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About the Steubenville rape

Posted by Anonymous   + Show Post

Rape is not a finger f__k. 

The victim says she may have been drugged.  Is there any evidence to support this?

It's a good bet that if you get sh_t faced enough at a party and you pass out, some idiot may take advantage of you. 

Act like a drunken whore and get treated as such.  Simple. 

Posted by Anonymous on Mar. 17, 2013 at 5:18 PM
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deepthinker
by on Mar. 18, 2013 at 11:12 AM



Quoting NotAMuggle:

you wouldn't be saing this if it were your daughter

the boys deserve everything that's coming to them, plus some, but it's whatever. their lives are ruined, that's good enough for me


Quoting deepthinker:



Quoting AnastasiaKorsh:

Being awake =/= that she was not heavy intoxicated. Just someone said she "looked" awake doesn't mean she wasn't past her point of black out drunk.

Lets see. How do we know they were just as drunk? Because they bragged about it to their friends? Because they texted about it? Because you can clearly see that they were not that drunk in their videos? Clearly they rememeber what they did. Not only that, they were proud of it. They flaunted it.

But now that you mention it, I suppose they committed a third crime as well. Who ever was driving was also drinking and should be charged for driving drunk. Just like the people who filmed it should be charged with making child porn.

Quoting deepthinker:



Quoting AnastasiaKorsh:

You're not thinking with logic.

First off the boys were not drunk enough to NOT know what they were doing. The girl was very much to the point of black out drunk. Not only that but there were also several other boys there that knew exactly what was happening, even if they were drinking. Just because you have alcohol in your system it does not absolve you of your crime. She, not matter how much she drank, did not ask to be raped. They are responsible for their actions. She did not force them to rape her. She did not ask to be raped.

When someone is driving drunk and hit/kills a person. They commit two crimes. The first is driving drunk, the other is hitting someone. However, they are not charged with murder. Sometimes they are not even charged with manslaughter. The only crime the girl committed, and which all of them are guilty of is drinking under age. The boys however, committed two crimes, and whether they were drinking or not, just like a drunk driver, THEY are responsible for what they did to her.

Quoting deepthinker:



Quoting Anonymous:

What  were her actions, besides being knocked the fk out? Idiot.

Quoting

Like I said in the other post concerning this topic, if you drive drunk and kill someone... you're are held responsible.  If you kill someone while you are drunk, you are held responsible,  If a man has sex with a woman while he is drunk, he is still held responsible.  Then a woman should be held responsible for her actions, while she is drunk.  If all of these teens were drunk together,  then ALL, including her should be held responsible for their actions.  I know you are thinking with emotion, and the name calling it shows it.  I'm not anonymous, I'm not yelling or name calling, and I have also been a victim of sexual assault.  I just believe every situation is different, and should be treated as such. now you can continue to name call, and all that, but I've said what I wanted to and I'm done.



Read my other post, but I'm sure you won't comprehend what I'm saying, because you are another person thinking with emotion.


She was awake, the witnesses tesitified IN COURT, she walked to the car inbetween parties.  And how do you know they weren't as drunk, someone else was driving, and they boys were drunk also.  They could have been just as drunk.  




So, because someone remembers something the next day, it doesn't mean they were drunk the night before.  Everyone can get drunk and have different memories of the events the night before, it doesn't mean one person was less drunk then another.  The video circulating was not even of the boys accused, but others who were suppose to be there.  And those boys said she was screwed anally, vaginally, peed on, and she was dead.  None of which was true, so how does that account for evidence of fingering someone.  As I said before, I think this case was tried in the media, and the boys ar ebeing used as an example, but I do not think they should have been charged with rape.  




Think again, I was sexually assaulted in my youth for two years straight.  I was raped as a teen also...  I just believe different situations, call for different understanding.  I believe too many people hear the word rape, and it becomes an emotional subject, and people immediately feel anger and don't take time to really look at everything.  We absolve women for their responsibility, but immediately see the big bad men in a situation like this.  Being drunk doesn't mean you shouldn't be held responsible for your actions. NO ONE has a right to force someone to have sex, but I don't think this was a case of force, but regret.  I don't expect anyone to agree with me, because as I said, it's a touchy subject.  I just think people are thinking with emotion, and not logically.


spooky415
by Ruby Member on Mar. 18, 2013 at 11:12 AM
I do think people need to take responsibility for their actions. As a teen, I knew there were shady people out there. So if I was at a party with people I didn't know or trust entirely, I didn't get wasted. I didn't want to put myself in that position.

However, just bc someone makes a bad decision doesn't mean they deserve to be raped.
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Anonymous
by Anonymous on Mar. 18, 2013 at 11:12 AM
To respond to the first poster--the girls ex bf mom ( the ex bf has admitted to trying to set her up) is one of the main prosecutors for the da! And one of the parties was at her house!! To some of the others saying she was awake--she was thrown in the trunk of a car to be transported to at least one of the parties andthen urinated on by at least three different people!! That is why the actual government stepped in and created their own team to investigate everything. They have also linked at least one other 15 yr old girl to being raped by the "rape crew" last year--

There is no and I repeat no excuse for them to say well she is drunk so that gives us the right to rape her "dry as wood" as one of the guys so nicely put it!!

