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Can anyone disprove some of the theories of Sandy Hook hoax? **4th edit, purple ** third edit in green/ cross out

Posted by Anonymous   + Show Post

woah... got up in the top convos!

ETA:  I never expected to get so many responses to this.  I'm way behind, and will need some time to catch up, answer, and read/ look into responses.  I do hope that people are starting to be a little more respectful, the intent of this post was NOT to start drama, I was simply asking for some facts to disprove some of the stuff I saw.  Thank you to those who provided that without being raging jerks about it.  From what I HAVE seen, my opinion now is that there are aspects of it being hidden still.... but it's nowhere near as big of a deal as some of these theories out here, especially the Temple of Whatever one.  Eeeeek.  I promise I will get back to people as soon as I possibly can, and please remember to try to be a little respectful here, people were killed!  I for one am not denying that.  


I'm really asking here.... I didn't believe this at first... but now... what the heck??  Does anyone have anything to add?  Disproving or with more info... whatever you'd like.  Very brief summary of the stuff I'm talking about.... will give further details if asked.  

*To be clear:  I don't think that nothing happened.... and all of this sickens me.  I just don't understand some of this stuff.....*

1.  No footage released, with other school shootings it was blasted all over the media almost immediately- stills or small clips - for varying reasons.  Still think this one is odd.  I still think this is weird

2.  The freakin ME.... saying they were on the 2nd floor... all the victims he knew of were shot "with the long gun".... the man seemed drunk, and deflected questions.  Still not sure about this one either.  Granted, small town, he was probably nervous as shit.... but still.  Some of the stuff he said is being disproved.... like the weapons used for starters.  I don't like this guy still, again, get that he's nervous.... but come on.  He repeatedly said a type of weapon was used that apparenlty wasn't!

3.  The one father pretty much laughing before his conference (not knowing cameras were on yet) then visibily turning on emotion.  (btw, he's not 57 years old... like public record shows)  Alright alright, I should have clarified - I get that people react to things differently.  Why would he drum up the emotion though before the interview started?  You would think that's something that would just happen on its own... I still say that I understand that people handle grief differently, but his behavior was odd.  Sure, he could have been gathering himself, but he seemed plenty under control.   

4.  The little girl with Obama looking exactly the same (same dress as her dead sister.... I couldn't do that as a mother) I'm personally comfortable with the explanations provided..... For those asking for proof - I don't have a specific link.  Please look at the pictures for yourself, the sisters look similar, yes, but they are not the same person. 

5.  4 handguns found inside now - but it was stated clearly over and over that they were shot with a larger gun - that was out in the trunk  to me, this is the biggest question remaining.  Still the biggest question for me.  

6.  The car he used not being his moms  granted, he could have stolen it.... but really.... doesn't seem likely. I'm going to cross this out (4th update) - assuming it's true it was someone the mother knew.... alright, coulda been borrowing the car.  We don't know their life.  (I reminded myself of baby mama movie there) 

7.  What about the people chased through the woods?  (video footage)  still not sure about this one, yeah, people run when chased even if they are innocent.... but why was it never explained? I'll cross this out for the 4th edit, I still think that someone would have explained this better with so many questions being asked.  Actually no, I'm not crossing it out.  It's a valid question still, though the explanations are certainly feasible.  

8. The aerial views of the scene - no children.  None.  No one in a hurry.  There's not any footage of the scene either, there's 1 still shot of kids being led, with all the news coverage.... it just doesn't seem right.  I get that it was locked down, but that wasn't permanent.  Would like someone to provide a link if they can that shows anything to the contrary - may have already happened, but I haven't seen it yet. I'm about 300 replies behind at this point.  At least.

9.  The report that showed a stretcher with a sheet over it being wheeled a few minutes down the road where the ambulances could actually get to.... which encompasses a ton of issues in itself  Still weird - I can't find a short video with this clip in it, in the 24 minute one, just look at it, tell me something isn't off there.  A family member of mine is an EMT, I checked with him about this, and according to him, emergency vehicles are NOT restricted access.  So is there another explanation?  (yes, I'm aware different areas can have different rules)

10.  The guy that had the 6 kids or whatever in his house..... why would an adult leave them there, he lived PAST the fire house, his story varies from female to male, and who just brings kids into the house and doesn't call the cops after hearing gun shots?  and why did he have a fatality list... when it wans't released until 2 days after he was interviewed?  His interview makes no damn sense still, but I get the list was released to the town before media, so I scratched that one out.  Does anyone have any further questions about this one?

