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can you cure autism?

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My dsd is four and has autism. She is starting a new home therapy program. The lady came tonight to go over it with dh and I. She met with Bm last week about it. Anyway, the lady said this program cured her own daughter of autism and that she went from being non verbal to no one believing she once had autism. I don't buy it. Don't get me wrong, I am all for helping dsd but if autism had a cure, why isn't everyone using the program?????
Posted by Anonymous on Feb. 26, 2013 at 9:29 PM
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slashteddy
by Platinum Member on Feb. 27, 2013 at 9:34 PM
GTFO of that program.
Anonymous
by Anonymous 32 on Feb. 27, 2013 at 9:37 PM

Nope. The only reason they are "CURED" is because they did not actually have anything wrong with them in the first place: ie, they were SUPER YOUNG when they were  "diagnosed", and then 5 years later all their issues are gone. Nope. Super bullshit

lancet98
by Platinum Member on Feb. 27, 2013 at 9:37 PM

 

Sorry.  You are incorrect.   Do some reading; I'm not going to fight with you about it.   You're just wrong.  What's you're claiming is wishful thinking and nothing more.

Quoting svolkov:

. No that is the difference between reg autism and late onset. Those who develop late onset meet normal milestones up until the point of regression(usually before age 3). That is the only major difference and why it has a different name. My undergrad is spec ed and my grad degree is applied behavior analysis with autism specialist cert ;) thanks tho


Quoting lancet98:

 Just one little teensy weensy problem.


The kids don't  'develop normally and regress'.    They were missing milestones all along - language milestones, etc.


Skills do indeed disappear, but they were not meeting  major milestones, well before 2, and well before vaccination.


They are not 'developing normally and then stop developing normally'.   That is a fallacy.


Read Catalano, who is an expert on 'late onset autism'.   Also consider reading about CDD.


 


Quoting svolkov:

I think the problem is there is late onset autism that usually happens around two....yhe exact same time of many shots. So a child would be normally developing then regress. The genome idea would be what might make some more susceptible they are thinkng. The folate research hasnt been peer reviewed or published yet. I got access to it from my university for a research paper I am working on for my phd. Its pretty interesting tho




 

lancet98
by Platinum Member on Feb. 27, 2013 at 9:43 PM

 Maybe, maybe not.

Excessive and unrealistic enthusiasm is found in students of legitimate programs as well as not-legimitate ripoff type programs.

It's not a reliable barometer. 

 What the vendor claims - that's a far more reliable barometer of ripoff-edness but so is the 'ridiculous-and-impossible-reason-why-this-works'.   Also be VERY aware that a lot of these 'cures' are having a 'second childhood', or even a third or fourth one.   In other words, ten or fifteen years ago, they were being marketed as curing developmental delays, Downs Syndrome, Mental Illness, or delinquency.  

It helps, in a way, to be old.   If you are older, you've seen these fad cures come and go, and be applied to very different unrelated disorders.  

 Be VERY careful of these 'snake oil cures'.  What was called 'snake oil' used to be sold by traveling salesmen that rode from town to town - the 'snake oil' would cure bunions, 'woman trouble', alcoholism, obesity, diabetes, brain tumors, and hangnails.   If something is supposed to cure multiple extremely different things, that's just one more clue that it's not a legitimate treatment.

 Parents of autistic kids have to be especially cautious about what they believe; a lot of wack jobs have been attracted to the 'Autism Marketplace' for a long time; some are even regarded as 'legit' because they have been ripping people off for a long time.

 

Quoting slashteddy:

GTFO of that program.

 

 

svolkov
by Emerald Member on Feb. 27, 2013 at 9:44 PM
Please show me the info you have that says late onset autism is characterized by not meeting developmental milestones before onset. Because that is normal autism. A regression is the key for diagnosing late onset. I have 6yrs of formal special education. Ive definitely done some serious reading on it. Most recently my phd textbook. Initial chapter went over basics ;)


Quoting lancet98:

 


Sorry.  You are incorrect.   Do some reading; I'm not going to fight with you about it.   You're just wrong.  What's you're claiming is wishful thinking and nothing more.


Quoting svolkov:

. No that is the difference between reg autism and late onset. Those who develop late onset meet normal milestones up until the point of regression(usually before age 3). That is the only major difference and why it has a different name. My undergrad is spec ed and my grad degree is applied behavior analysis with autism specialist cert ;) thanks tho



Quoting lancet98:


 Just one little teensy weensy problem.



The kids don't  'develop normally and regress'.    They were missing milestones all along - language milestones, etc.



Skills do indeed disappear, but they were not meeting  major milestones, well before 2, and well before vaccination.



They are not 'developing normally and then stop developing normally'.   That is a fallacy.



Read Catalano, who is an expert on 'late onset autism'.   Also consider reading about CDD.



 



Quoting svolkov:

I think the problem is there is late onset autism that usually happens around two....yhe exact same time of many shots. So a child would be normally developing then regress. The genome idea would be what might make some more susceptible they are thinkng. The folate research hasnt been peer reviewed or published yet. I got access to it from my university for a research paper I am working on for my phd. Its pretty interesting tho






 


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by Anonymous 33 on Feb. 27, 2013 at 9:48 PM
I hate to agree. Some diagnosed children do not have Autism. They are just really shy or have some behavioral issues that they grow out.


