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Can anyone disprove some of the theories of Sandy Hook hoax? **4th edit, purple ** third edit in green/ cross out

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woah... got up in the top convos!

ETA:  I never expected to get so many responses to this.  I'm way behind, and will need some time to catch up, answer, and read/ look into responses.  I do hope that people are starting to be a little more respectful, the intent of this post was NOT to start drama, I was simply asking for some facts to disprove some of the stuff I saw.  Thank you to those who provided that without being raging jerks about it.  From what I HAVE seen, my opinion now is that there are aspects of it being hidden still.... but it's nowhere near as big of a deal as some of these theories out here, especially the Temple of Whatever one.  Eeeeek.  I promise I will get back to people as soon as I possibly can, and please remember to try to be a little respectful here, people were killed!  I for one am not denying that.  


I'm really asking here.... I didn't believe this at first... but now... what the heck??  Does anyone have anything to add?  Disproving or with more info... whatever you'd like.  Very brief summary of the stuff I'm talking about.... will give further details if asked.  

*To be clear:  I don't think that nothing happened.... and all of this sickens me.  I just don't understand some of this stuff.....*

1.  No footage released, with other school shootings it was blasted all over the media almost immediately- stills or small clips - for varying reasons.  Still think this one is odd.  I still think this is weird

2.  The freakin ME.... saying they were on the 2nd floor... all the victims he knew of were shot "with the long gun".... the man seemed drunk, and deflected questions.  Still not sure about this one either.  Granted, small town, he was probably nervous as shit.... but still.  Some of the stuff he said is being disproved.... like the weapons used for starters.  I don't like this guy still, again, get that he's nervous.... but come on.  He repeatedly said a type of weapon was used that apparenlty wasn't!

3.  The one father pretty much laughing before his conference (not knowing cameras were on yet) then visibily turning on emotion.  (btw, he's not 57 years old... like public record shows)  Alright alright, I should have clarified - I get that people react to things differently.  Why would he drum up the emotion though before the interview started?  You would think that's something that would just happen on its own... I still say that I understand that people handle grief differently, but his behavior was odd.  Sure, he could have been gathering himself, but he seemed plenty under control.   

4.  The little girl with Obama looking exactly the same (same dress as her dead sister.... I couldn't do that as a mother) I'm personally comfortable with the explanations provided..... For those asking for proof - I don't have a specific link.  Please look at the pictures for yourself, the sisters look similar, yes, but they are not the same person. 

5.  4 handguns found inside now - but it was stated clearly over and over that they were shot with a larger gun - that was out in the trunk  to me, this is the biggest question remaining.  Still the biggest question for me.  

6.  The car he used not being his moms  granted, he could have stolen it.... but really.... doesn't seem likely. I'm going to cross this out (4th update) - assuming it's true it was someone the mother knew.... alright, coulda been borrowing the car.  We don't know their life.  (I reminded myself of baby mama movie there) 

7.  What about the people chased through the woods?  (video footage)  still not sure about this one, yeah, people run when chased even if they are innocent.... but why was it never explained? I'll cross this out for the 4th edit, I still think that someone would have explained this better with so many questions being asked.  Actually no, I'm not crossing it out.  It's a valid question still, though the explanations are certainly feasible.  

8. The aerial views of the scene - no children.  None.  No one in a hurry.  There's not any footage of the scene either, there's 1 still shot of kids being led, with all the news coverage.... it just doesn't seem right.  I get that it was locked down, but that wasn't permanent.  Would like someone to provide a link if they can that shows anything to the contrary - may have already happened, but I haven't seen it yet. I'm about 300 replies behind at this point.  At least.

