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why should i not vaccinate?

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I just had my son I'm doing as much research as possible but I haven't decided. Why should I *not* vaccinate?
Posted by Anonymous on Jan. 6, 2013 at 1:14 AM
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aimlee
by Silver Member on Jan. 6, 2013 at 10:09 AM
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this is such an uncalled for comment!! wtf goes through your head? 

Quoting Anonymous:

Oh I don't know, if you like those cute little tiny baby coffins they sell now? In the cute colors? If NOT, then for god's sakes vaccinate your damn baby!


Anonymous
by Anonymous on Jan. 6, 2013 at 10:10 AM
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Quoting Anonymous:

 You shouldn't. Please vaccinate your child.

 

danie24
by Ruby Member on Jan. 6, 2013 at 10:11 AM
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 Hundreds of Thousands of years of Evolution has perfected our immune systems.. yet so many parents trust Big Pharma, the FDA and Physicians who ALL profit from vaccines more than their own bodies ability to fight illness.

I won't even get into how all of these diseases we're suppose to vaccinate our children against were already on a steady decline long before vaccines were introduced.. I'll just post an explination of how our immune systems work.

The Theory

Medical theory is that if your child is exposed to a weakened version of the disease, he will produce antibodies to that disease and become ‘immune’, so that he will never contract the illness.
At first glance, this sounds like a solid principle, BUT it only focuses on one small aspect of the immune system, the antibodies, and fails to look at all the other functions responsible for protecting your child’s health.

So, how does the immune system work?

The immune system is also made up of the skin, mucous membranes in the nose and throat, ears and eyes, nasal hairs, saliva, the spleen, intestines, tonsils, the thymus gland and even the brain. All of these parts work together in a holistic way to bring about a whole body immunity, which is only in part to do with antibodies.

• The skin acts as a barrier to prevent bacteria entering the body. It also filters out toxins through fever, which is the purpose of a fever when your child is ill.
• The nasal hairs prevent foreign particles from travelling up the nose, and the mucous membranes excrete a substance which is anti-bacterial.
• Tonsils help prevent respiratory diseases and illnesses such as Polio, and saliva contains substances which destroy and neutralise microbes.
• The spleen and intestines, among other organs, deposit fats and vitamins around the body and protect against viral and bacterial invasion.
• The thymus gland produces thymus cells, known as ‘T’ cells, which are antibodies to infection.
• There are various glands (nodes) in the body that drain it of toxins and useless material. For instance, the cervical nodes drain the head, neck and chest.
• The pituitary gland in the brain directs all of the systems above, so if the brain goes wrong, so does the immune system. It sends electrical impulses to all areas of the body, stimulating cell re-generation and muscle growth. These electrical impulses also stimulate the thymus gland – the centre of immune function.


What effect does vaccination have on this immune function?

Vaccination – the act of artificially acquiring a disease so as to become immune to it – is flawed in a number of ways. Firstly, a vaccine contains many hazardous chemicals and not just the viruses to immunise against. These each have their own toxic affect on the body. Secondly, the route of entry is different to a naturally occurring disease. Most natural diseases would enter through the mouth or the nasal cavity, not the skin.

Vaccination breaks the skin with a needle and injects foreign matter into the blood supply.
This bypasses the skin’s role in immune function, as well as the tonsils, the mucous membranes, and so on.

Normally, the body produces extra antibodies after being primed by the tonsils that there is impending infection. Therefore, if the infection takes hold, there will be an army of white blood cells, ready to neutralise the infection.

In the case of vaccination, this infection goes straight to the blood, with no prior build up for the body, and there are no extra immune cells to deal with it.

Also, with vaccination there is more than one disease present (e.g. measles, mumps, rubella all in one), whereas naturally a child would never contract 3 diseases at the same time. This puts additional strain on the immune system.

What problems can this cause?

Injection of vaccine via this unnatural route can use up 70% of the immune system’s resources, instead of the usual 3 to 4% with a wild occurring disease.

Because the body has no extra antibodies waiting to counter the vaccine, it can go into overdrive in an attempt to deal with the situation, taking much needed vitamins away from bones and other organs, to use for the production of more antibodies. This means that the other vital systems go short on vitamins, in extreme cases leading to bone fractures caused by the immune response leaching vitamins to cope with the vaccine. This lack of vitamins can also cause bruising and retinal bleeding and haemorrhaging, which is why some vaccine damaged babies have been falsely labelled as ‘shaken baby syndrome’ cases. These type of vaccine injuries are similar to those caused by trauma.