Quoting deepthinker:




Quoting justone_jen:

"Honestly though, if they are ALL drunk, Why is that they KNEW what they were doing, but she DIDN'T KNOW what she was doing? Seriously what's the difference?"



The difference would be that she was unconscious.



Lol, so, you think because she doesn't remember saying no, she may have agreed to being carried from party to party, unconscious, and used like a blow up doll?



That's brilliant.





Quoting deepthinker:





Quoting macbudsmom:

Your examples are someone is drunk & they do something illegal and are held accountable.

Other than drinking underage (which the rapists were doing as well) what did she do illegally that she should be held accountable for?




Quoting deepthinker:





Quoting macbudsmom:

You are so deep logic flies over your head.





Quoting deepthinker:





Quoting macbudsmom:

She was unconcious or nearly unconcious.  They were not.  There is a difference.

She was raped.  They were the rapists. There is a difference.

Obviously you aren't too deep of a thinker, if you can't even see these simple matters of fact.




Quoting deepthinker:




Quoting Anonymous:

 Exactly.  The girl was gang raped, and held against her will without her consent.  Pictures do not lie.  Human beings with cell phones, taking photographs, texting step by step accounts of the rape do not lie. If I were the district attorney, I would of tried each and every male at the party as an adult. Why wasn't the audience (the males not partaking in the atttack held accountable?).  If you have a cell phone, you see a crime ocurring, you call 9-1-1-.   I do not believe treating the two charged, and convicted as juvilnelles...when one decides to "DO" an adult crime, and they KNEW what they were doing was very wrong, did it anyways, do adult time.  Instead of putting them in juvy jail, cut their penis(s) and balls off, they wont be doing anything with their junk anymore but hiding it and talkin' in a high pitch voice for the rest of their lives. 






Quoting lancet98:






Why did they say they did it and apologize for doing it?   The persuasive powers of the Stubbenville police?



Quoting deepthinker:



I think a finger inserted IS sexual assault, but I honestly don't think these boys are guilty of sexual assault.  The accusation came from a video of some other drunken teens, that claimed she was raped vaginally, anal, peed on, and passed around from person to person, house to house.  The girl said she had no KNOWLEDGE of an attack, and only found out because of the video of the drunk boys (not involved), who were talking about it.  I believe the lawyers changed the accusation to "digital penetration", because the other stuff would have been easy to prove, and finger f*cking can't be proved.  I think these boys were persecuted in the media and not in a court of law, and they were used as an example.  I don't think they did it.



BUT... even if they did. It bothers me when someone says a woman can't consent to sex if she is drunk, yet all the teens were drunk.  So if she didn't know what she was doing because she had been drinking, and is not held accountable, why are the boys held accountable and they too were drinking.



This case really bothers me, and I don't think justice was done with a guilty verdict here.




















Honestly though, if they are ALL drunk, Why is that they KNEW what they were doing, but she DIDN'T KNOW what she was doing? Seriously what's the difference?








Her lawyers said she was unconscious, but before the pictures were taken often the internet, you could see her very much awake.  Drunk yes, unconscious, no.


And your little dig at my screen name means nothing to me... like I said, emotion is at play here, not logic.








Like I said in the other post concerning this topic, if you drive drunk and kill someone... you're are held responsible.  If you kill someone while you are drunk, you are held responsible,  If a man has sex with a woman while he is drunk, he is still held responsible.  Then a woman should be held responsible for her actions, while she is drunk.  If all of these teens were drunk together,  then ALL, including her should be held responsible for their actions.  I know you are thinking with emotion, and the name calling it shows it.  I'm not anonymous, I'm not yelling or name calling, and I have also been a victim of sexual assault.  I just believe every situation is different, and should be treated as such. now you can continue to name call, and all that, but I've said what I wanted to and I'm done.





She admitted that she had no knowledge of the events the night before, how do you know she didn't say "yeah let's do it". She could have very well gave permission, but with her being drunk no one thinks she's capable, but they think the boys are capable of making wise decisions while they are drunk.  I'm not saying she should be punished, what I am saying is that none of them should have been punished for having sex in a situation where EVERYONE was drunk.




Three different witnesses said she walked to the car with the boys going from party to party, she was stumbling but walking.



mickstinator
by on Mar. 18, 2013 at 11:15 AM
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If I leave my door unlocked at night, do I deserve to get robbed?

Lacking prudence is not the same as consent. I find it disgusting that anyone would think an aggressor's lack of self control is the victim's fault. 

