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Anyone Heard Of The Mountain Meadows Massacre?

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This is an evil monstrosity that the LDS 'Church' did back in the mid-1800s.
I grew up LDS and never knew anything about this.
The Baker-Fancher immigrant train came to the Salt Lake Valley, planning to head west to California. The Mormons would not trade or do any business with the wagon train.
The Mormons told them that the northern passage was riddled with Natives who were angry at the white man and that the southern passage was safer and easier to travel.
This was a lie.
Also, word had been sent to the southern Mormons not to do business with the train, as well.
The morning of Monday September 7, 1857 was bright, warm.
A little boy had just sat down to eat his breakfast when he was shot and killed- the first victim.
Then followed the shooting of 10-15 more immigrants- 7 of whom died then, three of which died days later.
The train members made a circle of the wagons and dug a trench to protect themselves.
For days, there were shots fired.
Friday, Sept. 11, under the guise of surrender, a Mormon man walked into the immigrant encampment to convince the members that they should leave the area. He promised them their lives if they walked away from their weapons and belongings.
Women and men walked single file. Children and those men too injured, were pulled in a wagon- all led by Mormons.
After walking about a mile, the procession was halted.
A Mormon yelled t o his brethren "Do your duty!" and shots rang out.
Within a matter of minutes, 120+ men, women and CHILDREN were killed.
17 orphans were taken to a ranch a few miles away, to be adopted by Mormon families.

There was no reason for this massacre, other than blind devotion to a man who says he is of God.
How can this 'church' be good, when they have this history on their heads?

by on Feb. 19, 2013 at 1:11 AM
Replies (101-110):
AngelPooh
by on Feb. 20, 2013 at 12:28 AM
God has nothing to do with murder. Man made those descisions, carried them out and will deal with the consequences. God did not tell men to fly planes into to world trade center... And thats just one example. Our world is full of the evil actions of men not God.
Mocking.Jay
by Gold Member on Feb. 20, 2013 at 12:28 AM

This reminds me of the Canadian Residential Schools.

Momniscient
by Ruby Member on Feb. 20, 2013 at 12:28 AM

I am not Mormon nor am I an expert but I grew up in Utah and know that her post is full of misinformation and shit.

Quoting Sandiekd21:

I don't like the LDS religion, but this is false.
My aunt is a faithful member. Pays her tithes every month.
One month, things were tight. SHe had to choose between tithing and feeding her kids.
The bishop came to her house and asked what was going on.
She told him.
He told her to pay her tithe and let him worry about feeding her family.
Then proceeded to bring food to her house for my aunt, uncle and cousins.
They do take care of their own.

Quoting Bonita131:

How can this 'church' be good, when they have this history on their heads?

There never was a "church," Mormonism is a cult.  The word "church" is only there and used, so the Mormons can rip off the government and taxpayers by not having to pay any taxes on their land and investments.  Do some research, (the ex mormon website) they own shopping centers, resorts, you name it, with all of it tax free as they claim it is part of the "church".  They suck gullible members dry with tithes, making some of  them choose between eating or face the wrath of the "church" for not paying their "share". It wasn't that long ago black people were considered evil by mormons, they would never let a black person join the "church." The only reason that rule changed is because of public pressure. Its really quite disgusting.




Momniscient
by Ruby Member on Feb. 20, 2013 at 12:30 AM

Right. God didn't tell priests to molest kids or tell preachers to try to heal through snake bites.


Quoting AngelPooh:

God has nothing to do with murder. Man made those descisions, carried them out and will deal with the consequences. God did not tell men to fly planes into to world trade center... And thats just one example. Our world is full of the evil actions of men not God.



ColieO
by Ruby Member on Feb. 20, 2013 at 12:34 AM
So baptizing a baby as an infant is better?

Quoting Sandiekd21:

Of course the Inquisition is important. It was a terrible time in history where a lot of people died for their beliefs.
BUT- at least (for the most part) the people who died were dying for their God.
Not true with MMM.
I do have strong feelings about the LDS church. I was raised Mormon and baptised at eight, where they 'washed away my sins' and promised myself to Jesus.
At eight, you know nothing of life or religion. How can you make such a HUGE choice saying that you are going to follow and believe this your whole life?
Plus, what sins has and wight year old child commited? Seriously?

Quoting klbetts:

I guess the Inquisition means nothing to you? Or do you just feel the need to find all of the negative things you can about the LDS church and post them here? It's obvious that you have strong feelings about the church.


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Sandiekd21
by Platinum Member on Feb. 20, 2013 at 12:36 AM

If I was so against the LDS hurch, then why would I have corrected TWO posters who have posted in here about false stuff within it?
The first one I corrected was saying falacies about baptism for the dead. I let her know that it was not forced upon the deceased, that they get to choose whether or not to accept it.
The second was was regarding tithing and if you don't tuthe, you face the wrath of the church. I told that poster that she was wrong, too.
I will defend the church when a total lie is stated.
But, I will admit it's faults, too.
Can you say that?

