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Gay Couple Suing Christian Pre-School

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so I found out that this gay couple is suing a christian preschool for not accepting their son into the school. And sad thing is I think they are going to win. Heres the article. Tell me what you think in the comments.


Homosexual Couple Sues Christian Preschool for Rejecting Son as Student

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Homosexual Couple Sues Christian Preschool for Rejecting Son as Student

A homosexual couple has sued a Christian preschool in New Mexico after the school had accepted the three-year-old boy the two men are raising as their son, only to reject the child later. In their complaint the two men, Joseph Romero and John Keelin, allege that officials at Hope Christian School in Albuquerque first accepted their three-year-old son, then sent them a denial letter when the school realized the boy's parents were homosexual.

In the lawsuit, the two men claim that they “were even told that a new student packet has been prepared for him and that the school was expecting to get acceptance letters out the following week.” But shortly after that notification, the two “received a denial letter on April 16, 2010,” the complaint continues. “Upon further inquiry, the school sent a letter dated June 13, 2012 to plaintiffs' attorney. The letter indicated that the school denied admission to plaintiffs' son because plaintiffs were a same gender couple and that, as a result, their home was inconsistent with the school's beliefs.”

The letter from the school informed the homosexual men that “same gender couples are inconsistent with scriptural lifestyle and biblical teachings,” citing Romans 1:26-27 and 1 Corinthians 6:9. The letter pointed out that their home life “doesn’t reflect the school’s belief of what a Biblical family lifestyle is.” The letter also explained that because the two parties were not in agreement on the issue of homosexuality, the educational relationship would be next to impossible, and cited the scripture Amos 3:3, “How can two walk together unless they be agreed?”

On its website, Hope Christian School explains that admission “is open to students of any race, color, or ethnic origin who are looking for a Christian environment with an emphasis on teaching Biblical principles and truths along with strong academics.”

Romero and Keelin filed suit under the state's Human Rights Act, an increasingly common tactic for homosexuals who have been rebuffed by private businesses and organizations that oppose same-sex partnerships on moral and religious grounds. According to Courthouse News Service, the two men are suing the school for “equitable relief, including their son's acceptance into the school, and compensatory and punitive damages.”

While the state's human rights measure allows churches and other religious institutions to discriminate based on their convictions, private schools such as Hope are non-profits that provide “public accommodation” and thus give up their rights to make such distinctions. Additionally, according to the Albuquerque Journal, Hope Christian School received $61,455 in government funding for the 2012 budget year. Peter Simonson, executive director of the American Civil Liberties Union of New Mexico, argued that the funding violates the First Amendment's supposed establishment clause. “We don’t think organizations that use religion to discriminate should receive any government money,” he said.

Earlier this year a lesbian couple was successful in their civil rights complaint against a New Mexico photography studio that refused to photograph the couple's same-sex commitment ceremony. For that refusal, Elaine and John Huguenin, owners of Elaine’s Photography, were fined nearly $7,000 by the New Mexico Civil Rights Commission. New Mexico's Human Rights Act forbids “any person in any public accommodation to make a distinction, directly or indirectly, in offering or refusing to offer its services … to any person because of race, religion, color, national origin, ancestry, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity, spousal affiliation, or physical or mental handicap.”

In a similar case, last month a human rights commission in Lexington, Kentucky, ruled against a local t-shirt company after its owner refused to produce shirts promoting a local homosexual “pride” event. As reported by The New American magazine, in March Lexington’s Gay and Lesbian Services Organization (GLSO) filed a discrimination complaint against the family-owned company, Hands On Originals, alleging that the firm had bid on producing the shirts, but when it was selected its owners changed their minds, explaining that their Christian values made them unable to fill the order for the gay-themed apparel.

Blaine Adamson, owner of Hands On Originals, explained that he was not immediately aware that he was bidding on a job that violated his values. When that truth came to light, he graciously told the group that he could not produce the shirts, but offered to find another company who would do the job at the price he had quoted.

That concession as not enough, and the group filed a complaint, claiming its civil rights had been violated. In November, the Lexington Human Rights Commission sided with the GLSO, finding that the the shirt company had “violated the city's fairness ordinance, part of which prohibits businesses open to the public from discriminating against people based on sexual orientation,” reported the Lexington Herald-Leader. “The commission also noted the company should stop 'discriminating because of sexual orientation.'”

As for such supposed discrimination, in the hearing Hands On Originals noted that it employs homosexuals and “has filled past orders for customers who it knew identified as homosexual.”

Owner Blaine Adamson said that “I want the truth to come out. It’s not that we have a sign on the front door that says, ‘No Gays Allowed.' We’ll work with anybody. But if there’s a specific message that conflicts with my convictions, then I can’t promote that.”



