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When I first joined cafemom I thought abortion was murder. But after seeing so many stories I've read I have come to see how ignorant that is. While I am now prochoice and I have a better more mature outlook on it, I am still saddened to of a case of abortion. I do not pass judgement, I wanna make that clear. I does still make me sad though.
That being said, I am seeing the trend in this topic today. I wanted to say something. Start a bit of a relaxed discussion (hopeful I know) and I feel like posting in the other posts my words are drowned out. So....
I wanna know when you think a fetus is a baby. I read an argument that had me thinking. Some women
believe it is a life at conception.
Some believe it is a life and a baby when it is viable to live outside the womb. Everyone has a difference of opinion and I respect each of your opinions on the matter. I am simply curious as to what you ladies believe and why you believe it.
the thought just hit me that maybe it's a life when there is a heartbeat. Maybe regardless If it can live on its own or not. It still has a heart right? Which gives life. And in persona already born, as long as there is a heartbeat there is life. I'm wondering about babies or fetuses if you prefer, that are birthed sleeping. Would you consider that a baby? If it has no heartbeat? What about people on life support? They are in need of support to continue their life, much like a fetus. I'm still pondering in it... what are your thoughts?
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by on Jan. 28, 2013 at 4:13 PM
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BraydensMama163
by Ruby Member on Jan. 28, 2013 at 4:32 PM
Science decrees a fetus a parasite?

Quoting Anonymous:

I believe life begins when a viable baby takes it's first breath.  Before it is viable it fits the strict scientific definition of a parasite.

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Anonymous
by Anonymous 1 on Jan. 28, 2013 at 4:33 PM

I would not but that does and should not diminish your loss


Quoting BraydensMama163:

In the case of a miscarriage, early lets say 4-8 weeks, do you consider that a loss of a baby? I had a miscarriage at 4 weeks and they never saw anything inside the sac. I consider that a baby even though I never saw one.

Quoting Anonymous:

yes, that would be a baby to me.  even though they were still born.  I do not think abortion is murder and I am staunchly pro-choice - and for the slow ones, (not you OP but in general) pro-choice does not = pro abortion



Quoting BraydensMama163:

But what about if a fetus is born sleeping? It might be 34 weeks and not have survived the pregnancy. Is it a baby (in your opinion) if something went wrong and it wasn't alive even though it was 34 weeks or so?

That's what I'm questioning and trying to figure out.




Quoting Anonymous:

I believe a fetus is a baby when it can survive outside the womb (so 22-24 weeks or so)






BraydensMama163
by Ruby Member on Jan. 28, 2013 at 4:35 PM
Oh my God.

Quoting Anonymous:


A catholic hospital said that miscarried fetuses were not babies and their practice was to burn them in the incinerator as bio waste.


Quoting ruggy03:

I never believed in abortion until we started seeing all these news stories about babies and infants and toddlers being abused,killed,burnt.....then I thought really go thru a whole unwanted pregnancy just to wait until its a month old to kill it..uhm...Then my heart started breaking thinking about a baby who would recognize its parent or whomever the person was who decided to do horrible things to it.wouldnt it have been better off never seeing the light of day?my opinion only and i think at 18 weeks if you miscarry you have to consider a burial in Florida,so maybe each state has there own laws on when its a baby.




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LadyBugMom09
by Platinum Member on Jan. 28, 2013 at 4:36 PM
I think only if the moms life is in danger. I think abortion term limits should be much lower. 24 weeks, you're talking about a fully formed, feeling baby. Just because it may not survive outside of the womb, doesn't mean it's dead. We can't survive without our atmosphere, so does that mean we're not alive??

I don't necessarily believe in outlawing abortion all together, but I believe abortion is way too easy to get and the community as a whole is very cold and cruel to the whole thing, calling an unborn baby just a bunch of cells, a blood sucking parasite, a bag of undeveloped bones. I mean....whether you feell you have the right to end its life or not, you need to acknowledge what it is. A growing human.


Quoting BraydensMama163:

Do you consider all abortion to be wrong? Or do you see it as a case by case?

