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That lady wants to have my son expelled (long)

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So my son, who has some issues which I won't name to try and keep bias out of the post, was at school the other day. He is in kinder. We are not super religious, but we do pray daily as a family, I read the bible to my kids and we have discussions. We don't go to church though.

Anyways, the kids were having field day events, and they were eating outside. My son asks if the teacher will lead the class in prayer, after she explains that she can't, she told him he could pray by himself. So before he ate, he began to pray. Well other kids saw him and began to copy. He only asked the teacher because she was there, usually at lunch time the teacher just drops the kids off in the cafeteria and leaves. This day, the kids ate outside picnic style with their teacher, so he asked her to pray, since dh always leads us at our dinner table.

(We pray before every meal. When we have guests, we invite them, but they don't have to pray with us if they don't want to. We never force religion on anyone, we don't discuss religion other than prayers before a meal, when company is present, unless company brings it up. )

Well, a little boy's mother from up the street came to my house today (our sons are in class together) and started yelling at me for preaching to her kid. She told me to keep my "cult bull shit" to myself. When I tried to explain that he prays before every meal on his own, she cut me off and cussed me out some more. I lowered my voice again, almost to a whisper, and I basically told her that if she doesn't stop using that foul language in the presence of my children I would rip her tongue right out of her mouth! She looked absolutely shocked. She asked me if that was a threat. I asked her if it needed to be. I told her that her assumptions where a misunderstanding that she was throwing out of proportion and she needed to calm down and think rationally. I explained to her what happened, I apologized that her son copied my son, my son does not do that to be copied, but I will not make him stop either. She basically told me that I was full of it, that I was breaking the law pushing religion into the school and forcing her child to do things he shouldn't have to. She walked away telling me that I was what is wrong with this country and she would find a way to get my son expelled.

So I'm sitting here wondering, am I? I prayed by myself in school, I never forced my friends to pray with me, I never say with a group because they prayed or didn't pray. In fact none of my friends prayed. I never forced my kids to pray, they learned by watching us, they asked questions and I answered them with "I believe..." and explained that there are other beliefs as well. I want them to be able to choose whatever works for them. If they want to be Catholic,Muslim, Buddhist, Wiccan, or Atheist, I don't care. I have exposed them, I will not stop doing what I believe but I will not hide what the world offers, I have shown them where they can find information about other religions, or if they have questions, we look it up together. Is it so bad that he prays over his lunch every day by himself? I explained to him that his teacher cannot pray with him and that he shouldn't ask people at school to pray with him, but I don't see why he can't simply bless his food before he eats his lunch. He doesn't pray out loud, he simply folds his hands, bows his head and whispers to himself. Is this really worth him being expelled? Did I really do something so horrible by allowing this? I do believe in the separation of church and state, as far as the school shouldn't have to teach religion, but that doesn't mean a cognitive person shouldn't be allowed to say grace privately before a meal, right?

Posted by Anonymous on May. 24, 2013 at 7:01 PM
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chalisa0
by Platinum Member on May. 24, 2013 at 7:39 PM

Threatening someone with bodily harm is wrong.  

Quoting FarmWife:

You did nothing wrong and neither did your son. She has no ground to stand on. 


tonijustine
by Silver Member on May. 24, 2013 at 7:39 PM

I would have pulled out my pocket Constitution (yes, I have one) nd asked her to read the Establishment Claus of the First Amendment. When she refused, I wold tell her that her ignorance was on full display and she may want to dial it back and save some dignity.

Anonymous
by Anonymous on May. 24, 2013 at 7:42 PM
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Like I said, religious people are so annoying.

Quoting Anonymous:

Please don't judge others leave that up to MY God to do. Have a wonderful day. I will say a prayer that you will open your eyes to MY God the only God there is and that you too shall be saved.

Quoting Anouck:

God does NOT need to be brought back in schools, because not everybody believes in the same god, or any god. Just like the OP's son should have the right to pray, so do other kids have the right not to. Further more "leading a prayer", really? The kid said a prayer to himself. They're in kindergarten. I'm pretty sure the kids who copied him would have copied him if he started doing handstands, too. That's what kids in kindergarted do. It doesn't mean they all of a sudden "saw the light". You're pushing things way too far in the other direction. Reign it in some.  