Quoting heresjohnny:

History isn't disgusting. What's disgusting is the intent of this post. You are an ex-Mormon, you hate the religion, and now you're trying to spread the Mormon hate. This wasn't a friendly history lesson, but you already know that.


Quoting Sandiekd21:

So, knowledge is disgusting?
That's the point of this post. To educate people of a dark thing in American history. Yes, it has to do with the Mormons. So what?

Quoting heresjohnny:

I don't see the point of posting this, other than to show everyone how horrible the LDS church is =/ Since the beginning of time, there's been a wake of death and destruction in the name of God. The Bible itself tells stories of women and children being massacred for having the "wrong" beliefs. There's nothing wrong with knowing your history, but the intent of this post is disgusting.





Sandiekd21
by Platinum Member on Feb. 20, 2013 at 12:38 AM

My original post, or bonita's reply?

Quoting Momniscient:

I am not Mormon nor am I an expert but I grew up in Utah and know that her post is full of misinformation and shit.

Quoting Sandiekd21:

I don't like the LDS religion, but this is false.
My aunt is a faithful member. Pays her tithes every month.
One month, things were tight. SHe had to choose between tithing and feeding her kids.
The bishop came to her house and asked what was going on.
She told him.
He told her to pay her tithe and let him worry about feeding her family.
Then proceeded to bring food to her house for my aunt, uncle and cousins.
They do take care of their own.

Quoting Bonita131:

How can this 'church' be good, when they have this history on their heads?

There never was a "church," Mormonism is a cult.  The word "church" is only there and used, so the Mormons can rip off the government and taxpayers by not having to pay any taxes on their land and investments.  Do some research, (the ex mormon website) they own shopping centers, resorts, you name it, with all of it tax free as they claim it is part of the "church".  They suck gullible members dry with tithes, making some of  them choose between eating or face the wrath of the "church" for not paying their "share". It wasn't that long ago black people were considered evil by mormons, they would never let a black person join the "church." The only reason that rule changed is because of public pressure. Its really quite disgusting.




Sandiekd21
by Platinum Member on Feb. 20, 2013 at 12:41 AM

No. It isn't.
I would never baptise an infant.
A baby blessing is different, though. It's just asking the deity that the parents believe in to watch over and guide the child through life.
Actually going through and baptizing a baby? No. Wrong, in my opinion.

Quoting ColieO:

So baptizing a baby as an infant is better?

Quoting Sandiekd21:

Of course the Inquisition is important. It was a terrible time in history where a lot of people died for their beliefs.
BUT- at least (for the most part) the people who died were dying for their God.
Not true with MMM.
I do have strong feelings about the LDS church. I was raised Mormon and baptised at eight, where they 'washed away my sins' and promised myself to Jesus.
At eight, you know nothing of life or religion. How can you make such a HUGE choice saying that you are going to follow and believe this your whole life?
Plus, what sins has and wight year old child commited? Seriously?

Quoting klbetts:

I guess the Inquisition means nothing to you? Or do you just feel the need to find all of the negative things you can about the LDS church and post them here? It's obvious that you have strong feelings about the church.



Anonymous
by Anonymous 18 on Feb. 20, 2013 at 12:42 AM
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I don't care what"religion" you claim to be serving God means bringing these things to light. Just like the pope staying in the Vatican ti avoid the molestation scandal. I would leave Catholicism after that.


Quoting bcoll:

 I've always known about this, but I love history, especially this time period.


All I can say here is that lots of terrible things have been done in the name of God and under cover of religion. That still doesn't make the religion bad. It makes those PEOPLE bad.


ColieO
by Ruby Member on Feb. 20, 2013 at 12:42 AM
Then the Catholic church is no better for baptizing infants because they have "original sin".

Quoting Sandiekd21:

No. It isn't.
I would never baptise an infant.
A baby blessing is different, though. It's just asking the deity that the parents believe in to watch over and guide the child through life.
Actually going through and baptizing a baby? No. Wrong, in my opinion.

Quoting ColieO:

So baptizing a baby as an infant is better?



Quoting Sandiekd21:

Of course the Inquisition is important. It was a terrible time in history where a lot of people died for their beliefs.
BUT- at least (for the most part) the people who died were dying for their God.
Not true with MMM.
I do have strong feelings about the LDS church. I was raised Mormon and baptised at eight, where they 'washed away my sins' and promised myself to Jesus.
At eight, you know nothing of life or religion. How can you make such a HUGE choice saying that you are going to follow and believe this your whole life?
Plus, what sins has and wight year old child commited? Seriously?

Quoting klbetts:

I guess the Inquisition means nothing to you? Or do you just feel the need to find all of the negative things you can about the LDS church and post them here? It's obvious that you have strong feelings about the church.



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