11.  The kid describing the events as it sounding like someone was pounding on a door.... no mention of anything else except banging.  (which, would be a blessing if that's true... but why wouldn't he hear anyone scream?)  I don't think anyone touched on this??  Except for one answer about an echo  Ehhhh... okay.  Crossing it on the 4th edit.  

12.  how this scrawny ass kid with mental issues succesfully killed so many people with a hand gun.  Not that easy to hit moving targets, and I doubt that everyone just sat there.   still wondering this.  Target practice or not.... stunned victims or not... that's a lot to pull off, especially for this kid in the amount of time he did it.   

13.  How did he have a valid ID of his brother on him if he hadn't seen him in years?  VALID ID.... not just an ID.  ID's expire, ya know.   One poster said that hers didn't expire for 30 years - not being rude, but I don't think Ryan was old enough to have an ID like this.  Though, I realize it might have literally nothing to do with what happened, I just find it odd.  

14.  Why was his computer smashed to shit?  alright, guess this doesn't REALLY matter.... i'll scratch it out.

15.  Who was sitting in the front of the police car?  no one sits in the front of police cars - anyone have an answer on that?  I think in mass confusion, even if someone was not really a suspect.... police always err on the side of caution, and would put someone in the back.  When an ex of mine got arrested, I was a minor and happened to be with him, they put me in the back of a car just for transport so my parents could pick me up.  


ETA #16:  Why did NO parent see their childs body?  I get it... but not a single one?  Someone stated that Noah's mother did - is there links to this info?

ETA #17:   Go do this.   

1) Go to google.

2) Search using this phrase "sandy hook united way"
3) On the results page, right under the search bar where you can choose images, web, etc, there should be a choice that says "search tools" at the far right. Click it.
4) You should see a bar underneath "search tools" pop up. There should be a choice that says "any time". Click it.
5) The drop-down box lists a choice for custom range at the bottom. Choose this.
6) A dialog with a from and to date should appear. Use the calendar on the right side of the dialog box and choose December 11th, 2012 for the to and from date. This limits the results of your Google search to pages that were indexed on that date.
7) Click "go" in the dialog. You should now be seeing the results for your search query indexed on that date. In the top few results, if not the very first, you should see the United Way page for the Sandy Hook school.

Full text:  

United Way extends our most sincere condolences and prayers to all those families affected by the devastating events in Newtown/Sandy Hook, Connecticut. While the eyes of the world may be on Newtown/Sandy Hook, to several staff, volunteers and contributors, Newtown is home. We will stand with the community and everyone affected directly and indirectly by this tragic event as we face the days and weeks ahead.

United Way of Western Connecticut is committed to providing support and resources where and when they become identified and needed. As people from our area and beyond respond to this heartbreaking tragedy, they are turning to United Way looking for ways to help. In response, United Way of Western Connecticut in partnership with Newtown Savings Bank has created the ‘Sandy Hook School Support Fund’ that will be able to provide support services to the families and community that has been affected.    

Disproved ^ makes sense that it was google error.   For those asking, there is a long history of cache errors.... please look into it.  

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Again - I WANT to be disproved.  If I argue back, it will be with video or clips.  I want someone to prove me wrong about this... I'm arguing as devils advocate, though I believe that some of this can't be just explained away.  I understand that in a chaotic event, things get mixed up, people react their own ways, etc... but some of this is too weird.  

Posted by Anonymous on Jan. 14, 2013 at 10:53 PM
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Anonymous
by Anonymous 93 on Jan. 16, 2013 at 1:46 PM

You all crazy ass people think this shotting was planned oor something.  Prove me wrong

Quoting Anonymous:

Yeah not gonna even waste the time.


Now run and say you won this argument.

Quoting Anonymous:

I am not so again prove me wrong

Quoting Anonymous:

Umm because you are lying.

Quoting Anonymous:

And how is that.  Prove me wrong.

Quoting Anonymous:

you, my dear, have already invalidated yourself.  thanks for your input, but it means nothing anymore.  

