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That lady wants to have my son expelled (long)

Posted by Anonymous   + Show Post
So my son, who has some issues which I won't name to try and keep bias out of the post, was at school the other day. He is in kinder. We are not super religious, but we do pray daily as a family, I read the bible to my kids and we have discussions. We don't go to church though.

Anyways, the kids were having field day events, and they were eating outside. My son asks if the teacher will lead the class in prayer, after she explains that she can't, she told him he could pray by himself. So before he ate, he began to pray. Well other kids saw him and began to copy. He only asked the teacher because she was there, usually at lunch time the teacher just drops the kids off in the cafeteria and leaves. This day, the kids ate outside picnic style with their teacher, so he asked her to pray, since dh always leads us at our dinner table.

(We pray before every meal. When we have guests, we invite them, but they don't have to pray with us if they don't want to. We never force religion on anyone, we don't discuss religion other than prayers before a meal, when company is present, unless company brings it up. )

Well, a little boy's mother from up the street came to my house today (our sons are in class together) and started yelling at me for preaching to her kid. She told me to keep my "cult bull shit" to myself. When I tried to explain that he prays before every meal on his own, she cut me off and cussed me out some more. I lowered my voice again, almost to a whisper, and I basically told her that if she doesn't stop using that foul language in the presence of my children I would rip her tongue right out of her mouth! She looked absolutely shocked. She asked me if that was a threat. I asked her if it needed to be. I told her that her assumptions where a misunderstanding that she was throwing out of proportion and she needed to calm down and think rationally. I explained to her what happened, I apologized that her son copied my son, my son does not do that to be copied, but I will not make him stop either. She basically told me that I was full of it, that I was breaking the law pushing religion into the school and forcing her child to do things he shouldn't have to. She walked away telling me that I was what is wrong with this country and she would find a way to get my son expelled.

So I'm sitting here wondering, am I? I prayed by myself in school, I never forced my friends to pray with me, I never say with a group because they prayed or didn't pray. In fact none of my friends prayed. I never forced my kids to pray, they learned by watching us, they asked questions and I answered them with "I believe..." and explained that there are other beliefs as well. I want them to be able to choose whatever works for them. If they want to be Catholic,Muslim, Buddhist, Wiccan, or Atheist, I don't care. I have exposed them, I will not stop doing what I believe but I will not hide what the world offers, I have shown them where they can find information about other religions, or if they have questions, we look it up together. Is it so bad that he prays over his lunch every day by himself? I explained to him that his teacher cannot pray with him and that he shouldn't ask people at school to pray with him, but I don't see why he can't simply bless his food before he eats his lunch. He doesn't pray out loud, he simply folds his hands, bows his head and whispers to himself. Is this really worth him being expelled? Did I really do something so horrible by allowing this? I do believe in the separation of church and state, as far as the school shouldn't have to teach religion, but that doesn't mean a cognitive person shouldn't be allowed to say grace privately before a meal, right?

Posted by Anonymous on May. 24, 2013 at 7:01 PM
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by Gold Member on May. 24, 2013 at 7:31 PM
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 I don't need to be saved, but if that makes you feel better, you go right ahead. I was raised Catholic, was baptised, did my Holy Communion, went to Catholic school, and yet, here we are. Not going to happen ,dear :)

Quoting Anonymous:

Please don't judge others leave that up to MY God to do. Have a wonderful day. I will say a prayer that you will open your eyes to MY God the only God there is and that you too shall be saved.

Quoting Anouck:

God does NOT need to be brought back in schools, because not everybody believes in the same god, or any god. Just like the OP's son should have the right to pray, so do other kids have the right not to. Further more "leading a prayer", really? The kid said a prayer to himself. They're in kindergarten. I'm pretty sure the kids who copied him would have copied him if he started doing handstands, too. That's what kids in kindergarted do. It doesn't mean they all of a sudden "saw the light". You're pushing things way too far in the other direction. Reign it in some.  


Quoting Anonymous:

I think it's wonderful your son prayed at school. God needs to be brought back to schools. But since that will never happen its nice when a child starts leading a prayer. He didn't force any other kid to pray they obviously wanted to on their own and that's fantastic. Get ready to be calling your local news station if your son's school tries to punish him in any way and make sure you threaten the school that you will go to the news and to the district if they try to do anything to punish him. What he did was courageous and you must be so proud of him. What a terrific young man you have.




by on May. 24, 2013 at 7:31 PM

You did nothing wrong and neither did your son. She has no ground to stand on. 

by on May. 24, 2013 at 7:32 PM

Uh huh and keep reading into things too much, it's cool. 

Quoting Anouck:

 "She is probably an atheist on CM" most definitely implies that the woman's reaction is a common one on here. Which just isn't true. Atheists in general don't care what anybody believes, they just feel nobody's religious beliefs should be forced onto others. But you believe whatever you want to, no skin off my back :)

Quoting ajdahd13:

You don't know how to read, way to go on showing your stupidity!!! I never said all atheists on CM. Don't act like all of you are so sweet, and loving and caring and helpful because if you do it just shows your bias. I will be the first to say there are some awful Christians on here, and in real life. 

Quoting Anouck:

It's never a good idea to generalize, I'm an atheist on CM, and I just told her she and her son did nothing wrong. You, however, just exposed yourself to be just as bad as the mom in the story. Way to go! 

Quoting ajdahd13:

She's probably an atheist on CM. Lol. I don't think anything is wrong with your son praying at school, and asking what the equivalent of the head of the table, to pray. She politely told him no, and so he did his own thing. Maybe that lady needs to teach her kid to not be a follower. 

by on May. 24, 2013 at 7:33 PM
That lady is a fucking whack job! Ignore her idiocy.
by Ruby Member on May. 24, 2013 at 7:35 PM

your not wrong good for you 

by on May. 24, 2013 at 7:35 PM

No. Just no. Nothing illegal was done and your child can not be expelled for expressing his religion. Kids can pray, kids can even lead one another in prayer... teachers can't get involved but kids have the legal right to freedom of religion in school just as they do anywhere else. Its just that teachers can't endorse any religion.

I am atheist but would never ever put up with someone trying to strip a child of his right to pray over his meal or a test or even a freaking football game. Don't let anyone bully your child into submission. 

by on May. 24, 2013 at 7:36 PM
She's a loon. For one thing, in no way were you "forcing" your beliefs or religion into the school or on her kid. Your kid simply did what he's used to doing before eating food, nobody was pushing anything onto anybody else. Also, while I also agree with the separation of church and state, I don't get how that means that people can't just each do their own respective religious things, as long as it's not mandatory for others to follow something that they don't believe in. Besides, I'm pretty sure that part of the constitution is meant to keep states and the nation from establishing an overall religion, not to prohibit one little boy from praying over his food.
by Silver Member on May. 24, 2013 at 7:37 PM
Freedom of religion. If your son wants to pray by himself, that's no one's business but his own. She needs to calm her nerves and let her own son believe whatever he wants to as well.
by Ruby Member on May. 24, 2013 at 7:38 PM
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Bwahaha.  You have a whole post about religion and prayer, and you threaten to rip her tongue out (in the presence of your children too.)  You should be ashamed.

by Anonymous 8 on May. 24, 2013 at 7:38 PM

If he were saying it privately then the other kids wouldn't have been able to copy him. Teach him to say grace to himself at school. 

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