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Do Liars Like Lance Armstrong & Manti T'eo Deserve Our Forgiveness?

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Liars Like Lance Armstrong & Manti T'eo Deserve Our Forgiveness

Posted by Maressa Brown on January 19, 2013

lance armstrong and oprahEvery minute it seems, we're finding out another prominent person in the news lied (or cheated) in some way, shape, or form. Manti T'eo and Lance Armstrong just happen to be the two most recent ... And every time it happens, it seems like our general reaction is basically the same: "How could he?!" We're shocked, dismayed, and swiftly ready to write the person off as a bad egg forever. But maybe it shouldn't necessarily be that way. Maybe we're being too quick to judge.

See, while watching the Lance Armstrong-Oprah interview yesterday, I kept thinking that while he was totally coming off like a schumuck who reeeeally screwed up and tarnished his squeaky-clean, do-gooder rep, I could also understand why he did what he did.

I wouldn't go so far as to say as I feel sympathy for the guy, but it just seemed like he lied for many reasons ... One of them is because he was so immersed in a culture of deceit. He kept using the word "generation" to explain to Oprah how he wasn't alone. Not in a cowardly, finger-pointing way, but in a way that makes you take a step back and realize he wasn't alone in deceiving us all. Doping was a generally accepted trend in his world. What riders did (and lied about) to be successful. And once he figured he could get away with it, and everyone else was getting away with it, he just kept "riding out" the lie ... for better or worse.

Similarly, we don't know all the exact details behind the Manti T'eo mess, but it seems like the guy lied because he got swept up in the fable. Couldn't face the consequence of the truth coming out. (Not that that fear prevented it from happening!)

And really, who hasn't been in a situation like that? Even if it was a little white lie you told once, we've all been scared silly to admit the truth at one time or another ... So how can we judge these guys so harshly for doing the same very human thing -- that happened to unfold in front of cameras and entire country?

The way I see it -- it boils down to them just being flawed in a regretable but deeply human way. So the humane thing to do is to consider forgiveness.

How do you feel about Lance and Manti's lies? Do you think you could "forgive" either man?

by on Jan. 20, 2013 at 12:41 PM
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by Gold Member on Jan. 20, 2013 at 4:44 PM
There's no comparison. Lance Armstrong destroyed people's lives. He's an awful human being.
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by on Jan. 20, 2013 at 4:46 PM

He lied about using performance enhancing drugs. He was using them during all 7 out of his 7 Tour de France wins. Oprah just did a bit interview with him which goes over everything.

Quoting Anonymous:

I have no clue about any of this. What did armstrong lie about????

Quoting tifbrown:

Armstrong pisses me off. He ruined peoples lives. And, now that he has come clean we are supposed to see him as a hero? Ya fucking right. Manti, I haven't heard the latest update on, I'll check out tmz after this, but I feel bad for him. If he really didn't know all along, then I do feel bad. He got duped and when he found out was embarrassed and didn't know what to do. Whoever is behind that is a sick individual to go that far and that deep with it.

by on Jan. 20, 2013 at 4:58 PM

Manti wasnt lying. He was caught up in a Catfish scam. It happens to the best of us. My DD got caught in one as well. She finally figured it out.

by on Jan. 20, 2013 at 5:32 PM


by Platinum Member on Jan. 20, 2013 at 5:33 PM

Lance does; I'm not sure about the other feller.  I don't think what Lance did was right by any means....but I also think he's the scapegoat for a whole slew of people who doped in cycling.  Seems like the sport has become a sad.  I hope there will be a non-doping cyclist who will save the sport.

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by Silver Member on Jan. 20, 2013 at 5:52 PM

 It is not for me to give forgiveness. It is each man's responsibility to make his peace with it himself.

As for me, I couldn't care less.

by on Jan. 20, 2013 at 6:45 PM

These are not the same type of situation.  Armstrong cheated.  Manti had a fraud committed on him and then he seems to have been sucked in and went along with it as far as speaking to a woman who claimed she was his girlfriend.  He did make up about seeing her but that may be because he was uncomfortable  having a girlfriend whom he had not yet seen.  He did no harm.  Then he was told the girl died and when she called again, he realized something was wrong and he reported it to his family and to the team.  No big deal.  No one was hurt.  He may have bragged about his girlfriend and may not have told the total truth there but then many men might be guilty of that - it is called bragging about the girlfriend.  He is a decent looking guy and it is unfortunate that he doesn't have time to have a real girlfriend.  This is not a situation where he took anything from anyone.  He did not take any drugs because of this nor did he sell any.  He did not hurt anyone as no one died.  It was a joke on him by someone who pulled the same joke on someone else.  The one who started this could have hurt him.  He is also a victim though he sure seems naive.  Would be better if some smart girl would take him under her wing perhaps.  He has nothing for us to forgive or not to forgive.  He didn't do anything but talk about a girlfriend he thought he had as he talked on the phone to her for a couple of months.  Evidently the girl must be convincing.

by on Jan. 20, 2013 at 6:48 PM

Honestly I wish I could say I care or I dont care... I do but I dont... Their problems really are not my problems... I suppose if I sponsored them I would be really pissed off.... I dont like they represented the country with such negative influence but we are not the only country that had assholes purposely screwing up on behalf of their country.

Forgiven whatever, nothing to forgive, you chose to fuck up, you chose to be a loser. Suck it up and deal with it.

Forgiven or not, you should not have your medals you should never be praised or admired, you should join the rest of the world an become a no body. You should never re-enter the competition world either.

Life has consquences, you make poor choices you live with the consquences.

They will have forgive themselves for being the biggest dumb ass of their time.

by on Jan. 20, 2013 at 6:53 PM

I dont see how you could compare the two, Armstrong destroyed peoples lives when he went after them, the other guy sounds like a naive kid who got sucked into an internet hoax to me.

Its not up to me to forgive either, its up to those who were hurt and damaged because of their actions (armstrong really). I do think Armstrong belongs in jail, not only was his whole career based on lies but he suid people over his lies and destroyed peoples lives, he lied under oath, to me his actions are disgusting.

In the end we are all human beings and we all make mistakes, some worse than others and i do think there is a place for forgiveness in these cases

by Anonymous 14 on Jan. 20, 2013 at 6:56 PM
Yes. I believe while the person might not deserve it, but should still be forgiven. Everyone makes mistakes.
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