Where's my Obamacare??

[Anonymous]

I want to know where is the healthcare we were all promised under the whole Omabacare drama??  Why do we still have terribly ill people in this country with no coverage?  Was that topic of conversation just something else to get everyone all ralied up, or do we actually get to take advantage of that??

[thetrollcat]

hubby and I were comparing notes...

lets see here....

I calculated we will pay 3000 dollars in fee penalty for having no health insurance....

The CHEAPEST insurance we can find (self employed) is $895 a month...

Now you do the math which is cheaper?

Not many people can afford $895 a month, I know we cant

Quoting ElitestJen:

2014.  And those people will still be expected to pay for it.....along with everyone else.

Besides that, the Congressional Budget Office has already stated it will not benefit nearly as many people as Obama duped you into believing.

[Anonymous]

The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (PPACA) is phased in over the next year.  Here is a list of when each provision goes active.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patient_Protection_and_Affordable_Care_Act#Provisions

I have already seen benefits from this act.

1.  My insurance company failed to meet the 80% rule in the fall.  I received a refund check of several hundred dollars from my medical insurance company.

2.  My son has a fatal liver disease and he has not been able to have insurance due to it being a "pre-existing condition".  He now has insurance and will qualify for a transplant - saving his life.

When people criticize this Act it's like they are saying they wish my son would have no insurance and would die silently.

[Anonymous]

Yes, I understand all that, which is why I said it won't cost everyone. I am not a fan or supporter of Obamacare.

Quoting thetrollcat:

you understand the people that are really without health care are people that are just above poverty (welfare) and the middle class that own small businesses. Sure, some of the people JUST above poverty (welfare) will get insurance (extended to their income level) but not the people in the MIDDLE CLASS range which they are the other HALF without insurance.

Insurance will not be AVAILABLE for the middle class range and it will NOT be affordable. There will still be a large number of people WITHOUT health care insurance after OBAMACARE. 

This is called REALITY

Quoting Anonymous:

It won't cost everyone something. Under Obamacare, the limits on state funded healthcare will be raised so that more people qualify to be insured, for free.

Quoting thetrollcat:

Secondly Obamacare doesnt provide insurance. Its just a fee if you DONT have insurance. The states however, now offer insurance that cannot deny you if you are ill. But it cost money

[Anonymous]

Your talk sounds all good on Odumbocare but really what you describe and also the big eared fool creating this crock is health insurance reform. You know we could have opened the market requiring insurance companies to offer in all states where people could actually afford from the free competitive market and if they did not want it at all, at least they wouldn't be fined. 

Quoting thetrollcat:

you understand the people that are really without health care are people that are just above poverty (welfare) and the middle class that own small businesses. Sure, some of the people JUST above poverty (welfare) will get insurance (extended to their income level) but not the people in the MIDDLE CLASS range which they are the other HALF without insurance.

Insurance will not be AVAILABLE for the middle class range and it will NOT be affordable. There will still be a large number of people WITHOUT health care insurance after OBAMACARE. 

This is called REALITY

Quoting Anonymous:

It won't cost everyone something. Under Obamacare, the limits on state funded healthcare will be raised so that more people qualify to be insured, for free.

Quoting thetrollcat:

Secondly Obamacare doesnt provide insurance. Its just a fee if you DONT have insurance. The states however, now offer insurance that cannot deny you if you are ill. But it cost money

[Ms.Pink.]

Not scammed if you actually paid attention

Quoting Anonymous:

crap... scammed again ugh

Quoting thetrollcat:

you understand you have to pay for it right? Its not free.

[ElitestJen]

Quoting thetrollcat:

hubby and I were comparing notes...

lets see here....

I calculated we will pay 3000 dollars in fee penalty for having no health insurance....

The CHEAPEST insurance we can find (self employed) is $895 a month...

Now you do the math which is cheaper?

Not many people can afford $895 a month, I know we cant

Quoting ElitestJen:

2014.  And those people will still be expected to pay for it.....along with everyone else.

Besides that, the Congressional Budget Office has already stated it will not benefit nearly as many people as Obama duped you into believing.

There's no question the penalty is cheaper,  but remember - it will go up every year until 2020? 

The 2nd part is....while the penalty is cheaper, you're getting nothing out of it.  It's squandered money.  I know it's a tough call....but for someone who is all about the poor and middle class, it sure seems like a "poor tax."

[ElitestJen]

Quoting Anonymous:

The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (PPACA) is phased in over the next year.  Here is a list of when each provision goes active.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patient_Protection_and_Affordable_Care_Act#Provisions

I have already seen benefits from this act.

1.  My insurance company failed to meet the 80% rule in the fall.  I received a refund check of several hundred dollars from my medical insurance company.

2.  My son has a fatal liver disease and he has not been able to have insurance due to it being a "pre-existing condition".  He now has insurance.

When people criticize this Act it's like they are saying they wish my son would have no insurance and would die silently.

No.  When people criticize this Act, they're criticizing the Act. 

Stop being melodramatic and reaching for something to be offended about.

[thetrollcat]

Well we have no choice but the to pay the penalty you understand the difference between a few thousand compared to 10 thousand a year?

Ya you are right we are going to pay that fee because it is cheaper than the 10 WE SIMPLY DO NOT HAVE.

I mean people just dont get it... Self employed people DO NOT HAVE 895 a month for health care insurance, we just dont have it.

Quoting ElitestJen:

Quoting thetrollcat:

hubby and I were comparing notes...

lets see here....

I calculated we will pay 3000 dollars in fee penalty for having no health insurance....

The CHEAPEST insurance we can find (self employed) is $895 a month...

Now you do the math which is cheaper?

Not many people can afford $895 a month, I know we cant

Quoting ElitestJen:

2014.  And those people will still be expected to pay for it.....along with everyone else.

Besides that, the Congressional Budget Office has already stated it will not benefit nearly as many people as Obama duped you into believing.

There's no question the penalty is cheaper,  but remember - it will go up every year until 2020? 

The 2nd part is....while the penalty is cheaper, you're getting nothing out of it.  It's squandered money.  I know it's a tough call....but for someone who is all about the poor and middle class, it sure seems like a "poor tax."

[PinkButterfly66]

 I thought it wasn't supposed to kick in until 2014.

http://www.healthcare.gov/law/timeline/

[ElitestJen]

Quoting thetrollcat:

Well we have no choice but the to pay the penalty you understand the difference between a few thousand compared to 10 thousand a year?

Ya you are right we are going to pay that fee because it is cheaper than the 10 WE SIMPLY DO NOT HAVE.

I mean people just dont get it... Self employed people DO NOT HAVE 895 a month for health care insurance, we just dont have it.

Yeah, I get it. 

LOL  Someone has to pay for those people that are poorer than you!  Don't you know it's your DUTY to sacrifice so those poorer than you don't have to?