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Senior dies, nurse refused to do CPR

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There is no legal requirment for the nurse to have done CPR on this woman. Do you agree or disagree with the way this nurse handled this?

http://www.hlntv.com/video/2013/03/04/nurse-refuses-cpr-911-call


by on Mar. 4, 2013 at 12:44 PM
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fkh8ah
by Felicia on Mar. 4, 2013 at 1:12 PM
Like others have said she had a DNR in place and even at his job policy strictly stated not to intervene if he/she was still breathing(not those exact words,but thats what it translates to).Not sure what the policy is at that nursing home, but it sounds abouy the same unfortunately.


Quoting MicheleJM:

The kind of breathing the victim is doing is important.  If the victim is gasping the correct procedure now is to go to compressions.



Quoting Anonymous:

My DH was a security supervisor at a big casino and while on the clock a lady started having a heart atack and according to policy if they are still breathing he couldnt perform CPR, so he just had to choose to sit there with her, holding her hand while they waited for thr EMTs to make their way through, unfortunately she died in the ambulance and he took leave for about 2 weeks to cope, but he had to choose between supporting his family or losing his job. Why risk it when she was still breathing in his presence? And the family had nothing but kind things to say, simply because he was there and as attentive as he could be.





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kryptomom
by Gold Member on Mar. 4, 2013 at 1:12 PM

Agree.  It was all agreed to when the woman was "admitted" and the family is ok with it. 

Anonymous
by Anonymous on Mar. 4, 2013 at 1:12 PM
She pretty much watched the elderly woman die. How in the hell can a person do that?!


Quoting Anonymous:

They are ok with it because she had a DNR. Nothing bad or anything news worthy has happened.




Quoting Anonymous:

Not only her she said there was no one that could do it! She wouldn't allow anyone that wanted to help actually help. What's sad is that the elderly woman's family is okay with the nurses decision! I would have been furious! Seriously if you had any heart you would of done it. It was a life or death situation and she didnt care about the woman. Selfish bi**h!


LyTe684
by Ruby Member on Mar. 4, 2013 at 1:12 PM

Exactly. The woman's daugher isn't even upset, so why is the news? It's their policy.

Quoting Anonymous:

They are ok with it because she had a DNR. Nothing bad or anything news worthy has happened.


Quoting Anonymous:

Not only her she said there was no one that could do it! She wouldn't allow anyone that wanted to help actually help. What's sad is that the elderly woman's family is okay with the nurses decision! I would have been furious! Seriously if you had any heart you would of done it. It was a life or death situation and she didnt care about the woman. Selfish bi**h!


Anonymous
by Anonymous on Mar. 4, 2013 at 1:14 PM
SHE HAD A DNR. ARE YOU SERIOUSLY CLUELESS?

It's worse to bring someone back who wants to go, smdh. Have some respect for people's choices.


Quoting Anonymous:

She pretty much watched the elderly woman die. How in the hell can a person do that?!




Quoting Anonymous:

They are ok with it because she had a DNR. Nothing bad or anything news worthy has happened.






Quoting Anonymous:

Not only her she said there was no one that could do it! She wouldn't allow anyone that wanted to help actually help. What's sad is that the elderly woman's family is okay with the nurses decision! I would have been furious! Seriously if you had any heart you would of done it. It was a life or death situation and she didnt care about the woman. Selfish bi**h!



LizzieAnnesMom
by ☆Mrs.Winchester☆ on Mar. 4, 2013 at 1:14 PM
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You mean how the hell can they respect a residents wishes? Do you think it should be legal for a doctor/nurse to go against a patients wishes?

Quoting Anonymous:

She pretty much watched the elderly woman die. How in the hell can a person do that?!




Quoting Anonymous:

They are ok with it because she had a DNR. Nothing bad or anything news worthy has happened.






Quoting Anonymous:

Not only her she said there was no one that could do it! She wouldn't allow anyone that wanted to help actually help. What's sad is that the elderly woman's family is okay with the nurses decision! I would have been furious! Seriously if you had any heart you would of done it. It was a life or death situation and she didnt care about the woman. Selfish bi**h!


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ColtsFan1912
by FriendoftheFoot on Mar. 4, 2013 at 1:14 PM

IF a person signs a DNR that IS what you do. I've had to do it. There would be HELL to pay if you go against their DNR. A lot of older people sign the DNR themselves & do NOT want to be saved in a situation like that.

Quoting Anonymous:

She pretty much watched the elderly woman die. How in the hell can a person do that?!


Quoting Anonymous:

They are ok with it because she had a DNR. Nothing bad or anything news worthy has happened.




Quoting Anonymous:

Not only her she said there was no one that could do it! She wouldn't allow anyone that wanted to help actually help. What's sad is that the elderly woman's family is okay with the nurses decision! I would have been furious! Seriously if you had any heart you would of done it. It was a life or death situation and she didnt care about the woman. Selfish bi**h!



MicheleJM
by Ruby Member on Mar. 4, 2013 at 1:14 PM


It depends on the type of breathing though.  Idk this is what the American Heart Association says.  Regular breathing, no CPR.  Gasping, long pauses between breaths, irregular breaths, go to compressions.  Most of the time you're covered under the Samitarian act either way but if the patient is gasping, with no pulse it would make sense to me--and I'm no doctor--to do compressions.

Quoting LizzieAnnesMom:

Hmm. I was just told the opposite. That doing chest compressions while the person is still breathing and has a heart beat can disrupt the heart and cause it to stop, and breathing for them could disrupt air flow and cause them to stop breathing.

Quoting MicheleJM:


It depends on HOW she's breathing.  I just took CPR.  Gasping, irregular breathing, no breathing...you now do chest compressions.  You don't have to breathe for the patient they say the compressions are the most important.  They don't really want you wasting a lot of time checking for a pulse...go to compressions.


Quoting LizzieAnnesMom:

What would be the point of cpr if she was still breathing. You only do compressions if there is no heartbeat, and mouth to mouth if they arent breahing.



Quoting fkh8ah:

Why should the nurse have criminal charges brought against her? She was following policy.


What if that was her only source of income and she had babies at home to feed and put shelter over? Ya it is sad that someone died...but if it comes down to my children or a stranger, i sound like a bitch, but i choose my children first.





Not to mention, she was still breathing when the EMT's arrived...alot of places have a policy about performing cpr if they are still breathing, since you can do more harm than good.







Quoting KeriAZ:

As a medical provider by law they have a duty to act within their scope of practice if they are on duty. Off duty its a moral thing. I read this and was sooooo pissed off. Why does the SNF have nurses if they are not allowed to do their job?! I hope they are sued out of business and criminal charges brought against the nurse and SNF. Shame on them.







IUND
by on Mar. 4, 2013 at 1:15 PM

 There is a lot of info missing from the story that I would need to see,  If the resident had a DNR, the facility must abide by that.  Was the employee actually a nurse?  I saw reports that this is an independent living facility.  That is different from a nursing home.  It does not provide healthcare and the resident is informed of that before signing a lease.  Also, who actually called 911?

momof2boy2girl
by Valerie on Mar. 4, 2013 at 1:16 PM
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Quoting LizzieAnnesMom:

She had a dnr.

People seem to not understand what that means. The woman would have lost her job and opened herself and the company up for a lawsuit if she had attempted CPR.

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