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Do Liars Like Lance Armstrong & Manti T'eo Deserve Our Forgiveness?

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Liars Like Lance Armstrong & Manti T'eo Deserve Our Forgiveness

Posted by Maressa Brown on January 19, 2013

lance armstrong and oprahEvery minute it seems, we're finding out another prominent person in the news lied (or cheated) in some way, shape, or form. Manti T'eo and Lance Armstrong just happen to be the two most recent ... And every time it happens, it seems like our general reaction is basically the same: "How could he?!" We're shocked, dismayed, and swiftly ready to write the person off as a bad egg forever. But maybe it shouldn't necessarily be that way. Maybe we're being too quick to judge.

See, while watching the Lance Armstrong-Oprah interview yesterday, I kept thinking that while he was totally coming off like a schumuck who reeeeally screwed up and tarnished his squeaky-clean, do-gooder rep, I could also understand why he did what he did.

I wouldn't go so far as to say as I feel sympathy for the guy, but it just seemed like he lied for many reasons ... One of them is because he was so immersed in a culture of deceit. He kept using the word "generation" to explain to Oprah how he wasn't alone. Not in a cowardly, finger-pointing way, but in a way that makes you take a step back and realize he wasn't alone in deceiving us all. Doping was a generally accepted trend in his world. What riders did (and lied about) to be successful. And once he figured he could get away with it, and everyone else was getting away with it, he just kept "riding out" the lie ... for better or worse.

Similarly, we don't know all the exact details behind the Manti T'eo mess, but it seems like the guy lied because he got swept up in the fable. Couldn't face the consequence of the truth coming out. (Not that that fear prevented it from happening!)

And really, who hasn't been in a situation like that? Even if it was a little white lie you told once, we've all been scared silly to admit the truth at one time or another ... So how can we judge these guys so harshly for doing the same very human thing -- that happened to unfold in front of cameras and entire country?

The way I see it -- it boils down to them just being flawed in a regretable but deeply human way. So the humane thing to do is to consider forgiveness.

How do you feel about Lance and Manti's lies? Do you think you could "forgive" either man?

by on Jan. 20, 2013 at 12:41 PM
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Anonymous
by Anonymous 5 on Jan. 20, 2013 at 1:56 PM
This exactly. I'm so tired of hearing about all this celebrity b.s. It's their life, their problem.

Quoting sampson200:

Neither of them are anything to me or my life, so I don't think 'my forgiveness' holds anything.

They need to ask forgiveness of those they have hurt or burdened by their lying.

But me, personally? I don't give a ****, actually.

tifbrown
by on Jan. 20, 2013 at 1:57 PM

I agree with that. His charity and story has helped and inspired millions of people. That shouldn't be taken away from. He did a lot of good, but a lot of bad as well. He viciously went after people who had accused him of doping. He had them banned from cycling and blacklisted. I read an article that some of these people had lost everything. I just think it is so wrong on that account. I wouldn't be surprised if he got slapped into another dimension with lawsuits. He made millions off of lies, he can afford to make amends for what he did.

Quoting Kaya529:

Does what he did there completely negate all the good he has done?

This man lied about bicycling. But he has helped thousands of people with testicular cancer. When my old fiance wanted to give up on his treatments and throw in the towel, Lance Armstrong's story is what pushed him through.

I think the good outweighs the bad in this case.


Quoting tifbrown:

Armstrong pisses me off. He ruined peoples lives. And, now that he has come clean we are supposed to see him as a hero? Ya fucking right. Manti, I haven't heard the latest update on, I'll check out tmz after this, but I feel bad for him. If he really didn't know all along, then I do feel bad. He got duped and when he found out was embarrassed and didn't know what to do. Whoever is behind that is a sick individual to go that far and that deep with it.


mjgm1966
by Bronze Member on Jan. 20, 2013 at 1:59 PM

I believe every one deserves a second chance.  Sometimes, over and over again.  I would like to think they have learned something from this and that this will change their lives for the better.  If God can be merciful and forgiving....why shouldn't I?

LucyHarper
by on Jan. 20, 2013 at 2:01 PM

They made mistakes, they are paying for it. No one can say that they have never told a lie and have never messed up about something important. I think its sad what they did because its a bad example to their fans, but if they are sorry, everyone deserves forgiveness. My husband, five year old son, and ten year old brother are big Lance Armstrong fans, my son is too young to know all of this drug stuff, but my brother knows what happened and is still a big fan of his. He knows that drugs are wrong, his mom used/uses a lot of drugs and he knows what they do to people, he doesn't like that he did that, but he gets that hes human and everyone messes up sometimes. My husband used drugs as a young teen, he knows how easy it is to get on things like that when everyone around you is doig it and telling you its okay. He stopped when he got to a better point in his life and understood that his life could be better without them.

ididntdoit111
by Gold Member on Jan. 20, 2013 at 2:03 PM

What did Manti Te'o do anyhow? I was under the impression he had been duped. Has something else come up I haven't heard? Was he somehow involved.

Luna091306
by on Jan. 20, 2013 at 2:04 PM

 They didn't wrong me in any way so why would they need my forgiveness? I really don't give a rat's ass.

Luna091306
by on Jan. 20, 2013 at 2:05 PM
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 I think the deal is even after he knew he was duped he went along with it. Could be that he was just extremely embarrassed, I would be. I actually feel bad for the guy.

Quoting ididntdoit111:

What did Manti Te'o do anyhow? I was under the impression he had been duped. Has something else come up I haven't heard? Was he somehow involved.

 

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Grumpylilpixy
by on Jan. 20, 2013 at 2:05 PM

Ummm... Wow.. Talk about entitlement. 

Who are we to judge them we all have lied or done something that we regret... 

IT is not our place to forgive them infact it isn't going to make a damn difference in their lives if you do it or not..

But cute you think so.

Ultra_
by Platinum Member on Jan. 20, 2013 at 2:07 PM

Manti is did not lie like Lance. It wasn't as big, nor had as much influence and wasn't started for personal or financial gain.


Kaya529
by Platinum Member on Jan. 20, 2013 at 2:09 PM
Armstrong is definitely an asshole, he alw I was just pointing outays has been. Even in the book je comes across that way. What he did is wrong and he needs to pay the consequences. I was just pointing out that you need to look at the sum of a person when judging them and not just the parts.



Quoting tifbrown:

I agree with that. His charity and story has helped and inspired millions of people. That shouldn't be taken away from. He did a lot of good, but a lot of bad as well. He viciously went after people who had accused him of doping. He had them banned from cycling and blacklisted. I read an article that some of these people had lost everything. I just think it is so wrong on that account. I wouldn't be surprised if he got slapped into another dimension with lawsuits. He made millions off of lies, he can afford to make amends for what he did.

Quoting Kaya529:

Does what he did there completely negate all the good he has done?



This man lied about bicycling. But he has helped thousands of people with testicular cancer. When my old fiance wanted to give up on his treatments and throw in the towel, Lance Armstrong's story is what pushed him through.



I think the good outweighs the bad in this case.




Quoting tifbrown:

Armstrong pisses me off. He ruined peoples lives. And, now that he has come clean we are supposed to see him as a hero? Ya fucking right. Manti, I haven't heard the latest update on, I'll check out tmz after this, but I feel bad for him. If he really didn't know all along, then I do feel bad. He got duped and when he found out was embarrassed and didn't know what to do. Whoever is behind that is a sick individual to go that far and that deep with it.


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