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Senior dies, nurse refused to do CPR

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There is no legal requirment for the nurse to have done CPR on this woman. Do you agree or disagree with the way this nurse handled this?

http://www.hlntv.com/video/2013/03/04/nurse-refuses-cpr-911-call


by on Mar. 4, 2013 at 12:44 PM
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Anonymous
by Anonymous 3 on Mar. 4, 2013 at 1:08 PM
Not only her she said there was no one that could do it! She wouldn't allow anyone that wanted to help actually help. What's sad is that the elderly woman's family is okay with the nurses decision! I would have been furious! Seriously if you had any heart you would of done it. It was a life or death situation and she didnt care about the woman. Selfish bi**h!
MicheleJM
by Phoenix on Mar. 4, 2013 at 1:08 PM

The kind of breathing the victim is doing is important.  If the victim is gasping the correct procedure now is to go to compressions.


Quoting Anonymous:

My DH was a security supervisor at a big casino and while on the clock a lady started having a heart atack and according to policy if they are still breathing he couldnt perform CPR, so he just had to choose to sit there with her, holding her hand while they waited for thr EMTs to make their way through, unfortunately she died in the ambulance and he took leave for about 2 weeks to cope, but he had to choose between supporting his family or losing his job. Why risk it when she was still breathing in his presence? And the family had nothing but kind things to say, simply because he was there and as attentive as he could be.



MicheleJM
by Phoenix on Mar. 4, 2013 at 1:08 PM



Quoting Anonymous:

Not only her she said there was no one that could do it! She wouldn't allow anyone that wanted to help actually help. What's sad is that the elderly woman's family is okay with the nurses decision! I would have been furious! Seriously if you had any heart you would of done it. It was a life or death situation and she didnt care about the woman. Selfish bi**h!

The patient had a DNR, apparently.


JanineDeer
by Janine on Mar. 4, 2013 at 1:08 PM

IF that woman had a DNR then no CPR was necessary.   my gosh she 87.  Sometimes you actually kill an old person doing cpr- you actually crack all their ribs..killing them!!! INternal bleeding and all.

jamiegraham
by Silver Member on Mar. 4, 2013 at 1:09 PM

It was her duty as a nurse to have done cpr on the lady.

Gabeys_Mommy
by Silver Member on Mar. 4, 2013 at 1:09 PM
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I'm not a nurse. However, I've worked in a group home and now in an Assisted living facility. Both places do not permit the staff to do CPR. According to them, there is too much room for error and too big of a liability. And doing CPR on someone who has a,DNR order could get you and the company in some trouble. I don't understand why this is such a big deal when the family was fully satisfied with her care. Her family is satisfied because they probably knew the policy & limitations.
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LizzieAnnesMom
by ☆Mrs.Winchester☆ on Mar. 4, 2013 at 1:09 PM
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Hmm. I was just told the opposite. That doing chest compressions while the person is still breathing and has a heart beat can disrupt the heart and cause it to stop, and breathing for them could disrupt air flow and cause them to stop breathing.

Quoting MicheleJM:


It depends on HOW she's breathing.  I just took CPR.  Gasping, irregular breathing, no breathing...you now do chest compressions.  You don't have to breathe for the patient they say the compressions are the most important.  They don't really want you wasting a lot of time checking for a pulse...go to compressions.


Quoting LizzieAnnesMom:

What would be the point of cpr if she was still breathing. You only do compressions if there is no heartbeat, and mouth to mouth if they arent breahing.



Quoting fkh8ah:

Why should the nurse have criminal charges brought against her? She was following policy.


What if that was her only source of income and she had babies at home to feed and put shelter over? Ya it is sad that someone died...but if it comes down to my children or a stranger, i sound like a bitch, but i choose my children first.





Not to mention, she was still breathing when the EMT's arrived...alot of places have a policy about performing cpr if they are still breathing, since you can do more harm than good.