Quoting Anonymous:

#16 is wrong.  My sister and I both saw my nephews body

Quoting Anonymous:

woah... got up in the top convos!


I'm really asking here.... I didn't believe this at first... but now... what the heck??  Does anyone have anything to add?  Disproving or with more info... whatever you'd like.  Very brief summary of the stuff I'm talking about.... will give further details if asked.  

*To be clear:  I don't think that nothing happened.... and all of this sickens me.  I just don't understand some of this stuff.....*

1.  No footage released, with other school shootings it was blasted all over the media almost immediately- stills or small clips - for varying reasons.  Still think this one is odd.  

2.  The freakin ME.... saying they were on the 2nd floor... all the victims he knew of were shot "with the long gun".... the man seemed drunk, and deflected questions.  Still not sure about this one either.  Granted, small town, he was probably nervous as shit.... but still.  Some of the stuff he said is being disproved.... like the weapons used for starters.  

3.  The one father pretty much laughing before his conference (not knowing cameras were on yet) then visibily turning on emotion.  (btw, he's not 57 years old... like public record shows)  Alright alright, I should have clarified - I get that people react to things differently.  Why would he drum up the emotion though before the interview started?  You would think that's something that would just happen on its own...

4.  The little girl with Obama looking exactly the same (same dress as her dead sister.... I couldn't do that as a mother) I'm personally comfortable with the explanations provided..... 

5.  4 handguns found inside now - but it was stated clearly over and over that they were shot with a larger gun - that was out in the trunk  to me, this is the biggest question remaining.  

6.  The car he used not being his moms  granted, he could have stolen it.... but really.... doesn't seem likely.  

7.  What about the people chased through the woods?  (video footage)  still not sure about this one, yeah, people run when chased even if they are innocent.... but why was it never explained?

8. The aerial views of the scene - no children.  None.  No one in a hurry.  There's not any footage of the scene either, there's 1 still shot of kids being led, with all the news coverage.... it just doesn't seem right.  I get that it was locked down, but that wasn't permanent.  

9.  The report that showed a stretcher with a sheet over it being wheeled a few minutes down the road where the ambulances could actually get to.... which encompasses a ton of issues in itself  Still weird - I can't find a short video with this clip in it, in the 24 minute one, just look at it, tell me something isn't off there.  

10.  The guy that had the 6 kids or whatever in his house..... why would an adult leave them there, he lived PAST the fire house, his story varies from female to male, and who just brings kids into the house and doesn't call the cops after hearing gun shots?  and why did he have a fatality list... when it wans't released until 2 days after he was interviewed?  His interview makes no damn sense still, but I get the list was released to the town before media, so I scratched that one out.  

11.  The kid describing the events as it sounding like someone was pounding on a door.... no mention of anything else except banging.  (which, would be a blessing if that's true... but why wouldn't he hear anyone scream?)  I don't think anyone touched on this??  Except for one answer about an echo

12.  how this scrawny ass kid with mental issues succesfully killed so many people with a hand gun.  Not that easy to hit moving targets, and I doubt that everyone just sat there.   still wondering this.  

13.  How did he have a valid ID of his brother on him if he hadn't seen him in years?  VALID ID.... not just an ID.  ID's expire, ya know.  

14.  Why was his computer smashed to shit?  alright, guess this doesn't REALLY matter.... i'll scratch it out.

15.  Who was sitting in the front of the police car?  no one sits in the front of police cars - anyone have an answer on that?


ETA #16:  Why did NO parent see their childs body?  I get it... but not a single one?

ETA #17:   Go do this.   

1) Go to google.

2) Search using this phrase "sandy hook united way"
3) On the results page, right under the search bar where you can choose images, web, etc, there should be a choice that says "search tools" at the far right. Click it.
4) You should see a bar underneath "search tools" pop up. There should be a choice that says "any time". Click it.
5) The drop-down box lists a choice for custom range at the bottom. Choose this.
6) A dialog with a from and to date should appear. Use the calendar on the right side of the dialog box and choose December 11th, 2012 for the to and from date. This limits the results of your Google search to pages that were indexed on that date.
7) Click "go" in the dialog. You should now be seeing the results for your search query indexed on that date. In the top few results, if not the very first, you should see the United Way page for the Sandy Hook school.