Judesmom333
by Silver Member on Mar. 18, 2013 at 11:19 AM
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As women , we need to be away of our surroundings and not put ourselves in a position to be taken advantage of. In this case the situation could have been avoided!
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jessesbride
by Bronze Member on Mar. 18, 2013 at 11:20 AM
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Rape is not consentual.  Whether to drunk or too young, etc.  They had it ON CAMERA/video!!!  Rape is: 

Definition of RAPE

1
: an act or instance of robbing or despoiling or carrying away a person by force
2
: unlawful sexual activity and usually sexual intercourse carried out forcibly or under threat of injury against the will usually of a female or with a person who is beneath a certain age or incapable of valid consent — compare sexual assaultstatutory rape
3
: an outrageous violation

I don't give a rat's rear hiney if a woman walks down the street bare *ss naked... NO ONE has the RIGHT to violate her IN ANY WAY!!!!  She was TOO DRUNK to give consent. Said idiot should be punished for "taking advantage" of her.  Wrong is WRONG ~ PERIOD!  NO EXCUSES!!!!!
Anonymous
by Anonymous on Mar. 18, 2013 at 11:21 AM
She should not have been drinking at her age!! Simple
AnastasiaKorsh
by on Mar. 18, 2013 at 11:22 AM

It means they weren't as drunk. It means that they more than likely were aware of the choices they were making, especially since they were bragging about said choices.

I suppose in the end it doesn't matter what you think. And if you think it makes examples of of them, good. Maybe more "men" will think twice before taking advantage of someone who is clearly under the infulence. It really is that simple. What they did was wrong. Have you seen the pictures of guys man handling her? A friend and classmate both tesitfied to seeing them sexually assualt this girl, one in the car, the other in the basement. Two of their teammates testify to that girl being drunk enough that she wasn't aware. A girl who was hours earlier visibly sick, and vomiting from drinking too much. If Mays didn't think he did anything wrong, why would he send text messages the next day asking if she was going to go to the police?

Again, the bottom line being that even though both were drunk, she did not give consent. She did not give consent. She couldn't have given consent because she was drunk anyway. But they sexually assaulted her anyway. They, be drunk or sober, are responsible for THEIR actions of putting their hands on a woman who was unable to consent.

Quoting deepthinker:



Quoting AnastasiaKorsh:

Being awake =/= that she was not heavy intoxicated. Just someone said she "looked" awake doesn't mean she wasn't past her point of black out drunk.

Lets see. How do we know they were just as drunk? Because they bragged about it to their friends? Because they texted about it? Because you can clearly see that they were not that drunk in their videos? Clearly they rememeber what they did. Not only that, they were proud of it. They flaunted it.

But now that you mention it, I suppose they committed a third crime as well. Who ever was driving was also drinking and should be charged for driving drunk. Just like the people who filmed it should be charged with making child porn.

Quoting deepthinker:



Quoting AnastasiaKorsh:

You're not thinking with logic.

First off the boys were not drunk enough to NOT know what they were doing. The girl was very much to the point of black out drunk. Not only that but there were also several other boys there that knew exactly what was happening, even if they were drinking. Just because you have alcohol in your system it does not absolve you of your crime. She, not matter how much she drank, did not ask to be raped. They are responsible for their actions. She did not force them to rape her. She did not ask to be raped.

When someone is driving drunk and hit/kills a person. They commit two crimes. The first is driving drunk, the other is hitting someone. However, they are not charged with murder. Sometimes they are not even charged with manslaughter. The only crime the girl committed, and which all of them are guilty of is drinking under age. The boys however, committed two crimes, and whether they were drinking or not, just like a drunk driver, THEY are responsible for what they did to her.

Quoting deepthinker:



Quoting Anonymous:

What  were her actions, besides being knocked the fk out? Idiot.

Quoting

Like I said in the other post concerning this topic, if you drive drunk and kill someone... you're are held responsible.  If you kill someone while you are drunk, you are held responsible,  If a man has sex with a woman while he is drunk, he is still held responsible.  Then a woman should be held responsible for her actions, while she is drunk.  If all of these teens were drunk together,  then ALL, including her should be held responsible for their actions.  I know you are thinking with emotion, and the name calling it shows it.  I'm not anonymous, I'm not yelling or name calling, and I have also been a victim of sexual assault.  I just believe every situation is different, and should be treated as such. now you can continue to name call, and all that, but I've said what I wanted to and I'm done.



Read my other post, but I'm sure you won't comprehend what I'm saying, because you are another person thinking with emotion.


She was awake, the witnesses tesitified IN COURT, she walked to the car inbetween parties.  And how do you know they weren't as drunk, someone else was driving, and they boys were drunk also.  They could have been just as drunk.  




So, because someone remembers something the next day, it doesn't mean they were drunk the night before.  Everyone can get drunk and have different memories of the events the night before, it doesn't mean one person was less drunk then another.  The video circulating was not even of the boys accused, but others who were suppose to be there.  And those boys said she was screwed anally, vaginally, peed on, and she was dead.  None of which was true, so how does that account for evidence of fingering someone.  As I said before, I think this case was tried in the media, and the boys ar ebeing used as an example, but I do not think they should have been charged with rape.  


Kaylawv2
by Gold Member on Mar. 18, 2013 at 11:24 AM
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I think we can all agree that this girl made a poor decision to drink that much at a party, but that doesnt excuse what these boys did to her. No one asks to be rape no matter how stupid they act. No one deserves to be raped. These boys dragged her around degraded her, used her as a personal sex toy. it is utterly disgusting. They may have been intoxicated as well but not to a level of unwareness since they were clearly conscious enough to parade her around from party to party.

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