not always know as much as I know about these programs. Much of my knowledge came from researching in order to confirm or disprove information that others shared with me. As this is a public forum, I share my words with everyone who cares to read them, and assume that if they read anything they were unfamiliar with, they would fact check my ass. There is no judgement through the act of sharing. Putting out information does not mean that the author assumes the reader is stupid. I truly do wish to give you credit for intelligence. I would not find it worthwhile to discuss this with you if I thought you were stupid.

I don't think I'm trying to change oinions-- just share. Originally, you said that you disagree with women trying to conceive while using public assistance. I assumed this meant you disagreed with such family planning for people who qualified for the EITC, since this is means tested like any other form of public assistance. Then you responded, and I get it now. You don't count the EITC as public assistance. You acknowledge that it is technically public assistance, but it isn't the form of public assistance that come to your mind when you think of public assistance. So when you say you disagree with women trying to conceive while using public assistance, you really mean that you disagree with women trying to conceive while using the public assistance that comes to your mind when you think of public assistance, namely TANF, SNAP, and WIC.

You're right that I have no empiracle evidence of what the members of Cafemom think about when they think of terms like "Welfare" or "PA." All my evidence is anecdotal. I don't know how we can find out what's in the heads of all these members. Maybe we could take a poll?

You can refer to the programs however you'd like. I'll continue to refer to them as I think of them as well.

I try to listen with the sme passion that I speak. I care about how I present my thought, and I assume othres care about the way they present themselves. In a discussion, when one party suggests a synopsis of the other's position, this offers the other party the opportunity to confirm, expound, or deny. I guess it also offers the other party the chance to say, "Please go back and reread" because that's what you did.

I don't know. I thought it would be fun to talk about something I cared about. That's all. I can see you didn't think of this as fun, and I really am sorry for making this an unpleasant experience.

Quoting OneToughMami: I actually said cash assistance, food stamps, and WIC at one point. You clearly do not know this board as much as you think. Or you are choosing to believe that I have no idea what I am talking about and feel the need to over explain this.

My opinion isn't going to change because of the programs or what anyone here is referring to or not. I am not concerned about people who qualify for the EITC, I do care about people who are so destitute that they are receiving TANF (there I used the right term for you) because that means they have almost no income.

And if you haven't gotten what I personally was talking about by now please go back and reread because you have clearly been wasting time you could have dedicated to something else. I have nothing to do so I do not particularly care if you want to keep repeating yourself because you are assuming.

Quoting Anonymous:

Because you said most of the people on Cafemom are talking about TANF when they talk about PA. You either do not know this message board very well, or you do not know TANF very well. But I try to be informed and back up my information. In the beginning I thought most were talking about TANF and calling it Welfare or PA. I found that they were usually referring to SNAP, WIC, the Momcare division of Medicaid, low cost state insurance programs for children, and (just recently because tax season started and Mom Confessions just got over complaining about donating gifts to the children of undeserving parents) the EITC.

I think what you mean to say is that when you say PA, you mean TANF and SNAP.

Quoting OneToughMami: I am wondering why you feel the need to explain these programs to me like I do not know what they are?
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