Full text:  

United Way extends our most sincere condolences and prayers to all those families affected by the devastating events in Newtown/Sandy Hook, Connecticut. While the eyes of the world may be on Newtown/Sandy Hook, to several staff, volunteers and contributors, Newtown is home. We will stand with the community and everyone affected directly and indirectly by this tragic event as we face the days and weeks ahead.

United Way of Western Connecticut is committed to providing support and resources where and when they become identified and needed. As people from our area and beyond respond to this heartbreaking tragedy, they are turning to United Way looking for ways to help. In response, United Way of Western Connecticut in partnership with Newtown Savings Bank has created the ‘Sandy Hook School Support Fund’ that will be able to provide support services to the families and community that has been affected.    

Disproved ^ makes sense that it was google error.   

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Again - I WANT to be disproved.  If I argue back, it will be with video or clips.  I want someone to prove me wrong about this... I'm arguing as devils advocate, though I believe that some of this can't be just explained away.  I understand that in a chaotic event, things get mixed up, people react their own ways, etc... but some of this is too weird.  








Anonymous
by Anonymous 96 on Jan. 16, 2013 at 1:47 PM

I wanna know why the hell they had a fema and homeland security  training thing that same day that same time to train for " planning for the needs of children in disasters"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlWi97yBRAc

No offense to any of the families my family had lost someone in the shooting at fort hood too and it was devastating but damn when there is sooo much evidence out there that doesnt add up, dont just close your eyes and act like oh yeah our president and govt is awesome they would never lie to us never ever . Are you kidding me! If i had lost a family member to this as well i would be sooo pissed off it wouldnt even be funny . two emotions i would have Anger and Sadness 

Knowledge is power and the less people that sit blindly the better . Something is going on im not doubting this was a terrible horrific tragedy it most certainly was . What pisses me off is all of the trying to cover everything up , Just like with every other tragedy that has happened there are people who sit blindly by and then there are people who dont just sit like lil puppies and let it be they find their own answers . 

autodidact
by Snarknado on Jan. 16, 2013 at 1:52 PM

no more so than all the other stupid shit in this thread. 

Quoting abusednotbroken:

For real lol. I thought maybe, just maybe, she could have been calling everyone that? But, still, a clarification would have been nice. So random.... lol

Quoting Anonymous:

I have LARGE ones.  thank you for visiting.  

Quoting Nicoleb9:

Boobs







ginnyk87
by on Jan. 16, 2013 at 1:57 PM

I do think it was a hoax.  Why weren't there any ambulances at the school? Why were they at the fire house? You'd think there would be ambulances everywhere!!! Why were the only two ambulances surrounded by caution tape? No one was crying! The coroner couldn't answer ANY questions! There are wayy to many coincidences.  I don't see how it could have happened...

karbear42
by on Jan. 16, 2013 at 2:00 PM
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  This is so sad to think that our government and others as well,  media, actors, etc played a role in using innocent children to gain gun control.  None of it adds up.  The medical examiner that laughs, quotes "I hope this won't crash on their heads!"

The placement of the ambulances near the exit of the school, not the entrace

People laughing, walking around like it's a regular day

The parents total lack of emotion for the loss of their children during interviews

The picture of Emilie Parker w/her parents as a family portrait and then Obama holding the same Emilie Parker that supposedly was one of the deceased children

The websites that were created 4 days prior to the event occuring

The suspects that were aprehended by the police and handcuffed, but later not reported on

The fact that no one remembers seeing Adam Lanza in the past 3 years

There is so much more to add here, but the governement and media can NOT and will not ever be trusted in my eyes.  It is all a matter of control and false reporting.

God have mercy on their evil souls!!!!

 

 

Anonymous
by Anonymous 97 on Jan. 16, 2013 at 2:01 PM

Liar!

Quoting Anonymous:

IM SORRY BUT I JUST HELPED MY SISTER BURY HER SON THAT WAS SHOT IN THAT SHOTTING.........


Anonymous
by Anonymous 91 on Jan. 16, 2013 at 2:01 PM

This is a small town not a city. Most towns do not have news media with helicopters. Newtown, CT has approximately 26,000 residents. My own area has three times that and we have four local tv stations and not one has a helicopter.

