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Can anyone disprove some of the theories of Sandy Hook hoax? **4th edit, purple ** third edit in green/ cross out

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woah... got up in the top convos!

ETA:  I never expected to get so many responses to this.  I'm way behind, and will need some time to catch up, answer, and read/ look into responses.  I do hope that people are starting to be a little more respectful, the intent of this post was NOT to start drama, I was simply asking for some facts to disprove some of the stuff I saw.  Thank you to those who provided that without being raging jerks about it.  From what I HAVE seen, my opinion now is that there are aspects of it being hidden still.... but it's nowhere near as big of a deal as some of these theories out here, especially the Temple of Whatever one.  Eeeeek.  I promise I will get back to people as soon as I possibly can, and please remember to try to be a little respectful here, people were killed!  I for one am not denying that.  


I'm really asking here.... I didn't believe this at first... but now... what the heck??  Does anyone have anything to add?  Disproving or with more info... whatever you'd like.  Very brief summary of the stuff I'm talking about.... will give further details if asked.  

*To be clear:  I don't think that nothing happened.... and all of this sickens me.  I just don't understand some of this stuff.....*

1.  No footage released, with other school shootings it was blasted all over the media almost immediately- stills or small clips - for varying reasons.  Still think this one is odd.  I still think this is weird

2.  The freakin ME.... saying they were on the 2nd floor... all the victims he knew of were shot "with the long gun".... the man seemed drunk, and deflected questions.  Still not sure about this one either.  Granted, small town, he was probably nervous as shit.... but still.  Some of the stuff he said is being disproved.... like the weapons used for starters.  I don't like this guy still, again, get that he's nervous.... but come on.  He repeatedly said a type of weapon was used that apparenlty wasn't!

3.  The one father pretty much laughing before his conference (not knowing cameras were on yet) then visibily turning on emotion.  (btw, he's not 57 years old... like public record shows)  Alright alright, I should have clarified - I get that people react to things differently.  Why would he drum up the emotion though before the interview started?  You would think that's something that would just happen on its own... I still say that I understand that people handle grief differently, but his behavior was odd.  Sure, he could have been gathering himself, but he seemed plenty under control.   

4.  The little girl with Obama looking exactly the same (same dress as her dead sister.... I couldn't do that as a mother) I'm personally comfortable with the explanations provided..... For those asking for proof - I don't have a specific link.  Please look at the pictures for yourself, the sisters look similar, yes, but they are not the same person. 

5.  4 handguns found inside now - but it was stated clearly over and over that they were shot with a larger gun - that was out in the trunk  to me, this is the biggest question remaining.  Still the biggest question for me.  

6.  The car he used not being his moms  granted, he could have stolen it.... but really.... doesn't seem likely. I'm going to cross this out (4th update) - assuming it's true it was someone the mother knew.... alright, coulda been borrowing the car.  We don't know their life.  (I reminded myself of baby mama movie there) 

7.  What about the people chased through the woods?  (video footage)  still not sure about this one, yeah, people run when chased even if they are innocent.... but why was it never explained? I'll cross this out for the 4th edit, I still think that someone would have explained this better with so many questions being asked.  Actually no, I'm not crossing it out.  It's a valid question still, though the explanations are certainly feasible.  

8. The aerial views of the scene - no children.  None.  No one in a hurry.  There's not any footage of the scene either, there's 1 still shot of kids being led, with all the news coverage.... it just doesn't seem right.  I get that it was locked down, but that wasn't permanent.  Would like someone to provide a link if they can that shows anything to the contrary - may have already happened, but I haven't seen it yet. I'm about 300 replies behind at this point.  At least.

9.  The report that showed a stretcher with a sheet over it being wheeled a few minutes down the road where the ambulances could actually get to.... which encompasses a ton of issues in itself  Still weird - I can't find a short video with this clip in it, in the 24 minute one, just look at it, tell me something isn't off there.  A family member of mine is an EMT, I checked with him about this, and according to him, emergency vehicles are NOT restricted access.  So is there another explanation?  (yes, I'm aware different areas can have different rules)

10.  The guy that had the 6 kids or whatever in his house..... why would an adult leave them there, he lived PAST the fire house, his story varies from female to male, and who just brings kids into the house and doesn't call the cops after hearing gun shots?  and why did he have a fatality list... when it wans't released until 2 days after he was interviewed?  His interview makes no damn sense still, but I get the list was released to the town before media, so I scratched that one out.  Does anyone have any further questions about this one?

11.  The kid describing the events as it sounding like someone was pounding on a door.... no mention of anything else except banging.  (which, would be a blessing if that's true... but why wouldn't he hear anyone scream?)  I don't think anyone touched on this??  Except for one answer about an echo  Ehhhh... okay.  Crossing it on the 4th edit.  

