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That lady wants to have my son expelled (long)

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So my son, who has some issues which I won't name to try and keep bias out of the post, was at school the other day. He is in kinder. We are not super religious, but we do pray daily as a family, I read the bible to my kids and we have discussions. We don't go to church though.

Anyways, the kids were having field day events, and they were eating outside. My son asks if the teacher will lead the class in prayer, after she explains that she can't, she told him he could pray by himself. So before he ate, he began to pray. Well other kids saw him and began to copy. He only asked the teacher because she was there, usually at lunch time the teacher just drops the kids off in the cafeteria and leaves. This day, the kids ate outside picnic style with their teacher, so he asked her to pray, since dh always leads us at our dinner table.

(We pray before every meal. When we have guests, we invite them, but they don't have to pray with us if they don't want to. We never force religion on anyone, we don't discuss religion other than prayers before a meal, when company is present, unless company brings it up. )

Well, a little boy's mother from up the street came to my house today (our sons are in class together) and started yelling at me for preaching to her kid. She told me to keep my "cult bull shit" to myself. When I tried to explain that he prays before every meal on his own, she cut me off and cussed me out some more. I lowered my voice again, almost to a whisper, and I basically told her that if she doesn't stop using that foul language in the presence of my children I would rip her tongue right out of her mouth! She looked absolutely shocked. She asked me if that was a threat. I asked her if it needed to be. I told her that her assumptions where a misunderstanding that she was throwing out of proportion and she needed to calm down and think rationally. I explained to her what happened, I apologized that her son copied my son, my son does not do that to be copied, but I will not make him stop either. She basically told me that I was full of it, that I was breaking the law pushing religion into the school and forcing her child to do things he shouldn't have to. She walked away telling me that I was what is wrong with this country and she would find a way to get my son expelled.

So I'm sitting here wondering, am I? I prayed by myself in school, I never forced my friends to pray with me, I never say with a group because they prayed or didn't pray. In fact none of my friends prayed. I never forced my kids to pray, they learned by watching us, they asked questions and I answered them with "I believe..." and explained that there are other beliefs as well. I want them to be able to choose whatever works for them. If they want to be Catholic,Muslim, Buddhist, Wiccan, or Atheist, I don't care. I have exposed them, I will not stop doing what I believe but I will not hide what the world offers, I have shown them where they can find information about other religions, or if they have questions, we look it up together. Is it so bad that he prays over his lunch every day by himself? I explained to him that his teacher cannot pray with him and that he shouldn't ask people at school to pray with him, but I don't see why he can't simply bless his food before he eats his lunch. He doesn't pray out loud, he simply folds his hands, bows his head and whispers to himself. Is this really worth him being expelled? Did I really do something so horrible by allowing this? I do believe in the separation of church and state, as far as the school shouldn't have to teach religion, but that doesn't mean a cognitive person shouldn't be allowed to say grace privately before a meal, right?

Posted by Anonymous on May. 24, 2013 at 7:01 PM
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RandiBear
by Gold Member on May. 25, 2013 at 3:25 AM
Lol I learn new things every day on this site!


Quoting FoxFire363:

Lol, I understand. I worship him, but his name is funny. Spelling it is kinda annoying, but I love him nonetheless. I can see why you'd wonder.




Quoting RandiBear:

Lol yea I gathered it was at least partially sarcastic. I just wasn't sure if it was just a random name pulled out of the air lol






Quoting FoxFire363:

Cernunnos is a pagan god. He is the god of the forests and the animals that live there. It was also a smart ass comment. It was meant to show her that she would welcome my prayers on her behalf to Cernunnos as much as I (on any non-believer in that specific deity) would welcome her prayers on my behalf to the Abrahamic god. She came back later to tell me that my gods are all Satan in disguise, lol.








Quoting RandiBear:

Curious...was that a smartass comment or does Cernunnos actually exist in some belief? I have never heard the name before lol










Quoting FoxFire363:

And I will pray that you see the light and accept the love and blessings of Cernunnos Lord of the Forests. Ok, I won't actually, because I'm not a rude bitch who wants to force her beliefs on others. I was just showing you how rude and stupid you sound.












Quoting Anonymous:

Please don't judge others leave that up to MY God to do. Have a wonderful day. I will say a prayer that you will open your eyes to MY God the only God there is and that you too shall be saved.













Quoting Anouck:

God does NOT need to be brought back in schools, because not everybody believes in the same god, or any god. Just like the OP's son should have the right to pray, so do other kids have the right not to. Further more "leading a prayer", really? The kid said a prayer to himself. They're in kindergarten. I'm pretty sure the kids who copied him would have copied him if he started doing handstands, too. That's what kids in kindergarted do. It doesn't mean they all of a sudden "saw the light". You're pushing things way too far in the other direction. Reign it in some.  
