9.  The report that showed a stretcher with a sheet over it being wheeled a few minutes down the road where the ambulances could actually get to.... which encompasses a ton of issues in itself  Still weird - I can't find a short video with this clip in it, in the 24 minute one, just look at it, tell me something isn't off there.  A family member of mine is an EMT, I checked with him about this, and according to him, emergency vehicles are NOT restricted access.  So is there another explanation?  (yes, I'm aware different areas can have different rules)

10.  The guy that had the 6 kids or whatever in his house..... why would an adult leave them there, he lived PAST the fire house, his story varies from female to male, and who just brings kids into the house and doesn't call the cops after hearing gun shots?  and why did he have a fatality list... when it wans't released until 2 days after he was interviewed?  His interview makes no damn sense still, but I get the list was released to the town before media, so I scratched that one out.  Does anyone have any further questions about this one?

11.  The kid describing the events as it sounding like someone was pounding on a door.... no mention of anything else except banging.  (which, would be a blessing if that's true... but why wouldn't he hear anyone scream?)  I don't think anyone touched on this??  Except for one answer about an echo  Ehhhh... okay.  Crossing it on the 4th edit.  

12.  how this scrawny ass kid with mental issues succesfully killed so many people with a hand gun.  Not that easy to hit moving targets, and I doubt that everyone just sat there.   still wondering this.  Target practice or not.... stunned victims or not... that's a lot to pull off, especially for this kid in the amount of time he did it.   

13.  How did he have a valid ID of his brother on him if he hadn't seen him in years?  VALID ID.... not just an ID.  ID's expire, ya know.   One poster said that hers didn't expire for 30 years - not being rude, but I don't think Ryan was old enough to have an ID like this.  Though, I realize it might have literally nothing to do with what happened, I just find it odd.  

14.  Why was his computer smashed to shit?  alright, guess this doesn't REALLY matter.... i'll scratch it out.

15.  Who was sitting in the front of the police car?  no one sits in the front of police cars - anyone have an answer on that?  I think in mass confusion, even if someone was not really a suspect.... police always err on the side of caution, and would put someone in the back.  When an ex of mine got arrested, I was a minor and happened to be with him, they put me in the back of a car just for transport so my parents could pick me up.  


ETA #16:  Why did NO parent see their childs body?  I get it... but not a single one?  Someone stated that Noah's mother did - is there links to this info?

ETA #17:   Go do this.   

1) Go to google.

2) Search using this phrase "sandy hook united way"
3) On the results page, right under the search bar where you can choose images, web, etc, there should be a choice that says "search tools" at the far right. Click it.
4) You should see a bar underneath "search tools" pop up. There should be a choice that says "any time". Click it.
5) The drop-down box lists a choice for custom range at the bottom. Choose this.
6) A dialog with a from and to date should appear. Use the calendar on the right side of the dialog box and choose December 11th, 2012 for the to and from date. This limits the results of your Google search to pages that were indexed on that date.
7) Click "go" in the dialog. You should now be seeing the results for your search query indexed on that date. In the top few results, if not the very first, you should see the United Way page for the Sandy Hook school.

Full text:  

United Way extends our most sincere condolences and prayers to all those families affected by the devastating events in Newtown/Sandy Hook, Connecticut. While the eyes of the world may be on Newtown/Sandy Hook, to several staff, volunteers and contributors, Newtown is home. We will stand with the community and everyone affected directly and indirectly by this tragic event as we face the days and weeks ahead.

United Way of Western Connecticut is committed to providing support and resources where and when they become identified and needed. As people from our area and beyond respond to this heartbreaking tragedy, they are turning to United Way looking for ways to help. In response, United Way of Western Connecticut in partnership with Newtown Savings Bank has created the ‘Sandy Hook School Support Fund’ that will be able to provide support services to the families and community that has been affected.    

Disproved ^ makes sense that it was google error.   For those asking, there is a long history of cache errors.... please look into it.  

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Again - I WANT to be disproved.  If I argue back, it will be with video or clips.  I want someone to prove me wrong about this... I'm arguing as devils advocate, though I believe that some of this can't be just explained away.  I understand that in a chaotic event, things get mixed up, people react their own ways, etc... but some of this is too weird.  

