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Thyroid medication..Armour?...turned more into a vent sorry.

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I know this is a rather random place to post this, but I wanted to be anon so..

Does anyone have any experience with the thyroid medication Armour? 

My grandmother started taking this medication a year ago. Her bp went up, and she became delusional. Her dr. insisted she keep taking the medication, but as far as I know, never tested her thyroid levels again. My grandma ended up taking double her dosage for some months before we caught it. 

In October she started loosing weight, vomiting, having chest pains. All these are side effects of that medication. Add to the fact that she was accidentally taking more than prescribed...How the fuck did her doctor not catch this?! I guess I'm just trying to find someone to blame. 

Once that problem was fix, she stayed sick. (My aunt has been the one "in charge" of taking her to the dr.) In November my mom stepped in. Got second opinions, and kept pressing her primary dr. to do more test. Finally, after months of her being so sick, they have confirmed that she has a very fast spreading cancer. It supposedly started in her lungs, and now (according to this dumbass of a dr.) has spread within a month all over her body. 

WHY? WHY DID IT TAKE THE DOCTORS SO LONG? HOW CAN A WOMAN THAT HAS BEEN HEALTHY HER WHOLE LIFE, NOT BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY WHEN SHE SAYS SHE SICK?! IF THIS IS SUCH A FAST MOVING CANCER WHY DIDN'T THEY DO A BIOPSY BACK IN DECEMBER WHEN THEY FOUND THE TUMORS? AND WHY THE FUCK ARE THEY ALLOWING HER TO STAY SO MISERABLE AND ACTING LIKE THERE'S NOTHING THEY CAN DO?

She's got an appt with an oncologist next week, but as fast as this is affecting her...I'm so worried that they are just not doing anything right/or fast enough. 

The main reason I wrote this post was wondering if the medication had been linked to cancer. My grandma has no history of cancer in her family, and has never even had any surgeries of any kind. Never been in the hospital. The worst she ever had was shingles. 

Posted by Anonymous on Jan. 17, 2013 at 6:02 AM
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Anonymous
by Anonymous - Original Poster on Jan. 17, 2013 at 7:18 AM
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Did they tell you what stage the cancer is? My step dad was stage 4, and they did not tell us. He had his lower lobe removed and then had a stroke while recovering. I am wiping away tears thinking about it.

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The thyroid medication issue and the cancer are probably not related. The double dose of thyroid medicine certainly could have caused weight loss and heart palpatations. That is why there is a warning that it should not be used for weight loss. My doctor tests my throid every 6 months, so I don't know why her dr would not do so. Who discovered the tumors? How have they diagnosed the cancer as fact acting without a biopsy. Both my mom and step dad had cancer...different kinds. With him, they found a spot on his lungs during a routine exam for another procedure. They could not tell us whether it was cancer without a biopsy. My mom had a lump in her breast...same thing, no diagnosis of cancer until the mammogram and biopsy. With the biopsy, they could tell us the type of tumor.

Sadly, people can come up with diseases when it appears that there was never a history. No one in my mom's HUGE family had ever had breast cancer (she had 20 siblings.) I have been diagnosed with lupus and no one on either side has ever been diagnosed. 

I am sorry you have experienced this. Some one in the family needs to request all of your grandma's medical records and keep a notebook of everything. Good luck.

Thanks, I'm sorry about your mom and step dad too.

It's been a crazy couple of months but this is the jist of what's been happening...

In November they did a MRI, that's when they found spots on her lung. This was not her PCP, but a specialist at the hospital that did the MRI. Her PCP was the dr. that told my aunt and mom about the spots.

They waited until January 8th to do a biopsy. Just got the results yesturday. This dr. is a pulmonologist that has been seeing her since November, along with one other visit to her Primary Dr. He was the one that told them about the diagnosis.



I'm sorry. Cancer is awful. My granddad passed away in 2001 from it, so I know this is really scary for my grandma.

They didn't say what stage the cancer was. He's not really saying much at all. Just referring us to different doctors. She has an appointment Monday at a Oncology place. I'm hoping they will let us know more...I'm so worried they're not telling us because it's really bad news. 

BEFORE you go, sit down and write down a list of questions. You will want to know what stage the cancer is, the prognosis, the treatment plan. They may suggest surgery, chemo, or radiation or a combination. With my step dad, it was surgery and radiation. If they suggest surgery, keep in mind that it is MAJOR surgery. Will she need to go to the rehabilitation floor or to a skilled nursing home for recovery? Would she  be eligible for home health care? If they want to do radiation, how many visits, what are the side effects, etc. Google lung cancer and see what questions you have. It is over whelming.  I don't think they are keeping things from you. It is not uncommon to go from the primary dr to a specialist to another specialist. The pulminologist can't tell you what exactly the oncologist will do. If surgery is required, the oncologist won't do the surgery. In these cases, you end up with a fairly large team of health care providers. That is one of the reasons I suggest getting a notebook, request a copy of all of her records...ask questions and keep copies of everything. It is easy to forget things  because so much comes at your at once. You are in for a whirl wind of activity. Don't worry about stepping on toes...ask questions and expect answers. You may not like the answers, but ask questions.

If your grandmother does not have a power of attorney prepared for her medical care, your family should address this and any end of life wishes she has. We had to do this and I was so glad we talked about what my parents wanted. I had to make some really, really hard decisions, but it helped to know what they wanted. My heart goes out to you.