EDIT:okay, there is a misrepresentation of what a Christian is and what they are not. I can profess to be a muslim, jew, pagan, buddhist monk etc...doesnt mean I am....

heres a good definition of what a Christian is..

At this point, we need to back to examine the question from a more fundamental perspective. The question we need to ask first is "Who is a Christian?" Many young people believe they are Christians because their parents are Christians or they aren't Jewish, so they must be Christians.

Aren't you a Christian if you go to church and at some point went up front in response to an alter call? Jesus said that people are Christians if they believe in Him.1 Jesus also indicated that those who believed would hear His voice and follow Him.2 Part of the process of following Jesus is to repent. Repentance is a fancy Christian word that means to turn from one's sins and go in the opposite direction (righteousness). Jesus said that those who do not repent will perish.3 Jesus also indicated what kind of commitment one should make to be considered His disciple:

Then He [Jesus] said to them all: "If anyone would come after Me, he must deny himself and take up his cross daily and follow Me. For whoever wants to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for Me will save it. What good is it for a man to gain the whole world, and yet lose or forfeit his very self?" (Luke 9:23-25)

So, Jesus made it quite clear that a casual confession of "faith" isn't going to cut it. One who really believes in Jesus will follow Him as their ultimate purpose in life. Now that we have a clear understanding of who is a Christian, we can go back to the original question.

by on Mar. 17, 2013 at 2:45 PM
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sha_lyn68
by Platinum Member on Mar. 26, 2013 at 11:11 PM


Quoting hwyangel:

Quoting sha_lyn68:




I personally believe in diversity. I see no love or tolerance in forcing anyone to conform to your values. I have been seeing a lot of this lately with anything Christian being defunded. Not limited to schools.Christian adoption agencies, orphanages, pro life clinics, or just about anything that challengs the new "free love and self expression" secular movement.

What "defunding" are you speaking about? Christian organizations shouldn't be receiving public funds to begin with. If you are speaking about private funds, well that is up to the business owners or private citizens who were offering the funding to begin with. Now there is much more variety in organizations that one can donate time, money or items to. One no longer is limited to what is just available to them, but now many can find an organization that fits the religious, political or ethical beliefs. IE As a non-Christian I no longer donate food to the local Christian food bank because there is now a local alternative that is not through a Christian organization. 

hwyangel
by on Mar. 27, 2013 at 12:49 PM
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While many secular groups would have you believe they are beacons of diversity and tolerance, when it comes to anything “Christian,” there seems to be a double standard. I have no problem with Muslim associations, atheist groups, Democratic clubs, LGBT groups, etc. having a presence in public and who do receive government funding. What I do have a problem with is Christian groups being targeted, harassed, and shut down because of their beliefs.
da808gypsy
by Silver Member on Apr. 1, 2013 at 5:31 PM
Religion is suppose to be separate from the state. the federal government and state are not the same.


Quoting sha_lyn68:


Quoting da808gypsy:

I think its kind of a fucked up thing to do. I'm not religious nor am I against gay couples but its not fair to force someone to go against their beliefs. Its a CHRISTIAN school c'mon now, they knew what they were getting into. 

It's a "christian school" that receives federal funding. IF they are going to stand behind "separation of church and state" by denying enrollment to someone based on the parents lifestyle, then they need to separate the school from federal funding.


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sha_lyn68
by Platinum Member on Apr. 1, 2013 at 6:14 PM

Never heard of the first amendment to the US Constitution I see.

Also, when Thomas Jefferson  refered to"separation of Church and state" State= Civil Government. You do know that state has more than one meaning don't you?

Quoting da808gypsy:

Religion is suppose to be separate from the state. the federal government and state are not the same.


Quoting sha_lyn68:


Quoting da808gypsy:

I think its kind of a fucked up thing to do. I'm not religious nor am I against gay couples but its not fair to force someone to go against their beliefs. Its a CHRISTIAN school c'mon now, they knew what they were getting into. 

It's a "christian school" that receives federal funding. IF they are going to stand behind "separation of church and state" by denying enrollment to someone based on the parents lifestyle, then they need to separate the school from federal funding.



amberbamber0213
by on Apr. 1, 2013 at 6:19 PM

way to go

hwyangel
by on Apr. 10, 2013 at 3:45 AM
Here are a few just for example:

Boy Scouts
Stanton Pro life Clinics
Alcoholics victorious
Christian's businesses mans committee
Dave Dravekeys outreach of hope
Faithful friends home nursing
Living dreams physical therapy
Hanna's Prayer
JAF ministries



Quoting sha_lyn68:


Quoting hwyangel:

Quoting sha_lyn68:






I personally believe in diversity. I see no love or tolerance in forcing anyone to conform to your values. I have been seeing a lot of this lately with anything Christian being defunded. Not limited to schools.Christian adoption agencies, orphanages, pro life clinics, or just about anything that challengs the new "free love and self expression" secular movement.