Posted by Anonymous on Jan. 14, 2013 at 10:53 PM
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ccnstanczak
by Gold Member on Jan. 14, 2013 at 11:57 PM

 the car wasnt his moms. its registered to someone else who is or has connections to a weapons raid. the car owner has a rap sheet and connections and formally neighbors or famiy that is neighbors with the Lanzas.

im a little foggy on the details, i somehow stumbled on a forum that was discussing the car. im like what??? im sorry i dont have a link. i just found that odd but it could be as innocent as nancy buying the car cause the guy needed cash to skip town and they never got around to going to the dmv. but that begs the ? of did the lanzas know or involved in this guys connection and backround?

LucyHarper
by on Jan. 14, 2013 at 11:58 PM
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1.  No footage released, with other school shootings it was blasted all over the media almost immediately- stills or small clips - for varying reasons.- These are younger kids, so more media involved, its a bigger story, its also been years since the last school shooting of this level, so media has changed.

2.  The freakin ME.... saying they were on the 2nd floor... all the victims he knew of were shot "with the long gun".... the man seemed drunk, and deflected questions. - He's a guy who works with dead bodies all day, he is not going to be a people person, what I saw was nervous chuckles and a guy who wasn't used to being on camera. 

3.  The one father pretty much laughing before his conference (not knowing cameras were on yet) then visibily turning on emotion.  (btw, he's not 57 years old... like public record shows)- Who knows what was said to him right beforehand, maybe someone offered condolences and he was giving a reassuring smile, what I saw was him preparing to talk about his dead child, not "turning on emotion", I would have to take a few deep breaths too before going before the camera with something like that.

4.  The little girl with Obama looking exactly the same (same dress as her dead sister.... I couldn't do that as a mother)- It's her sister, they look a lot alike, but if you look closely at her face and the family photo that was released, its clearly her sister, the middle child. 

5.  4 handguns found inside now - but it was stated clearly over and over that they were shot with a larger gun - that was out in the trunk- they found a large gun in the truck, if you look at the video of them pulling it out, its clearly not the rifle they are talking about, he obviously had two, one in the car, one in the building.

6.  The car he used not being his moms- so he borrowed someone elses car, big whoop. 

7.  What about the people chased through the woods?  (video footage)- easily explainable, someone was walking by the school, saw the commotion, came over to see what was going on, the cops see him and go after him to make sure hes not a danger, he runs. 

8. The aerial views of the scene - no children.  None.  No one in a hurry.  There's not any footage of the scene either, there's 1 still shot of kids being led, with all the news coverage.... it just doesn't seem right. - Why would the kids be walking around outside? They were obviously still in the building, had been picked up by their parents, or in the firehouse. That footage was taken a while after the shooting was over.

9.  The report that showed a stretcher with a sheet over it being wheeled a few minutes down the road where the ambulances could actually get to.... which encompasses a ton of issues in itself- That shot was in front of the fire house, across the street from the school where the emergency crew were set up.

10.  The guy that had the 6 kids or whatever in his house..... why would an adult leave them there, he lived PAST the fire house, his story varies from female to male, and who just brings kids into the house and doesn't call the cops after hearing gun shots?  and why did he have a fatality list... when it wans't released until 2 days after he was interviewed?- That was immediately after the shooting. The fire house easily could have not been set up yet and the guy found them wandering, so he asked the guy to watch them while he went back. He was involved, he easily could have seen a version of the fatality list before it was released to the public.

11.  The kid describing the events as it sounding like someone was pounding on a door.... no mention of anything else except banging.  (which, would be a blessing if that's true... but why wouldn't he hear anyone scream?)- The kid was six, so what if it sounded like a pounding door to him. He could have been across the school, gun shots are loud, he might have been far enough away that he couldnt hear screaming but close enough to hear the echo of the shots.

12.  how this scrawny ass kid with mental issues succesfully killed so many people with a hand gun.  Not that easy to hit moving targets, and I doubt that everyone just sat there. - a scrawny kid whose mother was active with guns and took him to the gun range, so he knew how to aim. They were in a confined classroom, its not that hard to hit a target thats right in front of you, 100 shots were shot off and he used the rifle, not the handgun.

13.  How did he have a valid ID of his brother on him if he hadn't seen him in years?- Easy, old ID. People dont change that much in four years, he could have just found it in his moms house.