12.  how this scrawny ass kid with mental issues succesfully killed so many people with a hand gun.  Not that easy to hit moving targets, and I doubt that everyone just sat there.   still wondering this.  Target practice or not.... stunned victims or not... that's a lot to pull off, especially for this kid in the amount of time he did it.   

13.  How did he have a valid ID of his brother on him if he hadn't seen him in years?  VALID ID.... not just an ID.  ID's expire, ya know.   One poster said that hers didn't expire for 30 years - not being rude, but I don't think Ryan was old enough to have an ID like this.  Though, I realize it might have literally nothing to do with what happened, I just find it odd.  

14.  Why was his computer smashed to shit?  alright, guess this doesn't REALLY matter.... i'll scratch it out.

15.  Who was sitting in the front of the police car?  no one sits in the front of police cars - anyone have an answer on that?  I think in mass confusion, even if someone was not really a suspect.... police always err on the side of caution, and would put someone in the back.  When an ex of mine got arrested, I was a minor and happened to be with him, they put me in the back of a car just for transport so my parents could pick me up.  


ETA #16:  Why did NO parent see their childs body?  I get it... but not a single one?  Someone stated that Noah's mother did - is there links to this info?

ETA #17:   Go do this.   

1) Go to google.

2) Search using this phrase "sandy hook united way"
3) On the results page, right under the search bar where you can choose images, web, etc, there should be a choice that says "search tools" at the far right. Click it.
4) You should see a bar underneath "search tools" pop up. There should be a choice that says "any time". Click it.
5) The drop-down box lists a choice for custom range at the bottom. Choose this.
6) A dialog with a from and to date should appear. Use the calendar on the right side of the dialog box and choose December 11th, 2012 for the to and from date. This limits the results of your Google search to pages that were indexed on that date.
7) Click "go" in the dialog. You should now be seeing the results for your search query indexed on that date. In the top few results, if not the very first, you should see the United Way page for the Sandy Hook school.

Full text:  

United Way extends our most sincere condolences and prayers to all those families affected by the devastating events in Newtown/Sandy Hook, Connecticut. While the eyes of the world may be on Newtown/Sandy Hook, to several staff, volunteers and contributors, Newtown is home. We will stand with the community and everyone affected directly and indirectly by this tragic event as we face the days and weeks ahead.

United Way of Western Connecticut is committed to providing support and resources where and when they become identified and needed. As people from our area and beyond respond to this heartbreaking tragedy, they are turning to United Way looking for ways to help. In response, United Way of Western Connecticut in partnership with Newtown Savings Bank has created the ‘Sandy Hook School Support Fund’ that will be able to provide support services to the families and community that has been affected.    

Disproved ^ makes sense that it was google error.   For those asking, there is a long history of cache errors.... please look into it.  

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Again - I WANT to be disproved.  If I argue back, it will be with video or clips.  I want someone to prove me wrong about this... I'm arguing as devils advocate, though I believe that some of this can't be just explained away.  I understand that in a chaotic event, things get mixed up, people react their own ways, etc... but some of this is too weird.  

Posted by Anonymous on Jan. 14, 2013 at 10:53 PM
Replies (1211-1220):
miss_lisa
by on Jan. 20, 2013 at 4:25 PM
You seem to forget your first sentence:

I have seen a video about everything you've posted here and I totally agree with you.

You are gullible to even consider believing any of that crap.


Quoting Hannahsjoy:

I said IF THIS IS TRUE! I never said it was true and I never said Youtube was a reliable anything. And no where in my post did I call anyone names including gullible. Only kids do that not adults.

Quoting miss_lisa:

Oh ffs, when did YouTube become a reliable source of information?



They pulled a shotgun out of the trunk, he took multiple firearms with him but used the AR-15 to shoot up the school.



People can change the names of their Facebook page. Both of them had facebook pages prior to the shooting then had the names changed to reflect their passing. Also, if you're talking about google time stamps, those are notoriously inaccurate. They will post origin dates for things that predate the existence of the Internet.



How can people be so gullible?




Quoting Hannahsjoy:

I have seen a video about everything you've posted here and I totally agree with you. All of this seems fishy. I looked at the Youtube video and when I finished it literally made me sick. The medical examiner said the kids died from a high powered rifle shot but that isn't so because the police found the rifle in the trunk of the accusers car outside of the school.  I myself subscribed to a page on Facebook for Emilie and Ms. Soto and both of those pages were made way before the Sandy Hook murders took place. Now one of the pages have been deleted. If this is true this is the sickest thing I've ever seen and the devil is truly busy!


