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Tax Refunds = BAD

Anonymous
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People complaining about their delayed refunds are wrong. Your goal shouldn't even be to get a tax refund and here is why!


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Refunds: They're wrong!

It's hard to get that through to my clients. But refunds are bad.

Sure, it's exciting to get a check from the Internal Revenue Service. Well, actually, it's from the Treasury, but you know what I mean. That misses the point, however.

It's not like you're gaining anything. That money was always yours. The feds are just giving it back. And that's the point.

When you get a refund, what that really means is that you've given the federal government an interest-free loan. You're just getting your money back.

In fiscal 2010, nearly 52 million taxpayers received refund checks, with an average refund of $3,082, up from $2,683 the year before. No matter how you do the math, that's a whole lot of interest-free dollars (about $160 billion).

An offer you can't refuse?

Jeff Schnepper

People just don't learn. They want that check from the government. But I can give you the same deal.

I hereby offer to allow anybody reading this to send me money. I'll take cash, checks, money orders, even food stamps. Send me as much as you want. And I promise -- on my word as MSN Money's tax expert -- that I'll send it back to you next April, without interest.

It sounds silly when you put it that way, doesn't it? But it's no different than getting a tax refund from the IRS.

Some people argue that refunds are a great way to save money. If they never see the dollars in their checks, it's easier to put aside money for, say, that big-screen plasma TV they've been drooling over.

Open your eyes, financial fool! That's what payroll savings deductions are designed to do. Increase your retirement-plan contributions. Buy savings bonds. Or just put an extra $50 per paycheck into a money-market fund.

Here's what I'll do. I'll up the ante on my original deal. Not only will I give you your money back, but I'll add a whopping 1% to your original contribution. That's more than money-market funds are paying. You can't beat that kind of deal.

Aim to withhold just enough

If I can't entice you with my "deal of the decade," what should you do?

Aim for the safe harbors. That's the minimum amount you have to pay during the year to avoid any interest and penalties. There's no interest or penalty if any of the following apply when you file your return:

  • You owe less than $1,000.
  • You've paid in at least 90% of your 2011 liability.
  • You've paid in at least 100% of your prior year's total tax.

If your adjusted gross income (Line 37 on your Form 1040 for 2010) was more than $150,000, you need to pay 110% of your total tax, rather than 100%. So if my 2010 adjusted gross income was $160,000 and my total tax was $10,000, I'd need to pay 110% of that, or $11,000, during 2011 to hit that safe harbor. If I do that, there's no interest or penalty to pay, regardless of how much I owe in April 2012.

If you're paying through withholdings, they are deemed to be paid evenly during the year, regardless of when they are remitted. I have some clients who have nothing withheld during the first 10 months and then meet their safe harbors with November and December withholdings.

If you're making estimated payments, they need be equal or, if your income varies substantially during the year, proportional to the income earned during each quarter. So on a simplistic basis, if I have $100,000 in income earned and $40,000 was earned in the first quarter, I'd need 40% of my tax paid in during that quarter. Technically, it's called the annualized income installment method, and it's a bit more complicated than my example.

See Form 2210 (.pdf file) for the required computations.

If you expect to owe additional taxes, it would be prudent to put those dollars into a money market fund (or send them to me) until needed. At least that way, as opposed to increasing your payments to the IRS, you'll get the interest. Just make sure you hit one of the safe harbors.

And don't get any more big refunds. Refunds are bad, bad, bad! Trust me on this.


Posted by Anonymous on Feb. 2, 2013 at 10:48 AM
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mariesmama
by on Feb. 2, 2013 at 10:49 AM

like i care its still a roof over our heads for a few more monthes till i can find work

Anonymous
by Anonymous 2 on Feb. 2, 2013 at 10:51 AM
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Not the people who get EIC...it isn't their money, yet they still get it.

Anonymous
by Anonymous 3 on Feb. 2, 2013 at 10:52 AM
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Eh. I hate the idea of owing so badly that I would rather take out too much.
Angelicembrace
by The Dorkfish on Feb. 2, 2013 at 10:53 AM
*shrug*
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BEXi
by BEXi on Feb. 2, 2013 at 10:53 AM
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Oh boy this should be good.

Anonymous
by Anonymous 4 on Feb. 2, 2013 at 10:53 AM
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It's like preaching the gospel to a bunch of atheists, a total waste of time trying to change the mindset of people who have made up their mind about something.

The vast majority of the people on this site think a tax refund is a reward and not money they should have been getting throughout the year.

Anonymous
by Anonymous 5 on Feb. 2, 2013 at 10:54 AM
I get more than I pay so sounds good to me
TB78
by Tasha on Feb. 2, 2013 at 10:54 AM
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at least we can use that refund to help pay off our bills. maybe we should start charging interest on the government. Who's with me?! :-)

VannaMae307
by on Feb. 2, 2013 at 10:54 AM
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I'm getting $12 back and it's the first time we don't owe! Let me have my celebration, damn it!

Anonymous
by Anonymous 6 on Feb. 2, 2013 at 10:54 AM

I claim 5 exemptions and still get a few thousand back (filed jointly with DH). I have a childcare deduction, mortgage interest deduction, property tax deduction, educator deduction, and 2 kids to claim.

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