What "defunding" are you speaking about? Christian organizations shouldn't be receiving public funds to begin with. If you are speaking about private funds, well that is up to the business owners or private citizens who were offering the funding to begin with. Now there is much more variety in organizations that one can donate time, money or items to. One no longer is limited to what is just available to them, but now many can find an organization that fits the religious, political or ethical beliefs. IE As a non-Christian I no longer donate food to the local Christian food bank because there is now a local alternative that is not through a Christian organization. 


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Anonymous
by Anonymous on Apr. 10, 2013 at 3:49 AM

Well said.


Quoting RoseBlossom:


Gay people can claim to be Christian but in a weird sense of what a Christian is, and thats to be Christ like and to follow his teachings. Their lifestyle would conflict with the Christian school because they teach the Bible. Even Jesus defined marriage as between a man and a woman in Matthew 19 " And He answered and said to them, “Have you not read that He who made them at the beginning ‘made them male and female,’ and said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’? So then, they are no longer two but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate.”

Quoting Anonymous:

I hope they win. Why shouldn't a gay couples child go to a christian school? Why can't gay people be christian? 





hwyangel
by on Apr. 10, 2013 at 3:56 AM
At the Loveland Museum in Colorado, outrageous anti-Christian artwork is being displayed that was paid for at taxpayer’s expense. Created by a Stanford University professor, is a portrait of Jesus in an illicit homosexual act. And that is OK?

Or this?

http://defendchristians.org/commentary/this-isnt-in-our-imaginations/


Quoting hwyangel:

Here are a few just for example:



Boy Scouts

Stanton Pro life Clinics

Alcoholics victorious

Christian's businesses mans committee

Dave Dravekeys outreach of hope

Faithful friends home nursing

Living dreams physical therapy

Hanna's Prayer

JAF ministries






Quoting sha_lyn68:


Quoting hwyangel:

Quoting sha_lyn68:








I personally believe in diversity. I see no love or tolerance in forcing anyone to conform to your values. I have been seeing a lot of this lately with anything Christian being defunded. Not limited to schools.Christian adoption agencies, orphanages, pro life clinics, or just about anything that challengs the new "free love and self expression" secular movement.

What "defunding" are you speaking about? Christian organizations shouldn't be receiving public funds to begin with. If you are speaking about private funds, well that is up to the business owners or private citizens who were offering the funding to begin with. Now there is much more variety in organizations that one can donate time, money or items to. One no longer is limited to what is just available to them, but now many can find an organization that fits the religious, political or ethical beliefs. IE As a non-Christian I no longer donate food to the local Christian food bank because there is now a local alternative that is not through a Christian organization. 



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Lorik1969
by on Apr. 10, 2013 at 3:56 AM
While I don't agree with it, the church has the right to practice their beliefs. What happens if they are talking about families in class and the boy says i have 2 daddy's and the teacher says that's wrong according to God? Do they get to sue for that too? Why would you want to send your child to a school that will obviously teach against your lifestyle and thinks you're an abomination? I would think you would want your child educated in a more progressive environment.


Quoting Anonymous:

I hope they win. Why shouldn't a gay couples child go to a christian school? Why can't gay people be christian? 


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sha_lyn68
by Platinum Member on Apr. 11, 2013 at 1:08 AM

Did you not understand my question? I didn't ask you for names or organizations. I asked you whether you were talking about public or private funding. I can make up a list of names too. Where is your answer to my question and your facts to back up your answer.

Quoting hwyangel:

Here are a few just for example:

Boy Scouts
Stanton Pro life Clinics
Alcoholics victorious
Christian's businesses mans committee
Dave Dravekeys outreach of hope
Faithful friends home nursing
Living dreams physical therapy
Hanna's Prayer
JAF ministries



Quoting sha_lyn68:


Quoting hwyangel:

Quoting sha_lyn68:






I personally believe in diversity. I see no love or tolerance in forcing anyone to conform to your values. I have been seeing a lot of this lately with anything Christian being defunded. Not limited to schools.Christian adoption agencies, orphanages, pro life clinics, or just about anything that challengs the new "free love and self expression" secular movement.

What "defunding" are you speaking about? Christian organizations shouldn't be receiving public funds to begin with. If you are speaking about private funds, well that is up to the business owners or private citizens who were offering the funding to begin with. Now there is much more variety in organizations that one can donate time, money or items to. One no longer is limited to what is just available to them, but now many can find an organization that fits the religious, political or ethical beliefs. IE As a non-Christian I no longer donate food to the local Christian food bank because there is now a local alternative that is not through a Christian organization. 



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