Quoting Anonymous:

I think it's wonderful your son prayed at school. God needs to be brought back to schools. But since that will never happen its nice when a child starts leading a prayer. He didn't force any other kid to pray they obviously wanted to on their own and that's fantastic. Get ready to be calling your local news station if your son's school tries to punish him in any way and make sure you threaten the school that you will go to the news and to the district if they try to do anything to punish him. What he did was courageous and you must be so proud of him. What a terrific young man you have.





Anonymous
by Anonymous on May. 24, 2013 at 7:48 PM

No it is the people like her that is wrong with this country!!!! As for having you're dear son expelled, Yes she most likely can.My DD was almost expelled due to praying head bowed eyes closed but not out loud! I btold her to just act like she is looking around when she said her blessing for her food. That was how she was able to stay in school.

Anonymous
by Anonymous on May. 24, 2013 at 7:51 PM

I think that at school age your child should know better than to ask his teacher to lead them in prayer. It would be your responsability to teach him that religion does not belong in school. If he wants to pray before he eats, he needs to do it quietly by himself.  Not everyone believes what he believes and it just isn't acceptable. 


We have our own religious beliefs in our home and we have taught our children that it is not to be discussed outside the home.  A classmate of one of my daughter's has continuously tried to shove the bible and God down her throat... going as far as telling her she is going to hell, if she prayed she wouldn't be short or have to wear glasses... etc.  I let it go at first but it finally upset me enough that I went in to speak to the teacher, principal, other student, her mother and my daughter.  


Well, the mother was just as looney as her daughter and the principal did suspend the child for a week.  They are in third grade.  This girl's mother told me I was going to hell along with my daughter because I don't preach the bible to my children.  I told her nicely that if she didn't want to keep this civil, we would be more than happy to discuss our religious beliefs with her... we were due for a human sacrafice soon and she was more than welcome to stop by anytime...


No, I was not serious.  I am actually a Christian Witch.... 



TheDoctorsWife
by on May. 24, 2013 at 7:56 PM
You and your son are right, she's nuts.
paintitblack0
by Silver Member on May. 24, 2013 at 7:56 PM

Your son did nothing wrong. Your such a good mom. I'm glad you explained other beliefs 

Anonymous
by Anonymous on May. 24, 2013 at 7:57 PM

Freedom of religion... if I have a child that wants to drink blood and wants to drink it all by himself, that is no one's business but his own.  He has the right to believe in whatever he wants.

Quoting clearlyme:

Freedom of religion. If your son wants to pray by himself, that's no one's business but his own. She needs to calm her nerves and let her own son believe whatever he wants to as well.


clearlyme
by Silver Member on May. 24, 2013 at 8:01 PM

are you mocking me? that's awesome.


Quoting Anonymous:

Freedom of religion... if I have a child that wants to drink blood and wants to drink it all by himself, that is no one's business but his own.  He has the right to believe in whatever he wants.

Quoting clearlyme:

Freedom of religion. If your son wants to pray by himself, that's no one's business but his own. She needs to calm her nerves and let her own son believe whatever he wants to as well.




all_4_my_son
by on May. 24, 2013 at 8:02 PM
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Kind of hard to be judged by an entity that doesn't exist......


Quoting Anonymous:

Please don't judge others leave that up to MY God to do. Have a wonderful day. I will say a prayer that you will open your eyes to MY God the only God there is and that you too shall be saved.



Quoting Anouck:

God does NOT need to be brought back in schools, because not everybody believes in the same god, or any god. Just like the OP's son should have the right to pray, so do other kids have the right not to. Further more "leading a prayer", really? The kid said a prayer to himself. They're in kindergarten. I'm pretty sure the kids who copied him would have copied him if he started doing handstands, too. That's what kids in kindergarted do. It doesn't mean they all of a sudden "saw the light". You're pushing things way too far in the other direction. Reign it in some.  






Quoting Anonymous:

I think it's wonderful your son prayed at school. God needs to be brought back to schools. But since that will never happen its nice when a child starts leading a prayer. He didn't force any other kid to pray they obviously wanted to on their own and that's fantastic. Get ready to be calling your local news station if your son's school tries to punish him in any way and make sure you threaten the school that you will go to the news and to the district if they try to do anything to punish him. What he did was courageous and you must be so proud of him. What a terrific young man you have.





 


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