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Cant believe im doing this....

When I first joined cafemom I thought abortion was murder. But after seeing so many stories I've read I have come to see how ignorant that is. While I am now prochoice and I have a better more mature outlook on it, I am still saddened to of a case of abortion. I do not pass judgement, I wanna make that clear. I does still make me sad though.
That being said, I am seeing the trend in this topic today. I wanted to say something. Start a bit of a relaxed discussion (hopeful I know) and I feel like posting in the other posts my words are drowned out. So....
I wanna know when you think a fetus is a baby. I read an argument that had me thinking. Some women
believe it is a life at conception.
Some believe it is a life and a baby when it is viable to live outside the womb. Everyone has a difference of opinion and I respect each of your opinions on the matter. I am simply curious as to what you ladies believe and why you believe it.
the thought just hit me that maybe it's a life when there is a heartbeat. Maybe regardless If it can live on its own or not. It still has a heart right? Which gives life. And in persona already born, as long as there is a heartbeat there is life. I'm wondering about babies or fetuses if you prefer, that are birthed sleeping. Would you consider that a baby? If it has no heartbeat? What about people on life support? They are in need of support to continue their life, much like a fetus. I'm still pondering in it... what are your thoughts?
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by on Jan. 28, 2013 at 4:13 PM
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Anonymous
by Anonymous on Jan. 28, 2013 at 4:21 PM
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"I have ideas more then beliefs. Because you can change an idea but trying to change a belief just puts you at war with yourself". . .i don't know if that makes sense to others but as long as i understand it, it doesn't matter lol it's also not my place to say what is and what isn't especially when it comes to a "life" or a life as some say. People make choices many may not agree with those choices, unless they are your child making the choices we have absolutely no place to tell them "hey you're a bad person how can you do that!?". I firmly go by "To Each Their Own" call it a "belief" lol it's something i won't ever change :))
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Anonymous
by Anonymous on Jan. 28, 2013 at 4:22 PM
My faith says a soul starts merging at conception but not complete until 6 years old.
1likeme
by Gold Member on Jan. 28, 2013 at 4:22 PM
I believe it's life and a baby at conception. I think arguing that it's not simply muddies the pro choice debate. I have always been firmly pro choice but this argument simply aggravates me. Women seek abortions to end life and stop the growth of the fetus so why are so many people against calling it what it is.
BraydensMama163
by Platinum Member on Jan. 28, 2013 at 4:23 PM
In the case of a miscarriage, early lets say 4-8 weeks, do you consider that a loss of a baby? I had a miscarriage at 4 weeks and they never saw anything inside the sac. I consider that a baby even though I never saw one.

Quoting Anonymous:

yes, that would be a baby to me.  even though they were still born.  I do not think abortion is murder and I am staunchly pro-choice - and for the slow ones, (not you OP but in general) pro-choice does not = pro abortion



Quoting BraydensMama163:

But what about if a fetus is born sleeping? It might be 34 weeks and not have survived the pregnancy. Is it a baby (in your opinion) if something went wrong and it wasn't alive even though it was 34 weeks or so?

That's what I'm questioning and trying to figure out.




Quoting Anonymous:

I believe a fetus is a baby when it can survive outside the womb (so 22-24 weeks or so)




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shylynn22
by on Jan. 28, 2013 at 4:24 PM
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I think they are babies, but I don't judge abortions.
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BraydensMama163
by Platinum Member on Jan. 28, 2013 at 4:24 PM
You ever seen dogma? Lol chris rock says that to Jay and I thought wow that super smart. Haha

Quoting Anonymous:

I have ideas more then beliefs. Because you can change and idea but trying to change a belief just puts you at war with yourself. . .i don't know if that makes sense to others but as long as i understand it, it doesn't matter lol
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BraydensMama163
by Platinum Member on Jan. 28, 2013 at 4:25 PM
Very interesting concept. Thank you for your honesty and input.

Quoting 1likeme:

I believe it's life and a baby at conception. I think arguing that it's not simply muddies the pro choice debate. I have always been firmly pro choice but this argument simply aggravates me. Women seek abortions to end life and stop the growth of the fetus so why are so many people against calling it what it is.
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BraydensMama163
by Platinum Member on Jan. 28, 2013 at 4:26 PM
That's interesting. What's your faith if you don't mind my asking?

Quoting Anonymous:

My faith says a soul starts merging at conception but not complete until 6 years old.
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LadyBugMom09
by Platinum Member on Jan. 28, 2013 at 4:27 PM
Life at conception. Abortion is wrong.
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BraydensMama163
by Platinum Member on Jan. 28, 2013 at 4:27 PM
A very valid argument. Thank you!

Quoting bowribbonmama:

It is a life but not a baby. Medically and legally it is an embryo/fetus until birth.

Baby is a term of endearment. ANYTHING can be a baby.
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