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Anyone Heard Of The Mountain Meadows Massacre?

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This is an evil monstrosity that the LDS 'Church' did back in the mid-1800s.
I grew up LDS and never knew anything about this.
The Baker-Fancher immigrant train came to the Salt Lake Valley, planning to head west to California. The Mormons would not trade or do any business with the wagon train.
The Mormons told them that the northern passage was riddled with Natives who were angry at the white man and that the southern passage was safer and easier to travel.
This was a lie.
Also, word had been sent to the southern Mormons not to do business with the train, as well.
The morning of Monday September 7, 1857 was bright, warm.
A little boy had just sat down to eat his breakfast when he was shot and killed- the first victim.
Then followed the shooting of 10-15 more immigrants- 7 of whom died then, three of which died days later.
The train members made a circle of the wagons and dug a trench to protect themselves.
For days, there were shots fired.
Friday, Sept. 11, under the guise of surrender, a Mormon man walked into the immigrant encampment to convince the members that they should leave the area. He promised them their lives if they walked away from their weapons and belongings.
Women and men walked single file. Children and those men too injured, were pulled in a wagon- all led by Mormons.
After walking about a mile, the procession was halted.
A Mormon yelled t o his brethren "Do your duty!" and shots rang out.
Within a matter of minutes, 120+ men, women and CHILDREN were killed.
17 orphans were taken to a ranch a few miles away, to be adopted by Mormon families.

There was no reason for this massacre, other than blind devotion to a man who says he is of God.
How can this 'church' be good, when they have this history on their heads?

by on Feb. 19, 2013 at 1:11 AM
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demonica29
by Gold Member on Feb. 19, 2013 at 9:48 AM

Actually, the religion started I. Upstate New York,they were run out of there before Missouri. I believe they were run out of Ohio too, but I might be wrong. 


Quoting Sandiekd21:

Are you kiddding me? The Mormons were originally from Missouri.
And, they ran to the Utah Territory, where the leader of the time proclaimed was Zion and they should build their temple upon the sacred grounds.
So, it sounds like they were HAPPY to be run out of Missouri.
What revenge was needed from these Arkansans?

Quoting katarina666:

The mountain Meadows massacre was a revenge killing .The people who were murdered by the Mormon church were from an area of the states where Mormons were run out and Joseph Smith killed  by an angry mob.




Sandiekd21
by Platinum Member on Feb. 19, 2013 at 9:48 AM

I will say that I agree more with baptisms for the dead than I do with baptisms for eight year old children (which is what age you are baptised if you're family is members).
At least in baptising the dead, the dead can make a choice.
What choice does and eight year old kid have?

Quoting Anonymous:

What I don't understand about Mormons is that the 'church/organization' baptizes dead people. Anne Frank was NOT Mormon. It is so wrong.


Sandiekd21
by Platinum Member on Feb. 19, 2013 at 9:50 AM

Will do.
Where can I find it?

Quoting Anonymous:

Read the banner of heaven it goes really in depth of the whole massacre everything leading up to it


Sandiekd21
by Platinum Member on Feb. 19, 2013 at 9:51 AM

Yeah, it's still very hush-hush.
The Mormons like to pretend it never happened.

Quoting amberstars:

I never knew about this.  We weren't taught this in American History in or in college. 


Sandiekd21
by Platinum Member on Feb. 19, 2013 at 9:54 AM

I am Wiccan.
And of course the Crusades were important.
But,  Iwasn't talking about Christianity, just MMM.

Quoting Anonymous:

 Are you a Christian? Do the Crusades mean anything to you? All through time mislead Christians have murdered people for their God. It's been over looked and many devout Christians do not see what was wrong with the Crusades or any other time in history when non-Christians have been murdered or coerced in to Christianity. Do you know what Missionaries do to those people in non-Christian areas? They manipulate them in to becoming Christians for non-insect ridden food, non-contaminated water, educations, etc.. But, for most, that's okay. Of course, if 1 group of Mormons did something or some fanatical Muslims THAT is an issue. Gotta love Christianity and their skewed view of right and wrong. Of course, if you aren't a Christian...my apologies for lumping you in with them.


demonica29
by Gold Member on Feb. 19, 2013 at 9:54 AM
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Nope. Because I don't consider any member of any of those groups to be a good person if they deny horrors committed by their group in the past. The vast majority of Mormons deny Mountain Meadows. So what exactly are you saying?


Quoting motherslove82:

How can any white person be good when they have a history of owning slaves?

How can any German be good with the holocaust in there history?

How can any black person be good when they have a history of selling their own people into slavery?

How can any American be good after what was done to the Native Americans?

Do you see where I am going with this?



Sandiekd21
by Platinum Member on Feb. 19, 2013 at 9:55 AM
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When I was 18, I actually wanted to write a fictionalized book about this, from a surviving child's eyes.

Quoting Anonymous:

You forgot the part about how they dressed as native Americans so that they would take the blame. It was only after someone was recognized that they admitted who they were. It was all for money. After killing them they stole and sold their belongings. I always think of the surviving kids. Can you imagine having your parents murdered in front of your eyes and then being "adopted" by the murders?


Grumpylilpixy
by on Feb. 19, 2013 at 9:59 AM
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There is many wrongs that go on with this church and yet many follow so blindly. The bible says be warned of false prophets and that is what they are following a false prophet. It is sickening to say the least.

demonica29
by Gold Member on Feb. 19, 2013 at 9:59 AM

I'm trying to remember because I figured someone would ask. We need to be off for work and school, but I'll try to Google later and see if anything rings a bell. It was well worth the read. 


Quoting mrspena:


Do you know the name of the book?

Quoting demonica29:

Yeah, when I had a brief bout of insanity and considered being baptized into he Mormon church, someone gave me a Mormom history book to read. Real history, written by a non-Mormon.





Anonymous
by Anonymous on Feb. 19, 2013 at 10:03 AM
You act like this is the first (or last) case of religious orders killing people im cold-blood. because apperently its ok to God to kill people that you think doesnt follow him like they should or do as you think they should.
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