In my home town - which is NEVER even mentioned in school shooting because "only" three people died - when that school shooting happened at the middle school there were no aerial shots there was no live media coverage because in my home town there are no local tv stations - the nearest one is where I'm currently living which is 70 miles south of my hometown. The media stations that are broadcast in my home town are from the two major cities in our state which one of the cities is over 110 miles away and the other over 200 miles away.

So for me there not being any aerial coverage doesn't surprise me. According to Charter (which is the cable stations in Newtown) these are the main tv stations in Newtown.

CBS - WCBS (location NYC)
CBS 2 - WFSB (location Hartford, CT)

NBC - WNBC (location NYC)
NBC 2 - WVIT (location West Hartford, CT)

ABC - WABC (location NYC)
ABC 2 - WTNH (location New Haven, CT)

FOX - WNYW (location NYC)
FOX 2 - WTIC (location Hartford, CT)

Newtown, CT to NYC is approximately 80 miles. Hartford to Newtown is about 50 miles. The cost to send a news helicopter from either city to provide aerial footage is COST PROHIBITIVE. It's VERY expensive depending on the type of helicopter it is. Helicopters with jet engines use jet fuel while those with internal combustion engines use gasoline. Also depending on the helicopter the gas mileage on it sucks with most having only 14 miles per gallon. Most helicopters - that use normal gas - have a 30 to 40 gallon gas tank which means that while on a full tank it would possibly give them around 420 miles you have to take into consider weather conditions, hovering and the ability to fly back home.

So for arguement's sake lets say one of the news stations from NYC was able to send out a helicopter on a full tank of gas to Newtown that day. It would cost them around $296.40 for gas if the helicopter tank was 40 gallons and they paid $7.41 per gallon of gas. Then factor in the wages for the helicopter pilot along with the reporter so at the very least it would probably cost the station around $400 just to cover the event from the air. (Price varies but here's where the price for fuel comes from - http://www.airnav.com/fuel/local.html ) AND!!!! You STILL have to factor in flight time to get from NYC to Newtown by the time it hits mainstream media. How many hours passed? So there would be no reason for a news station in NYC to send a helicopter to Newtown to cover it after the fact.

Quoting Anonymous:

8. The aerial views of the scene - no children.  None.  No one in a hurry.  There's not any footage of the scene either, there's 1 still shot of kids being led, with all the news coverage.... it just doesn't seem right.  I get that it was locked down, but that wasn't permanent. 

Anonymous
by Anonymous 93 on Jan. 16, 2013 at 2:03 PM

And why is that

Quoting Anonymous:

Liar!

Quoting Anonymous:

IM SORRY BUT I JUST HELPED MY SISTER BURY HER SON THAT WAS SHOT IN THAT SHOTTING.........



Anonymous
by Anonymous 3 on Jan. 16, 2013 at 2:08 PM

Let's not because I'm not wasting my time arguing with strangers anymore, I have a life unlike you.

Quoting Anonymous:

Quoting Anonymous:

I never said anyone was a sheeple or that anyone needed to wake up, you obviously haven't read my other posts and have nothing better to do that make stupid Willy Wonka captions.

Quoting Anonymous:

Quoting Anonymous:

I didn't know the conspiracy had anything to do with youtube and I'm not saying I buy it, I'm just saying that it wouldn't be the first time the government has either lied or allowed an attack on it's own people to happen.

Quoting Anonymous:

Quoting Anonymous:

There's nothing I can do about that, but I don't really care because I don't have anything to hide. I'm not a conspiracy nut, but I do want to know what's really going on around the world.

Quoting Anonymous:

I would NOT visit that site. You will be put on a watch list by the gov't. Call me a loon all you want. They will watch you and everything you do online if you visit that site.

Quoting Anonymous:

I don't know, but someone told me if you want to know what's really going on in the world go to extinctionprotocol.com

Quoting Anonymous:

I want to know more about this too - is there a simplified version floating around?  Every time I go to look into this I get distracted by something else.  

Quoting Anonymous:

It wouldn't surprise me if there is a conspiracy here, just look what happened with the Fast and Furious mission that blew up in their faces over in Mexico.











Anonymous
by Anonymous 98 on Jan. 16, 2013 at 2:09 PM

I am confused are people thinking that the whole thing was planned or that it was an act and all those children didn't really die?

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