The massive surge of antibodies created by the vaccine can also cause the body to become hypersensitive and this is responsible for the increase in allergies and auto-immune diseases. Allergies are an over-exposure to toxic elements which the body is unable to cleanse itself of.
If the adrenals, which include the pancreas, the pituitary gland and the spleen, become over-stimulated, for instance, by vaccination, this can cause the body to become toxic and unable to regulate itself. This has been linked to heart disease, diabetes, asthma and bronchitis, to name a few. Over-stimulating the adrenals also causes a decrease in circulation of blood round the body, and atrophying of vascular vessels.

It is in this state of dysfunction and chemical overload, from vaccines, pollution, junk food, pharmaceutical drugs and so on, that our bodies become less able to stay healthy.

‘When the body is in its ideal state of harmony, there is no need for "immunity." In such a state of harmony and balance, the thymus functions properly as the central regulator for the proper digestion of elements and all that is taken into the body is digested and excreted.’ – (Stonebridge Associated Colleges, 2005).


In the time immediately following vaccination, when extra vitamins are being used up to fight the vaccine, this may actually make the person more susceptible to the disease. For instance, in the Merck, Sharp and Dohme LTD product information for HIB vaccine, it states: ‘Cases of Haemophilus B disease may occur in the weeks after vaccination’, and in Lederle Hibtiter information sheet, ‘Cases of HIB disease, although rare, may occur after vaccination.’ This is known as ‘PROVOCATION disease’, i.e. disease caused by vaccine.

Live vaccines are more likely to pass on the disease to their recipient or his close contacts, as the viruses are excreted in urine, faeces and saliva for upto 3 weeks after each shot.
The polio vaccine was changed from the live oral vaccine to part of the injectable, killed 5 in 1, because the only cases of polio in western countries were caused by the vaccine.

Vaccine caused diseases are often more severe than the naturally occurring disease. For instance, ATYPICAL measles, only got by vaccinated children, is much more serious because the vaccine suppresses the child’s rash, which is his means of excreting the toxins, and this leads to the toxins being pushed deeper into the body and affecting the major organs and sometimes the brain, as atypical measles encephalitis.

Vaccine viruses can also attach themselves to cells, organs and brain tissue and cause cancers, disabilities and brain injury, as in the cases of many children who become autistic and/or have seizure disorders after the MMR jab. Great Ormand Street Children’s Hospital tested one child (who suffered from seizures and became autistic at 15 months old following the MMR) at 13 years of age and found remains of vaccine viruses in the injured parts of his brain. (The Sunday Express, 6 October 2002).

Antibodies to brain tissue have also been found in blood tests of autistic children.

Disease Mutations

Even with inactivated vaccines, it is possible for the killed virus or bacteria to mutate into a different form of the disease. For instance, a 16 year old Canadian girl died of Meningitis B after her boyfriend had been given the Meningitis C vaccine. Lab tests confirmed that the vaccine can mutate into B form and infect both the recipient and his or her close contacts. (Pulse, doctor’s magazine, 20th November 1999).

Large numbers of chronic diseases have evolved in the place of infectious disease, since the introduction of mass vaccination, including ME, Lupus, Guillain-Barre Syndrome, Autism (previously known as Kanner Syndrome, discovered by Dr. Kanner in the 1940’s), MS, Ebola virus, AIDS, Lichen Planus, Vulvodynia and other hypersensitivity conditions, not to mention the rife and uncontrollable rates of cancer, heart disease, asthma, eczema and other allergies. Even meningitis was extremely rare before the 20th century.

We are killing ourselves in our quest to ‘prevent’ childhood illness, as mother nature is stronger than man, so tampering with immune function can have disastrous consequences for all.


Vaccines Cause Immune Suppression
Immunostimulation Versus Immunosuppression after Multiple Vaccinations: the Woes of Therapeutic Vaccine Development
Three articles in this issue of Clinical Cancer Research show how multiple vaccinations can lead to immunosuppression. Moreover, two studies in patients show that granulocyte macrophage colony-stimulating factor (GM-CSF) as an adjuvant immunostimulant to different kind of vaccines can lead to adverse outcome in terms of relapse-free and overall survival. Modulation of regulatory T-cell activity may be required to overcome this outcome and may be crucial for the successful development of therapeutic vaccines.

Source: (Clin Cancer Res 2009;15(22):6745–7)

Cancer Patients Injected With Cancer Vaccine Caused 'Early Melanoma Deaths'
Ninety-seven patients with resected melanoma (stage II-IV) were enrolled, stratified by stage, and randomized to receive a cellular melanoma vaccine with or without GM-CSF. The primary endpoint was delayed-type hypersensitivity (DTH) response to melanoma cells. Antibody responses, peripheral leukocyte counts, and survival were also examined.