Quoting Anonymous:

Nope. The only reason they are "CURED" is because they did not actually have anything wrong with them in the first place: ie, they were SUPER YOUNG when they were  "diagnosed", and then 5 years later all their issues are gone. Nope. Super bullshit

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lancet98
by Platinum Member on Feb. 27, 2013 at 9:50 PM

 No, I'm not going to do that.

Your mind is set in cement on this matter.   Anything I quote, any book I recommend (I recommended several), any study, any analysis of the brain differences and when they develop and how they affect development, anything that contradicts what you want to believe, which is that these kids are 100% normal and suddenly are affected (by a vaccine, I suppose - that's the usual reason why people reject such FACTS) you will discard as 'wrong'.

I don't provide information for people who act like that - I don't do grunt work for people who only want to argue and aren't willing to learn.  If you're genuinely  interested in learning something new(which I doubt),  go find the information yourself.    I'm not playing dueling quotes with you.   You can dredge up someone to quote that autism is caused by whatever agenda anyone has, because someone out there has said it at some time.   People have also claimed that high heeled shoes cause mental illness - in print.   A guy actually did a study that proved that.   The only thing that most people missed was that he did it as a joke.

All I can hope is that others working on autism aren't so bloody convinced they already know everything about it as you are.

Quoting svolkov:

Please show me the info you have that says late onset autism is characterized by not meeting developmental milestones before onset. Because that is normal autism. A regression is the key for diagnosing late onset. I have 6yrs of formal special education. Ive definitely done some serious reading on it. Most recently my phd textbook. Initial chapter went over basics ;)


Quoting lancet98:

 


Sorry.  You are incorrect.  

svolkov
by Emerald Member on Feb. 27, 2013 at 9:56 PM
Im seriously curious where u read that because its alarming. Every single text/ legitimate scientific study(peer reviewed and published) says what I just stated. I am not a diagnostician however along with my aba I do have an autism specialist certification. And every peice of info I have ever read about late onset is w hat I stated. There is a TON of things no one yet knows about autism however the MAIN characteristic that differentiates late onset with traditional autism is the regression or loss of already accomplished skills and milestones...for example a child who sat, crawled, made eye contact, pointed ay things etc will lose those abilities. They will no longer mske eye contact or wont point or verbalize objects as they did previously.


Quoting lancet98:

 No, I'm not going to do that.


Your mind is set in cement on this matter.   Anything I quote, any book I recommend (I recommended several), any study, any analysis of the brain differences and when they develop and how they affect development, anything that contradicts what you want to believe, which is that these kids are 100% normal and suddenly are affected (by a vaccine, I suppose - that's the usual reason why people reject such FACTS) you will discard as 'wrong'.


I don't provide information for people who act like that.  If you're genuinely  interested in learning something new(which I doubt),  go find the information yourself.    I'm not playing dueling quotes with you.   You can dredge up someone to quote that autism is caused by whatever agenda anyone has, because someone out there has said it at some time.   People have also claimed that high heeled shoes cause mental illness - in print.   A guy actually did a study that proved that.   The only thing that most people missed was that he did it as a joke.


All I can hope is that others working on autism aren't so bloody convinced they already know everything about it as you are.


Quoting svolkov:

Please show me the info you have that says late onset autism is characterized by not meeting developmental milestones before onset. Because that is normal autism. A regression is the key for diagnosing late onset. I have 6yrs of formal special education. Ive definitely done some serious reading on it. Most recently my phd textbook. Initial chapter went over basics ;)



Quoting lancet98:


 



Sorry.  You are incorrect.  


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svolkov
by Emerald Member on Feb. 27, 2013 at 9:57 PM
Oh and no I dont rhink its caused by vaccines. My original comment you quoted said differently


Quoting lancet98:

 No, I'm not going to do that.


Your mind is set in cement on this matter.   Anything I quote, any book I recommend (I recommended several), any study, any analysis of the brain differences and when they develop and how they affect development, anything that contradicts what you want to believe, which is that these kids are 100% normal and suddenly are affected (by a vaccine, I suppose - that's the usual reason why people reject such FACTS) you will discard as 'wrong'.


I don't provide information for people who act like that - I don't do grunt work for people who only want to argue and aren't willing to learn.  If you're genuinely  interested in learning something new(which I doubt),  go find the information yourself.    I'm not playing dueling quotes with you.   You can dredge up someone to quote that autism is caused by whatever agenda anyone has, because someone out there has said it at some time.   People have also claimed that high heeled shoes cause mental illness - in print.   A guy actually did a study that proved that.   The only thing that most people missed was that he did it as a joke.


All I can hope is that others working on autism aren't so bloody convinced they already know everything about it as you are.


Quoting svolkov:

Please show me the info you have that says late onset autism is characterized by not meeting developmental milestones before onset. Because that is normal autism. A regression is the key for diagnosing late onset. I have 6yrs of formal special education. Ive definitely done some serious reading on it. Most recently my phd textbook. Initial chapter went over basics ;)



Quoting lancet98:


 



Sorry.  You are incorrect.  


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3mom627
by on Feb. 27, 2013 at 9:59 PM

 I don't think there is a so called "cure", but methods of helping the person. I think it would also depend on the level of autism.

3MOM627

have a nice day

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