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People who think that illegal immigrants don't pay taxes are idiots!- EDIT

Posted by Anonymous   + Show Post

Yes, illegal/unauthorized/undocumentedimmigrants generally pay taxes the same way you and I pay them, but usually without access to the benefits that come with being a taxpayer.

How they pay

Income Tax

Every time you receive a paycheck, you probably notice that something is missing. That’s because your employer automatically withholds federal, state, and local income taxes and Social Security and Medicare taxes. Immigrants also have money automatically deducted directly from their paychecks —even those who are here illegally. But how? Well, the Social Security Administration estimates that 75% of undocumented immigrants are actually on formal payrolls and are paid by check just like anyone else. They get on the payroll byusing fake or fraudulent social security numbers or social security numbers of the deceased, which are easily available from counterfeiters for a couple hundred dollars. A growing number of undocumented immigrants now file their income taxesusing Individual Taxpayer Identification Numbers (ITINs). ITINs are issued by the IRSfor filing purposes only and do not provide permission to work. According to the most recent estimates, at least 3 millionunauthorized immigrants filed income taxes using ITINs in 2009. (NOTE: the IRS does not report undocumented immigrants to the Department of Homeland Security.)

Sales Tax

Every time you buy something, you pay sales tax. That money goes to state and local governments. Staying at a hotel or renting a car, you pay state and local taxes. If you fill up your gas tank, you automatically pay state and federal gasoline taxes. If you buy liquor or cigarettes, you automatically pay various local, state, and federal excise taxes. Immigrants—legal and undocumented—all buy things, and thus pay these taxes as part of their purchase.

Property Tax

Local governments also collect property taxes, which are a percentage of the value of one’s home and fund services like schools, certain medical services, and police and fire stations. Immigrants—legal and unauthorized—pay these taxes directly if they own a home, or indirectly if they rent (clearly, landlords factor property taxes into rent).

Possible overpayment

Unauthorized immigrants pay into Social Security via automatic payroll deductions, but they can never claim Social Security benefits because they are here illegally and because their Social Security numbers are fake. In 2005, it was estimated that undocumented immigrants paid about $7 billion per year in Social Security taxes that they will never be able to reclaim.The Tax Policy Center estimates that 78 percent of American households that earned less than $33,000 owed no federal income taxes in 2011. Many low-income taxpayers only paid marginal amounts if they did owe. Because of their low income levels, most illegal immigrants would naturally fall into either of these categories. Many illegal immigrants don’t file, however, because they fear deportation. And if they don’t file, they are never refunded money that was automatically withheld from their paychecks. When a refund is owed but not paid out, that’s free money for the government.

Edit- I never once said that it was ok that they enter this country illegally, I do not believe they should be getting benifits for themselves but they do have american born children. I also think that once the going gets rough we blame the illegal immigrants, I know illegal immigration has always been and always will be a problem because this country is full of opportunities and freedom. When this country was booming before the war, you never saw the problem of laws being passed like the one in Arizona. I hate when people blame illegal immigration for our economy now, when illegal immigration has exsisted for so long and we did not have this problem. Blame the damn war for our economy. ( no disrespect to our American soldiers who put their lifes at risk for our freedom)

This post was made to let people know that SOME illegal immigrants do pay taxes, taxes which some never will see again.  

On another note, I do believe that many American's feel entitled I have seen it and heard it. A lot of American business owners do not just hire illegal immigrants because they accept low pay, it is also because they work hard for their money. My husband is a legal resident and came here legally, he is a concrete foreman, gets paid 25 an hour. The company he works for has people who are here illegally, they also get paid very well. These past few months they have had to let people go because of this same reason, and had to hire legal American people. Yet most of them want too much money when they do not know how to do the job, and when they have no experience yet they lie on their applications. My husband has been accused of being racist multiple times because he has fired many white men who do not want to work the long hours, or always make excuses for not going to work. I do not think this is fair either, but again this is just my opinion which I am very much entitled to have. BTW, I am not saying this is how ALL people are but some yes.

And again I do not think illegal immigrants should be here, they should try to get here legally. But the process is just so expensive and it takes years and years of waiting. This is coming from a person who has parents that once came here illegally and now are American citizens.

Posted by Anonymous on Apr. 16, 2013 at 4:55 AM
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momofjkkc
by on Apr. 16, 2013 at 12:23 PM
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I have never come across a job that requires a birth certificate. My husband is a perm resident in the process of becoming a citizen. He has been here for 25years. He has always paid his taxes through his tin. And as of the last 13 yrs a valid ss#
As an employer he says he is not INS. If somebody comes to his with a properly filled out application, qualifies for the job, passes the interview and brings the proper documentation required to work, he will hire them. It is not his responibility to research there legal status. If they show for work, do the job properly and by policy the have a job if not...no job.


Quoting icn_mom:

 


How did he obtain the right to legall work if he is not a citizen? when you get a job, you need a social security card, ID, and a birth certificate... AND on applications it specifically asks A: are you legally authorized to work in the country and B: are you a citizen? not commplaining, just wondering how on earth he got around all of that. :)


Quoting Anonymous:

Not true at all....My DH is illegal and has been here for 15 years....he has never been paid under the table he has always gotten a pycheck...and always paid taxes however we don't get the EIC....


Quoting KennyPooPoo22:


Most illegal imagrents get paid cash because the employers know they are illegal. They can pay them less this way too. So no income tax.




 


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icn_mom
by on Apr. 16, 2013 at 12:26 PM

 

when you are hired for a job, you have to provide certain types of identification... the three Popular forms, ID, ss card, and birth certificate... if these "illegals" are able to provide these for employment, then yeah, not only are they illegals but theives...

