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Anyone Heard Of The Mountain Meadows Massacre?

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This is an evil monstrosity that the LDS 'Church' did back in the mid-1800s.
I grew up LDS and never knew anything about this.
The Baker-Fancher immigrant train came to the Salt Lake Valley, planning to head west to California. The Mormons would not trade or do any business with the wagon train.
The Mormons told them that the northern passage was riddled with Natives who were angry at the white man and that the southern passage was safer and easier to travel.
This was a lie.
Also, word had been sent to the southern Mormons not to do business with the train, as well.
The morning of Monday September 7, 1857 was bright, warm.
A little boy had just sat down to eat his breakfast when he was shot and killed- the first victim.
Then followed the shooting of 10-15 more immigrants- 7 of whom died then, three of which died days later.
The train members made a circle of the wagons and dug a trench to protect themselves.
For days, there were shots fired.
Friday, Sept. 11, under the guise of surrender, a Mormon man walked into the immigrant encampment to convince the members that they should leave the area. He promised them their lives if they walked away from their weapons and belongings.
Women and men walked single file. Children and those men too injured, were pulled in a wagon- all led by Mormons.
After walking about a mile, the procession was halted.
A Mormon yelled t o his brethren "Do your duty!" and shots rang out.
Within a matter of minutes, 120+ men, women and CHILDREN were killed.
17 orphans were taken to a ranch a few miles away, to be adopted by Mormon families.

There was no reason for this massacre, other than blind devotion to a man who says he is of God.
How can this 'church' be good, when they have this history on their heads?

by on Feb. 19, 2013 at 1:11 AM
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karisma22
by Silver Member on Feb. 19, 2013 at 2:42 AM

The Mormons who are alive today had nothing to do with the massacre.  Many religions have committed atrocities over the centuries.  How many millions of people have died in the name of religion?  The Catholics and the Protestants both killed millions over the centuries.

lokilover
by Silver Member on Feb. 19, 2013 at 2:53 AM



Quoting Anonymous:

 No, it's not. But religious people have been doing terrible shit since time began.  The people who did this were bad people. At least they didn't wipe out entire populations of people (hundreds of thousands of people) for their God like Christians have. And the Christians who did it weren't bad people, they did all in the name of their God.

Quoting Anonymous:

I'm not the OP and I'm not Christian. I don't think the crusades were ok. But this thread is not about that. You are more than welcome to start a thread about the crusades! :-)


Quoting Anonymous:

 Are you a Christian? Do the Crusades mean anything to you? All through time mislead Christians have murdered people for their God. It's been over looked and many devout Christians do not see what was wrong with the Crusades or any other time in history when non-Christians have been murdered or coerced in to Christianity. Do you know what Missionaries do to those people in non-Christian areas? They manipulate them in to becoming Christians for non-insect ridden food, non-contaminated water, educations, etc.. But, for most, that's okay. Of course, if 1 group of Mormons did something or some fanatical Muslims THAT is an issue. Gotta love Christianity and their skewed view of right and wrong. Of course, if you aren't a Christian...my apologies for lumping you in with them.


 

Mormons are Christians.

Anonymous
by Anonymous on Feb. 19, 2013 at 2:59 AM
I didnt know mormoms were that old
Anonymous
by Anonymous on Feb. 19, 2013 at 2:59 AM
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This is really famous.  It's why the LDS started with a very bad reputation.  Trying to frame Indians for massacring people just trying to get somewhere to make a new life is horrible!

You know they blame the mormons teachings against outsiders for some of the hate.  Many people still believe the Mormons are a hate group, like nazis.

Anonymous
by Anonymous on Feb. 19, 2013 at 3:00 AM
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But the teachings that promoted the massacre are still being taught.  That is why this cloud hangs over mormons.

Quoting karisma22:

The Mormons who are alive today had nothing to do with the massacre.  Many religions have committed atrocities over the centuries.  How many millions of people have died in the name of religion?  The Catholics and the Protestants both killed millions over the centuries.


Anonymous
by Anonymous on Feb. 19, 2013 at 3:20 AM
LDS?
Brain fart but all I can come up with is Labor Delivery Services... I know that's not it..

ETA- I know what it means now.
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Anonymous
by Anonymous on Feb. 19, 2013 at 3:27 AM
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But the Mormons that are alive today still have Brigham Young up on a pedestal. Even though it is thought that he ordered this to happen. You say other religions have killed as well. Yes that's true but we are not just talking about members we are talking about the founders. Supposed prophets! Yes the crusades were horrible but Jesus didn't take part in them. Some of the worst things done by the Mormon church were done or ordered by Joseph Smith and Brigham Young.


Quoting karisma22:

The Mormons who are alive today had nothing to do with the massacre.  Many religions have committed atrocities over the centuries.  How many millions of people have died in the name of religion?  The Catholics and the Protestants both killed millions over the centuries.


Anonymous
by Anonymous on Feb. 19, 2013 at 3:27 AM
Latter Day Saints


Quoting Anonymous:

LDS?

Brain fart but all I can come up with is Labor Delivery Services... I know that's not it..

Sandiekd21
by Platinum Member on Feb. 19, 2013 at 9:32 AM

Of course the Inquisition is important. It was a terrible time in history where a lot of people died for their beliefs.
BUT- at least (for the most part) the people who died were dying for their God.
Not true with MMM.
I do have strong feelings about the LDS church. I was raised Mormon and baptised at eight, where they 'washed away my sins' and promised myself to Jesus.
At eight, you know nothing of life or religion. How can you make such a HUGE choice saying that you are going to follow and believe this your whole life?
Plus, what sins has and wight year old child commited? Seriously?

Quoting klbetts:

I guess the Inquisition means nothing to you? Or do you just feel the need to find all of the negative things you can about the LDS church and post them here? It's obvious that you have strong feelings about the church.


Sandiekd21
by Platinum Member on Feb. 19, 2013 at 9:33 AM

I never claimed that the Mormons were the only ones with a bloody past.
My post was just referring to MMM. That's all.

Quoting Anonymous:

I dont know why so many mormon posts are popping up but if you think the mormon past is the only past with blood on their hands you are sadly mistaken. There are plenty of other stories to tell. Why mormons all the sudden. Did I miss the memo that it is bash a Mormon week?


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