I am prochoice, as I said but I still don't like the idea of abortion. Especially when used as a form of birth control. Without abortion there would be a lot of women trying to abort on their own, for one reason or another and that is so very dangerous. Its an evil but its a necessary evil.




Quoting LadyBugMom09:

Life at conception. Abortion is wrong.

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LaughingTattoo
by on Jan. 28, 2013 at 4:36 PM

A fetus is a baby when those involved believe it is a baby

BraydensMama163
by Ruby Member on Jan. 28, 2013 at 4:37 PM
I think about that a lot. Nothing can take away the pain. That's for sure. Some times I'm still in shock over it. Like that actually happened to me....

And sometimes I catch myself thinking just be glad there wasn't a baby for you to see. And I feel horrible for thinking that.


Quoting Anonymous:

I would not but that does and should not diminish your loss



Quoting BraydensMama163:

In the case of a miscarriage, early lets say 4-8 weeks, do you consider that a loss of a baby? I had a miscarriage at 4 weeks and they never saw anything inside the sac. I consider that a baby even though I never saw one.



Quoting Anonymous:

yes, that would be a baby to me.  even though they were still born.  I do not think abortion is murder and I am staunchly pro-choice - and for the slow ones, (not you OP but in general) pro-choice does not = pro abortion




Quoting BraydensMama163:

But what about if a fetus is born sleeping? It might be 34 weeks and not have survived the pregnancy. Is it a baby (in your opinion) if something went wrong and it wasn't alive even though it was 34 weeks or so?


That's what I'm questioning and trying to figure out.






Quoting Anonymous:

I believe a fetus is a baby when it can survive outside the womb (so 22-24 weeks or so)








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BraydensMama163
by Ruby Member on Jan. 28, 2013 at 4:38 PM
Nice. To each their own. I can dig it.

Quoting LaughingTattoo:

A fetus is a baby when those involved believe it is a baby

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BraydensMama163
by Ruby Member on Jan. 28, 2013 at 4:40 PM
I can for sure agree with that.
I know a woman who got pregnant 6-7 times because she wanted a baby bit every time her bf said no she just went down to the clinic and aborted. That's beyond wrong IMO. And not to mention very dangerous to her as well.


Quoting LadyBugMom09:

I think only if the moms life is in danger. I think abortion term limits should be much lower. 24 weeks, you're talking about a fully formed, feeling baby. Just because it may not survive outside of the womb, doesn't mean it's dead. We can't survive without our atmosphere, so does that mean we're not alive??



I don't necessarily believe in outlawing abortion all together, but I believe abortion is way too easy to get and the community as a whole is very cold and cruel to the whole thing, calling an unborn baby just a bunch of cells, a blood sucking parasite, a bag of undeveloped bones. I mean....whether you feell you have the right to end its life or not, you need to acknowledge what it is. A growing human.




Quoting BraydensMama163:

Do you consider all abortion to be wrong? Or do you see it as a case by case?


I am prochoice, as I said but I still don't like the idea of abortion. Especially when used as a form of birth control. Without abortion there would be a lot of women trying to abort on their own, for one reason or another and that is so very dangerous. Its an evil but its a necessary evil.






Quoting LadyBugMom09:

Life at conception. Abortion is wrong.

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Anonymous
by Anonymous 5 on Jan. 28, 2013 at 4:40 PM


That is not what I said.  I said that if you look at the strict scientific definition of a parasite, a fetus would meet the criteria.  Look it up.

Quoting BraydensMama163:

Science decrees a fetus a parasite?

Quoting Anonymous:

I believe life begins when a viable baby takes it's first breath.  Before it is viable it fits the strict scientific definition of a parasite.



rockabillybetty
by on Jan. 28, 2013 at 4:41 PM
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Lol i added to my reply

Quoting BraydensMama163:

You ever seen dogma? Lol chris rock says that to Jay and I thought wow that super smart. Haha

Quoting Anonymous:

I have ideas more then beliefs. Because you can change and idea but trying to change a belief just puts you at war with yourself. . .i don't know if that makes sense to others but as long as i understand it, it doesn't matter lol


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