Quoting momofjkkc:

I have never come across a job that requires a birth certificate. My husband is a perm resident in the process of becoming a citizen. He has been here for 25years. He has always paid his taxes through his tin. And as of the last 13 yrs a valid ss#
As an employer he says he is not INS. If somebody comes to his with a properly filled out application, qualifies for the job, passes the interview and brings the proper documentation required to work, he will hire them. It is not his responibility to research there legal status. If they show for work, do the job properly and by policy the have a job if not...no job.


Quoting icn_mom:

 


How did he obtain the right to legall work if he is not a citizen? when you get a job, you need a social security card, ID, and a birth certificate... AND on applications it specifically asks A: are you legally authorized to work in the country and B: are you a citizen? not commplaining, just wondering how on earth he got around all of that. :)


Quoting Anonymous:

Not true at all....My DH is illegal and has been here for 15 years....he has never been paid under the table he has always gotten a pycheck...and always paid taxes however we don't get the EIC....


Quoting KennyPooPoo22:


Most illegal imagrents get paid cash because the employers know they are illegal. They can pay them less this way too. So no income tax.


 


 



 

momofjkkc
by on Apr. 16, 2013 at 12:32 PM
Our lawyer told us that we would not be able to file for PA. Hmm
Oh well we've never had to file so I doesn't matter for us.


Quoting FoodIsLife:

Did you know that if an illegal lives in the US for 10 years and then gets called to or applies for a "Removal proceeding"..they won't be sent back, they're deemed "residents".  As long as they have good moral standings and such. Once you are a resident (not citizen) you are allowed to and required to file for taxes and are thena ble to collect PA.


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momofjkkc
by on Apr. 16, 2013 at 12:35 PM
Oh sorry I miss understood. Yes a birth certificate is an option as a form of ID but not a requiremnet.
I was confused for a sec. I've never benn required to show my birth certificate or known anyone that has. Lol


Quoting icn_mom:

 


when you are hired for a job, you have to provide certain types of identification... the three Popular forms, ID, ss card, and birth certificate... if these "illegals" are able to provide these for employment, then yeah, not only are they illegals but theives...


Quoting momofjkkc:

I have never come across a job that requires a birth certificate. My husband is a perm resident in the process of becoming a citizen. He has been here for 25years. He has always paid his taxes through his tin. And as of the last 13 yrs a valid ss#
As an employer he says he is not INS. If somebody comes to his with a properly filled out application, qualifies for the job, passes the interview and brings the proper documentation required to work, he will hire them. It is not his responibility to research there legal status. If they show for work, do the job properly and by policy the have a job if not...no job.



Quoting icn_mom:


 



How did he obtain the right to legall work if he is not a citizen? when you get a job, you need a social security card, ID, and a birth certificate... AND on applications it specifically asks A: are you legally authorized to work in the country and B: are you a citizen? not commplaining, just wondering how on earth he got around all of that. :)



Quoting Anonymous:

Not true at all....My DH is illegal and has been here for 15 years....he has never been paid under the table he has always gotten a pycheck...and always paid taxes however we don't get the EIC....



Quoting KennyPooPoo22:



Most illegal imagrents get paid cash because the employers know they are illegal. They can pay them less this way too. So no income tax.



 



 





 


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Anonymous
by Anonymous 50 on Apr. 16, 2013 at 12:40 PM

I agree!! 

Anonymous
by Anonymous 51 on Apr. 16, 2013 at 12:46 PM

bow downTHANKS FOR THE INFORMATION!!!

Anonymous
by Anonymous 11 on Apr. 16, 2013 at 12:52 PM

They get paid 150 per DAY here , CASH.  That is over 30 k per year, TAX FREE

gabrielsmommy04
by on Apr. 16, 2013 at 12:57 PM

what you forgot is a lot of them are self employed or paid under the table. therefore they don't pay taxes and I am not an idiot I know this for a fact my Dh was self employed for over 20 years and he had illegals constantly trying to underbid him for jobs with 1099's or paid as contracting fees where the person is responsible for paying their own fica, scoail security. medicare and also state sales tax to the comptroller's office. My dh also had to have his own General laibility insurance on job sites as well as workers comp insurance if he had even one helper. Illegals don't do all this which is why they can come in and underbid self employed contracting jobs for half the price that Legit contractors can. While what your saying does hold some merit it is not always true and they are killing the self employed workers who also by the way pay in generally about 22 to 25% in taxes to the irs. Way more than most w-2 employees. So they are hurting families. And it doesn't change the fact that they are here illegally and breaking the law. 

Anonymous
by Anonymous 52 on Apr. 16, 2013 at 12:58 PM
Just because they get an income check with a stolen social security number doesn't mean they are paying income tax! If you think they do you are the idiot. I've had my social security number stolen by an illegal and I saw the w-2. What they do is claim 10 dependants or claim exempt and never pay any taxes!
Anonymous
by Anonymous 11 on Apr. 16, 2013 at 12:59 PM
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Living in NY, you cannot hire illegals, LEGALLY, so they are ALL off the books and NO, they do not pay taxes(unless you count that soda they buy at 7 11 while they are all hanging outside of the store waiting for the trucks to pick them up for work.) For years they have hung out by 7-11, making a trashy mess. Then they get their 750 bucks for the week and send half back to Mexico, while living in an apartment with 10 other illegals.  OP, get a grip as to what is going on here. I am really tired of the sympathizers, I really am.

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