Thanks so much. I will pass this on to my mom. I want to clarify, I won't be going to the appointments as of now. My grandma doesn't want the grandkids to have to go through this. Even if we are grown, in her eyes we'll always be making mud-pies in her backyard. My mom tells me everything and I go to see my grandma as much as possible. Just in the last week she looks like she's lost another 5lbs. But I will make a list out of your suggestions and call my mom tomorrow, and pass it on. 

thatkidsmomkms
by Bronze Member on Jan. 17, 2013 at 7:22 AM

No, Armour is NOT linked to cancer. I've been on it for 20+ years. I have taken Synthroid for a couple of those years, but went back to Armour because it was better for my bodies needs. I had my thyroid removed following thyroid cancer. Armour is generally used for patients who have no thyroid, or who need support for all their thyroid hormones (T3, T4, etc) not just a single hormone as is found in Synthroid.

Anonymous
by Anonymous - Original Poster on Jan. 17, 2013 at 7:24 AM


Quoting thatkidsmomkms:

No, Armour is NOT linked to cancer. I've been on it for 20+ years. I have taken Synthroid for a couple of those years, but went back to Armour because it was better for my bodies needs. I had my thyroid removed following thyroid cancer. Armour is generally used for patients who have no thyroid, or who need support for all their thyroid hormones (T3, T4, etc) not just a single hormone as is found in Synthroid.

So do you think it's just as good for a person that still has a working thyroid?

thatkidsmomkms
by Bronze Member on Jan. 17, 2013 at 7:28 AM

I've never known Armour to raise blood pressure. It may raise your metabolism, but when taken properly it raises it to normal.

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My daughter takes synthroid.

Her endocrinologist said that armor is unpredictable and was from cow thyroid. And because I was concerned with all the hormones being given to cows, we decided against using it.

The main thing I don't get is the fact that my grandma was having some trouble with high bp before being put on it. She was also put on bp meds at the same time. So why would they put her on a medicine that raises you bp?


justpeachy71904
by peachy on Jan. 17, 2013 at 7:30 AM
I'm so sorry for your family :(
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thatkidsmomkms
by Bronze Member on Jan. 17, 2013 at 7:31 AM

Yes, it is. It was the original thyroid medicine. The body will get rid of excess that it doesn't need. Synthroid really isn't best for regulating the thyroid even in healthy patients who just have a slightly low TSH. Armour replaces all the hormones, and is better overall. But most doctors don't prescribe it because it's an old medication, and newer drugs are usually the first line. He may have chosen to prescribe Armour over Synthroid is he felt your grandma wouldn't be able to afford Synthroid? My Armour is like 6 bucks for 3 months worth.

Quoting Anonymous:


Quoting thatkidsmomkms:

No, Armour is NOT linked to cancer. I've been on it for 20+ years. I have taken Synthroid for a couple of those years, but went back to Armour because it was better for my bodies needs. I had my thyroid removed following thyroid cancer. Armour is generally used for patients who have no thyroid, or who need support for all their thyroid hormones (T3, T4, etc) not just a single hormone as is found in Synthroid.

So do you think it's just as good for a person that still has a working thyroid?


Anonymous
by Anonymous - Original Poster on Jan. 17, 2013 at 7:34 AM


Quoting thatkidsmomkms:

I've never known Armour to raise blood pressure. It may raise your metabolism, but when taken properly it raises it to normal.

Quoting Anonymous:


Quoting edelweiss23:

My daughter takes synthroid.

Her endocrinologist said that armor is unpredictable and was from cow thyroid. And because I was concerned with all the hormones being given to cows, we decided against using it.

The main thing I don't get is the fact that my grandma was having some trouble with high bp before being put on it. She was also put on bp meds at the same time. So why would they put her on a medicine that raises you bp?


When I looked up possible side effects of the drug, this was one of them. Along with heart palpatations, chest pain, and stroke. 

PinkButterfly66
by Ruby Member on Jan. 17, 2013 at 7:36 AM
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No, armour is not unpredictable, it is standardized just like synthroid. Forest Labs (makers of Armour) follow the same stringent requirements for drug manufacturing that is required by the FDA for all drugs. However, unlike synthroid it also contains T3 which is the form of thyroid hormone that our body uses.  Armour is made from porcine (pig) thyroid, not bovine (cow). For correct information on hypothyroidism and armour, please check out http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com

Quoting edelweiss23:

My daughter takes synthroid.

Her endocrinologist said that armor is unpredictable and was from cow thyroid. And because I was concerned with all the hormones being given to cows, we decided against using it.


Anonymous
by Anonymous - Original Poster on Jan. 17, 2013 at 7:36 AM


Quoting thatkidsmomkms:

Yes, it is. It was the original thyroid medicine. The body will get rid of excess that it doesn't need. Synthroid really isn't best for regulating the thyroid even in healthy patients who just have a slightly low TSH. Armour replaces all the hormones, and is better overall. But most doctors don't prescribe it because it's an old medication, and newer drugs are usually the first line. He may have chosen to prescribe Armour over Synthroid is he felt your grandma wouldn't be able to afford Synthroid? My Armour is like 6 bucks for 3 months worth.

Quoting Anonymous:


Quoting thatkidsmomkms:

No, Armour is NOT linked to cancer. I've been on it for 20+ years. I have taken Synthroid for a couple of those years, but went back to Armour because it was better for my bodies needs. I had my thyroid removed following thyroid cancer. Armour is generally used for patients who have no thyroid, or who need support for all their thyroid hormones (T3, T4, etc) not just a single hormone as is found in Synthroid.

So do you think it's just as good for a person that still has a working thyroid?


She's pretty well off, I wouldn't think that would be the reason. Maybe though, she is very tight with her money.

sissykay78
by on Jan. 17, 2013 at 7:36 AM
I take Synthroid and never had a issue
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