Quoting KeriAZ:

As a medical provider by law they have a duty to act within their scope of practice if they are on duty. Off duty its a moral thing. I read this and was sooooo pissed off. Why does the SNF have nurses if they are not allowed to do their job?! I hope they are sued out of business and criminal charges brought against the nurse and SNF. Shame on them.





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LyTe684
by Emerald Member on Mar. 4, 2013 at 1:10 PM


Shocking 911 call: Nurse refuses to do CPR

NEED TO KNOW
  • 87-year-old woman collapsed in senior living home
  • Facility: Policy is that staff does not do CPR
embed

A 911 operator desperately tried to get a nurse to do CPR on a woman who was dying, but the nurse said no:

911: We need to get CPR started that's not enough, ok?

Glenwood Gardens: Yeah, we can't do CPR at this facility. 

911: Hand the phone to the passerby. If you can't do it. I need... hand it to the passerby. I'll have her do it.  Or, if you've got any citizens there... I'll have them do it.

Glenwood Gardens:  No.. no it's not...

911: Anybody there can do CPR. Give them the phone please.  This woman is not breathing enough. She's going to die if we don't get this started. Do you understand?

Glenwood Gardens: I understand. I am a nurse. But, I can not have our other senior citizens who don't know CPR...

911: I will instruct them. Is there anyone…

Glenwood Gardens:  I cannot do that.

911: I don't understand why you're not willing to help this patient.

87-year-old Lorraine Bayless collapsed Tuesday in the dining room of her senior living home in California, and later died at the hospital. 

The independent senior living facility said it is company policy that staff does not attempt CPR, and its residents know that.

Bayless' daughter, who is a nurse herself, tells HLN affiliate KGET that she is satisfied with the care her mother received at Glenwood Gardens.

The facility is doing an internal review.

LyTe684
by Emerald Member on Mar. 4, 2013 at 1:10 PM

That says it all. I guess accepting the terms and moving there is like signing a DNR. They knew what they were getting into.

Quoting LyTe684:


Shocking 911 call: Nurse refuses to do CPR

NEED TO KNOW
  • 87-year-old woman collapsed in senior living home
  • Facility: Policy is that staff does not do CPR
embed

A 911 operator desperately tried to get a nurse to do CPR on a woman who was dying, but the nurse said no:

911: We need to get CPR started that's not enough, ok?

Glenwood Gardens: Yeah, we can't do CPR at this facility. 

911: Hand the phone to the passerby. If you can't do it. I need... hand it to the passerby. I'll have her do it.  Or, if you've got any citizens there... I'll have them do it.

Glenwood Gardens:  No.. no it's not...

911: Anybody there can do CPR. Give them the phone please.  This woman is not breathing enough. She's going to die if we don't get this started. Do you understand?

Glenwood Gardens: I understand. I am a nurse. But, I can not have our other senior citizens who don't know CPR...

911: I will instruct them. Is there anyone…

Glenwood Gardens:  I cannot do that.

911: I don't understand why you're not willing to help this patient.

87-year-old Lorraine Bayless collapsed Tuesday in the dining room of her senior living home in California, and later died at the hospital. 

The independent senior living facility said it is company policy that staff does not attempt CPR, and its residents know that.

Bayless' daughter, who is a nurse herself, tells HLN affiliate KGET that she is satisfied with the care her mother received at Glenwood Gardens.

The facility is doing an internal review.


Anonymous
by Anonymous 2 on Mar. 4, 2013 at 1:11 PM
They are ok with it because she had a DNR. Nothing bad or anything news worthy has happened.


Quoting Anonymous:

Not only her she said there was no one that could do it! She wouldn't allow anyone that wanted to help actually help. What's sad is that the elderly woman's family is okay with the nurses decision! I would have been furious! Seriously if you had any heart you would of done it. It was a life or death situation and she didnt care about the woman. Selfish bi**h!

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