Results: The GM-CSF arm showed enhanced antibody responses with an increase in IgM titer against the TA90 antigen and increased TA90 immune complexes. This arm also had diminished antimelanoma cell delayed-type hypersensitivity response. Peripheral blood leukocyte profiles showed increases in eosinophils and basophils with decreased monocytes in the GM-CSF arm. These immune changes were accompanied by an increase in early melanoma deaths and a trend toward worse survival with GM-CSF.

Conclusion: These data suggest that GM-CSF is not helpful as an immune adjuvant in this dose and schedule and raise concern that it may be harmful. Based on the discordant findings of an immune endpoint and clinical outcome, the use of such surrogate endpoints in selecting treatments for further evaluation must be done with a great deal of caution.

Source: (Clin Cancer Res 2009;15(22):7029–35)

Partial CD4 Depletion Reduces Regulatory T Cells Induced by Multiple Vaccinations
Results: Multiple vaccinations, rather than boosting the immune response, significantly reduced therapeutic efficacy of adoptive immunotherapy and were associated with an increased frequency and absolute number of CD3+CD4+Foxp3+ T regulatory (Treg) cells. Anti-CD4 administration reduced the absolute number of Treg cells 9-fold. Effector T-cells generated from anti-CD4–treated mice were significantly (P < 0.0001) more therapeutic in adoptive transfer studies than T cells from multiply vaccinated animals with a full complement of CD4+ cells.

Conclusion: These results suggest that CD4+ Treg cells limit the efficacy of multiple vaccinations and that timed partial depletion of CD4+ T cells may reduce suppression and “tip-the-balance” in favor of therapeutic antitumor immunity. The recent failure of large phase III cancer vaccine clinical trials, wherein patients received multiple vaccines, underscores the potential clinical relevance of these findings.

Source: (Clin Cancer Res 2009;15(22):6881–90)

momto2boys973
by Ruby Member on Jan. 6, 2013 at 10:11 AM
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Quoting aimlee:



"this is such an uncalled for comment!! wtf goes through your head?"

I agree. As strongly pro-vax as I am, I don't approve of cheap fear tactics to make a point. It gives the impression facts aren't in the favor of that position when they are.
Rebecca7708
by Platinum Member on Jan. 6, 2013 at 10:12 AM
This is what we did. Our pediatrician worked with us to determine what we wanted our kids to have and what we felt comfortable waiting on. You really have to decide on what is best for your family.


Quoting momof6nokc:

Read, read, read.

Educate yourself.

Talk to other mothers.

Make a decision that is best for you and your family.

And vaccination is not an all or nothing decision. YOu can choose to vaccinate selectively, or on a slower schedule, etc.

All of my children are fully vaccinated though I declined the Hep B in the hospital---I'm not a drug user, I don't have hepatitis and my newborn is not having unprotected sex :o)  I waited to get that vax. 

My last child has autism and his pediatrician and I made a decision to slow down his vaccine schedule.  DS was completely vaccinated before school started and that is all that matters as far as school regs.


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momto2boys973
by Ruby Member on Jan. 6, 2013 at 10:12 AM
Quoting Anonymous:

Because vaccines are created by alien lifeforms and their sole purpose is to make us taste better when the invasion starts!  Seriously go do actual research instead of asking on here!




I really hope this is sarcastic...
RMB2011
by Platinum Member on Jan. 6, 2013 at 10:13 AM
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aimlee
by Silver Member on Jan. 6, 2013 at 10:16 AM

i agree completely with you. I vaccinate my kids but some people take things way too far. 

Quoting momto2boys973:


Quoting aimlee:



"this is such an uncalled for comment!! wtf goes through your head?"

I agree. As strongly pro-vax as I am, I don't approve of cheap fear tactics to make a point. It gives the impression facts aren't in the favor of that position when they are.


Anonymous
by Anonymous on Jan. 6, 2013 at 10:17 AM
No, those cell have been REPLICATED. Thy are NOT actually aborted fetus cells anymore. Apparently you need to do some research too. Formaldehyde is in the body already its also in shampoos, hand soaps, etc. (and this is where I know you'll give me the whole "but we only use natural products, none of that processed crap." Crap.) and aluminum is in a lot of products as well, so even if you don't vax you're STILL absorbing these things into your body.

Quoting Anonymous:

lots of vaccines have toxins in them. Lots of them are made from aborted fetuses.

Anonymous
by Anonymous on Jan. 6, 2013 at 10:20 AM

The alien part was sarcasm but I do think she should be doing real research instead of asking on here!

Quoting momto2boys973:

Quoting Anonymous:

Because vaccines are created by alien lifeforms and their sole purpose is to make us taste better when the invasion starts!  Seriously go do actual research instead of asking on here!




I really hope this is sarcastic...


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