Quoting Anonymous:

I think it's wonderful your son prayed at school. God needs to be brought back to schools. But since that will never happen its nice when a child starts leading a prayer. He didn't force any other kid to pray they obviously wanted to on their own and that's fantastic. Get ready to be calling your local news station if your son's school tries to punish him in any way and make sure you threaten the school that you will go to the news and to the district if they try to do anything to punish him. What he did was courageous and you must be so proud of him. What a terrific young man you have.















 







Anonymous
by Anonymous 18 on May. 25, 2013 at 3:39 AM

Separation of church & state ONLY applies to the school personnel. A TEACHER cannot lead a prayer. A STUDENT can legally pray in school if he /she wishes. I was an early childhood education major in college & we extensively discussed what separation of church & state means where schools are concerned.

autodidact
by Snarknado on May. 25, 2013 at 4:05 AM
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Quoting Anonymous:

I think it's wonderful your son prayed at school. God needs to be brought back to schools. But since that will never happen its nice when a child starts leading a prayer. He didn't force any other kid to pray they obviously wanted to on their own and that's fantastic. Get ready to be calling your local news station if your son's school tries to punish him in any way and make sure you threaten the school that you will go to the news and to the district if they try to do anything to punish him. What he did was courageous and you must be so proud of him. What a terrific young man you have.



Autodidact, Unrepentant Heathen

Anonymous
by Anonymous 19 on May. 25, 2013 at 4:06 AM

Look at it this way, if he gets expelled he can pray all of the time!

LizzieAnnesMom
by ☆Mrs.Winchester☆ on May. 25, 2013 at 4:12 AM
Your son did nothing wrong. And if the school tells him he cant pray anymore, you can do what my mom did, threaten to sue if she ever saw faculty or students wearing a cross, star of david, or wiccan symbol.
daisybaby91
by lipstick on May. 25, 2013 at 4:22 AM
I'm not religious. What your son did is not in any way shape or form offensive to me.
If your kid prayed with my kid, I would be glad that my child had the open mind to do so and was being exposed to different beliefs.
I understand why the teacher can't lead a prayer. That doesn't mean that your son doesn't still have the right to pray, and doesn't mean that anyone who wishes to join him doesnt have the right to.
SMH.
And people say religious people try to force their beliefs..... I honestly think more people that aren't religious try to force their beliefs or lack thereof. Hypocrites. And again, I'm not religious. But I'm not about to tell anyone they can't be.
Anonymous
by Anonymous 20 on May. 25, 2013 at 4:27 AM

I think that any child should have the right to pray if they want to. I don't think you are in anyway being forceful, I think this mom just heard what she wanted from her son and didn't even cre to be open to what you had to say.

She is ignorant, ignore her. I am by no means religious, but if my child wants to learn about god then I will teach him or her! I want my child to form their own views on religion and be open to the idea of different religions and what they stand for. I would never ever tell another mom what this mom said to you.

She is in the wrong, not you.


Anonymous
by Anonymous 20 on May. 25, 2013 at 4:28 AM

This is exactly how I feel!!

Quoting daisybaby91:

I'm not religious. What your son did is not in any way shape or form offensive to me.
If your kid prayed with my kid, I would be glad that my child had the open mind to do so and was being exposed to different beliefs.
I understand why the teacher can't lead a prayer. That doesn't mean that your son doesn't still have the right to pray, and doesn't mean that anyone who wishes to join him doesnt have the right to.
SMH.
And people say religious people try to force their beliefs..... I honestly think more people that aren't religious try to force their beliefs or lack thereof. Hypocrites. And again, I'm not religious. But I'm not about to tell anyone they can't be.


notjstanothrmom
by Ruby Member on May. 25, 2013 at 4:33 AM
Tell her to go right ahead and go to the school and try to have him expelled if she wants... obviously she has no claim. He is a child and did not fprce anything on anyone. They're at a prime age for copying. I am Agnostic and if my son came home praying I would let him and answer any questions he had. It would bring nothing but discussion to our home.

The other lady is obviously not a good parent if she can't just talk to her child aboit religion... even if it's to tell them they don't believe in anything or they believe XYZ.
daisybaby91
by lipstick on May. 25, 2013 at 4:36 AM
I dont understand why people bother themselves so much with what other people believe!
And people like crazy lady make the rest of us non religious people who are nice and not psycho look bad!


Quoting Anonymous:

This is exactly how I feel!!

Quoting daisybaby91:

I'm not religious. What your son did is not in any way shape or form offensive to me.

If your kid prayed with my kid, I would be glad that my child had the open mind to do so and was being exposed to different beliefs.

I understand why the teacher can't lead a prayer. That doesn't mean that your son doesn't still have the right to pray, and doesn't mean that anyone who wishes to join him doesnt have the right to.

SMH.

And people say religious people try to force their beliefs..... I honestly think more people that aren't religious try to force their beliefs or lack thereof. Hypocrites. And again, I'm not religious. But I'm not about to tell anyone they can't be.



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