14.  Why was his computer smashed to shit?  

15.  Who was sitting in the front of the police car?- The guy from earlier, who they caught and then realized he was just a bystander.


ETA #16:  Why did NO parent see their childs body?  I get it... but not a single one?- They did later on, why would the police show the bodies before having accurate id's of each child?

Anonymous
by Anonymous - Original Poster on Jan. 15, 2013 at 12:05 AM

I know, no offense taken.... I'm just saying.   I want this to disproved.  

Quoting winkyloafer:

Note I never said anything about you.


Quoting Anonymous:

I'm asking you to prove that I'm being a dipshit... how often does that happen on here?  PROVE I'm a dipshit.  


Quoting winkyloafer:

Why are there not more in here? They are so much more interesting than these dipshit hoaxes.





Quoting Nicoleb9:

Boobs





Anonymous
by Anonymous - Original Poster on Jan. 15, 2013 at 12:07 AM

Quoting smalltowngal:

I don't have the link anymore but I'm guessing if you googled it, you could find it. Supposedly, there was a company that gave their sympathy to the families of Sandy Hook two days before the incident happened. I have a lot of foreign friends that think the details don't make sense but I haven't looked into it too much. 


Mrs.Winchester
by on Jan. 15, 2013 at 12:11 AM
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Funny how things like this happen during a time of a breaking economy and occupy wallstreet.  You know, the reason that we have the right to bear arms in the constitution isn't so we can go out and hunt.  It's so we can protect ourselves from our own government.  I hate to put on my tin-foil hat so early in the morning but I do think that losing gun rights could be a very scary thing for our country.

1stpreggers
by on Jan. 15, 2013 at 12:11 AM
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This post is awful.
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smalltowngal
by Gold Member on Jan. 15, 2013 at 12:13 AM

Yes, that was it. Apparently there are some big conspiracy theories out there about United Way too. 

Quoting Anonymous:

Quoting smalltowngal:

I don't have the link anymore but I'm guessing if you googled it, you could find it. Supposedly, there was a company that gave their sympathy to the families of Sandy Hook two days before the incident happened. I have a lot of foreign friends that think the details don't make sense but I haven't looked into it too much. 



Aleta775
by on Jan. 15, 2013 at 12:14 AM
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Yeah. People say The Holocaust didn't happen. Is that a bunch of bullshit too? 

Quoting Anonymous:

Alright sweetheart.  I'm only gonna say this once to you.  I do NOT think that children weren't killed, and I do NOT think there isn't suffering families.  I understand that raising questions has to be difficult for them.... and I do so regretfully.  This isn't about families, or deaths, it's about information.  I'm not going to acknowledge that bullshit again.  

Quoting Anonymous:

I'm sure the parents who had funerals for their children would love to explain themselves to you.



Anonymous
by Anonymous on Jan. 15, 2013 at 12:14 AM
What video?
I saw a video, it was actually to prove it was a set up, where they had the family picture shoeing all 3 girls and they put that pic on top of the Obama one. The family picture started to fade away to show it was emilie with Obama. To me, it looks exactly the same...but again, I could be wrong. I do think it was a setup, I'm just not sure I believe that particular piece of info.


Quoting Anonymous:

So... what does that mean to you?  The girls do look very much alike in the picture (sisters) so its possible we're just seeing wrong, yes.  But I don't know!  Also, there was video, wasn't there?  Or am I remembering that wrong....


Quoting StrawberryCool:

Doesnt look shopped.



And I can tell shopped pics





Quoting Anonymous:

I wish I could sit here and disprove it, but I can't. I'm one of the ones who believe it was some kind of set up.

However, that picture of that girl with obama...seems like a strong possibly of photoshop. I don't really buy that one. She's in the exact same position, exact same facial expressions, as she was in tthe family picture.





silverdawn99
by Ruby Member on Jan. 15, 2013 at 12:15 AM
how do you know uteri families didn't see the bodies? Was you there every second?