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Aleta775
by on Jan. 20, 2013 at 4:51 PM

For #15, I think it depends on the officer. Some would let you sit in the front seat, others wouldn't. You really need to cross that one off because it doesn't really have THAT much much of an impact on the situation as a whole. 

Aleta775
by on Jan. 20, 2013 at 4:53 PM

Just as the Google page had discrepancy in dates, a facebook page can too. I wouldn't put too much stock in a date posted on the Internet and take it as gospel. 

Quoting AdamsWife88:

Has anyone touched on the fact that a bunch of the facebook memorial and fundraising pages were created 1-4 days prior to the actual date of the shooting?


Aleta775
by on Jan. 20, 2013 at 5:00 PM

For #16, how would there be a link to prove that? Are you serious? Not everything is posted on the freakin' Internet. What in the Hell do you want? Do want a picture of this poor mother looking at the dead body of her child? Geez Louise. 

Besides, other people have mentioned Emilie Parker. Her body was flown from Connecticut back to Utah for her funeral. I know of someone that attended that funeral. She was good friends with Emilie's mother. Emilie and her family had only lived in Connecticut for like  months. That is why the service took place in Ogden, Utah. All of their family was still there. 


jjchick75
by Gold Member on Jan. 20, 2013 at 5:38 PM

Exactly! 

Quoting Aleta775:

Just as the Google page had discrepancy in dates, a facebook page can too. I wouldn't put too much stock in a date posted on the Internet and take it as gospel. 

Quoting AdamsWife88:

Has anyone touched on the fact that a bunch of the facebook memorial and fundraising pages were created 1-4 days prior to the actual date of the shooting?




Anonymous
by Anonymous 170 on Jan. 20, 2013 at 5:44 PM
Bump
kailu1835
by Platinum Member on Jan. 21, 2013 at 12:08 AM
It's just too coincidental that someone always claims to know the perpetrator and have inside information...

Quoting Anonymous:

Because if true, do they need to be attacked and name known by the freaks on here? Connecting these wacko posters to the victims?




Quoting kailu1835:

Why do you post as anonymous? Anyone can post anonymously, saying that they knew the person. This happened a while back with the Zimmerman story, and turned out it was just a regular poster that supported Zimmerman but didn't even live in the same quadrant of the country, let alone actually know him.





Quoting Anonymous:

I grew up in the same town as the shooter's mother, her brother went to school with me and their mother was the school nurse, the conspiracy theories are all b.s. Adam was a disturbed young man, his family tried to get him help but when he turned 18 they couldn't force him. There was no footage because none of the victims ever made it out of the school and because showing dead 6 year olds would have caused public outrage. I had to see a  friend bury his sister and nephew, he couldn't even stay at his own house. These theories are ridiculous


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Anonymous
by Anonymous 171 on Jan. 21, 2013 at 4:17 PM
I know for sure that at least one of the children that was said to be killed, WAS. How do I know for sure? Because I was at 6 year old Emily Parker's funeral! She was buried in Utah, where I babysat her 2 years ago... I'm a friend of the family. The thing is, her family believes that the officials left ALLOT of things still questionable...
Anonymous
by Anonymous 172 on Jan. 22, 2013 at 3:10 PM

Obviously there are to many inconsistencies to say it all happened as they want us to believe it did but I can't say it didn't happen,I am still on the fence about it. I don't want to believe the government would stoop this low but oddly enough 2 weeks ago the NDAA of 2013 lifted the propaganda law / amended the smith-Mundt Act of 1948 <---- not a conspiracy, indeed they did and what this does is let them practice propaganda on their own citizens which would be us. It was legal already to practice it in places like Afghanistan but this will be the first time it's able to be used on US citizens since the law passed in 1948. This law forbid information and psychological operations aimed at influencing U.S. public opinion and now is no longer in place. Am I saying that means the shootings didn't happen? No but people absolutely have a right to question, which regardless of what you think doesn't give them a warm fuzzy feelings, no one wants to implicate something like this could be staged it's really not a good feeling, but what I am saying is you sure as hell better question and do you research before trusting mainstream media now that the propaganda law is lifted.  look up "online persona management services". 

jayyya
by on Jan. 26, 2013 at 11:12 PM

I'm sorry I just can't believe this. There are too many things that just don't add up. Body's are examined in a medical examiner's office, not at the crime scene. How did he shoot all of the children dead, and none were injured. If you look at the video footage of the school, why is there only one ambulance, and all of the fed trucks blocked off all of the doors. I have my own beliefs on this and it would all add up, but I don't feel that this is the place to get all off into the bible. But if you are a Christian, and did your research and know the Bible than you would know exactly what I'm talking about. No guns, and no one can defend themselves when the New World Order goes into effect. Any comments?

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