Quoting Anonymous:

I'm really asking here.... I didn't believe this at first... but now... what the heck??  Does anyone have anything to add?  Disproving or with more info... whatever you'd like.  Very brief summary of the stuff I'm talking about.... will give further details if asked.  

*To be clear:  I don't think that nothing happened.... and all of this sickens me.  I just don't understand some of this stuff.....*

1.  No footage released, with other school shootings it was blasted all over the media almost immediately- stills or small clips - for varying reasons.

2.  The freakin ME.... saying they were on the 2nd floor... all the victims he knew of were shot "with the long gun".... the man seemed drunk, and deflected questions.  

3.  The one father pretty much laughing before his conference (not knowing cameras were on yet) then visibily turning on emotion.  (btw, he's not 57 years old... like public record shows)

4.  The little girl with Obama looking exactly the same (same dress as her dead sister.... I couldn't do that as a mother)

5.  4 handguns found inside now - but it was stated clearly over and over that they were shot with a larger gun - that was out in the trunk

6.  The car he used not being his moms

7.  What about the people chased through the woods?  (video footage)

8. The aerial views of the scene - no children.  None.  No one in a hurry.  There's not any footage of the scene either, there's 1 still shot of kids being led, with all the news coverage.... it just doesn't seem right.  

9.  The report that showed a stretcher with a sheet over it being wheeled a few minutes down the road where the ambulances could actually get to.... which encompasses a ton of issues in itself

10.  The guy that had the 6 kids or whatever in his house..... why would an adult leave them there, he lived PAST the fire house, his story varies from female to male, and who just brings kids into the house and doesn't call the cops after hearing gun shots?  and why did he have a fatality list... when it wans't released until 2 days after he was interviewed?

11.  The kid describing the events as it sounding like someone was pounding on a door.... no mention of anything else except banging.  (which, would be a blessing if that's true... but why wouldn't he hear anyone scream?)

12.  how this scrawny ass kid with mental issues succesfully killed so many people with a hand gun.  Not that easy to hit moving targets, and I doubt that everyone just sat there.  

13.  How did he have a valid ID of his brother on him if he hadn't seen him in years?

14.  Why was his computer smashed to shit?  

15.  Who was sitting in the front of the police car?


ETA #16:  Why did NO parent see their childs body?  I get it... but not a single one?

ETA #17:   Go do this.   

1) Go to google.

2) Search using this phrase "sandy hook united way"
3) On the results page, right under the search bar where you can choose images, web, etc, there should be a choice that says "search tools" at the far right. Click it.
4) You should see a bar underneath "search tools" pop up. There should be a choice that says "any time". Click it.
5) The drop-down box lists a choice for custom range at the bottom. Choose this.
6) A dialog with a from and to date should appear. Use the calendar on the right side of the dialog box and choose December 11th, 2012 for the to and from date. This limits the results of your Google search to pages that were indexed on that date.
7) Click "go" in the dialog. You should now be seeing the results for your search query indexed on that date. In the top few results, if not the very first, you should see the United Way page for the Sandy Hook school.

Full text:  

United Way extends our most sincere condolences and prayers to all those families affected by the devastating events in Newtown/Sandy Hook, Connecticut. While the eyes of the world may be on Newtown/Sandy Hook, to several staff, volunteers and contributors, Newtown is home. We will stand with the community and everyone affected directly and indirectly by this tragic event as we face the days and weeks ahead.

United Way of Western Connecticut is committed to providing support and resources where and when they become identified and needed. As people from our area and beyond respond to this heartbreaking tragedy, they are turning to United Way looking for ways to help. In response, United Way of Western Connecticut in partnership with Newtown Savings Bank has created the ‘Sandy Hook School Support Fund’ that will be able to provide support services to the families and community that has been affected.

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Again - I WANT to be disproved.  If I argue back, it will be with video or clips.  I want someone to prove me wrong about this... I'm arguing as devils advocate, though I believe that some of this can't be just explained away.  I understand that in a chaotic event, things get mixed up, people react their own ways, etc... but some of this is too weird.  

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