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Working parents and food stamps ETA

Posted by on Jun. 18, 2013 at 4:14 PM
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I see the common phrase on here get a second or third or even fourth job, but do you do the math before you say that. I did the math today. So here goes:

There are 168 hours a week. Minium wage here is 7.25 so all my figures are based on Indiana's wages.

Lets start with a single mom with 1 job working 40 hours a week minuim wage. 

That is 1,160 before taxes. Average rent here is 600, so there goes half her check plus got to include utilities and child expenses. If she has a small child, diapers or pull ups, maybe formula. 

Now lets throw in a 2nd job in our single moms life. full time 2 40 hour jobs.

Thats 80 hours a week of work. She gets 2,320 a month before taxes. Working 2 jobs gives her 88 hours a week to sleep, take care of her child, and herself. 

Now lets say she gets a 3rd job. all 3 are 40 hour jobs working 7.25. She now works 120 hours a week making 3,480. Once again that gives her 48 hours in a week to sleep take care of herself and her child. 


Now lets move on to a couple husband and wife each working minium wage. 

We will start with just 1 job for both, 40 hours a week. That is 2,320 a month. 

Now lets give them both 2 jobs, working 40 hours at each one. Thats 4,640 before taxes. But gives them 88 hours to be parents take care of themselves and sleep. 

Lets give them 3 jobs apiece working 40 at each job. Thats 120 hours at work for each person that gives them 48 hours a week to take care of their child(ren) and themselves. but they make 6,960. 


average bills for Indiana is:

Rent is 600

Electric is 180

Gas is 70

Water is 75

Car payment, depends but for this exersise we will say 290

Insurance varies but for this exercise we will say 180

Phone, gotta have a phone for a job, 50

Child care is generally about 5 or 6 hundred a month

Average family eats 500 a month is groceries. 

So now lets add all this together, and this isnt including gas being 3.99 a gallon here, and health insurance and other expenses that are needed. 

Calculating everything and child care being 500 a month now the expenses are 2,445 and the childcare at 500 is if the family has 1 child. if they have 2 it doubles, 3 triples, ect ect. 


So lets go back to our single mother working 1 job. 2,445 a month and our single mom working 1 job is only making 1,160 before taxes. shes already in the hole. 

lets take her working 2 jobs, shes making 2,320 before taxes shes is still in the red of things.

Now lets take her working 3 jobs, never seeing her children, and never sleeping Shes no longer in the red, but than your going to complain someone else is raising her child, because someone else would be raising her child. 

Now lets take the husband and wife both working minium wage and take their situation.

2,320 a month they are still in the red. Take them working 2 jobs They can both float and do pretty well. 


But this is not always the situation for some parents. Some parents have a disability, or some other problem.

Also This is only done on minuim wage 40 hours, right now full time jobs are hard to come by. Everyone is hiring part time, if they are hiring at all. Looking through all these figures, for Full time employment for both parents, is just black and white, but got to include parents who cant find full time or a job at all. Jobs are hard to find, If you get full time your extremlly Lucky right now. Next time you tell a parent to work 2 or more jobs do the math and find out exactly what your asking of them. Because it might be damn near impossible, if not impossible. Think it through people. 

Thank you and that is all. 


*ETA* I never expected this post to blow up like this. I want to think everyone for giving me their perspective on such a hot topic not only on Cafemom but also in the world outside our computers. I got on after I put my kiddos to bed and had 99+ notifications. goodness. Thank you everyone for debating nicely and also for sharing your stories. I am trying to read everyones replies quickly, but with so many having such wonderful points on their views and sharing their stories, replying to each one will be hard to do. Each story is diffrent, but yet they all have a message. Some abuse, while some use it for its intended purpose. I know everyone wants a world where no matter what no kids are living in poverty, but sometimes that world is hard to reach. Due to job closings, outsourcing, wage cuts, and lack of full time jobs because of the affordable health care act, sometimes people just need an extra push. Im proud of everyone who is using the system for its intended purpose. While I know the abusers need to reevaluate their situation and their life. Even before PA, everyone had help raising their kids. Look at the great depression that followed after the rawring 20's. Those children in that time were not going to survive in the communitys and the people didnt ban together to help each other through a tough time. Only taking the help that is needed is a wonderful approach. Thank you again for reading and for sharing your thoughts, stories, and opionions on a hot topic. :D

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MysticIceWater
by Saphyres mommy on Jun. 18, 2013 at 4:27 PM

BUMP!

MysticIceWater
by Saphyres mommy on Jun. 18, 2013 at 4:43 PM

Hmm guess no one wants to read the statistics and numbers I crunched.. How sad. 

Anonymous
by Anonymous 1 on Jun. 18, 2013 at 4:51 PM
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I'm on the same page. I live in Oregon so min wage is high, I think 8.80 now, but it is near impossible to find a full time job. If I found a full time job, my husband has one, we would no longer qualify for food stamps but with the cost of child care we would be in the red constantly.

People just seem to want everyones lives to fit into the pretty picture they paint but it doesn't always work out that way. I don't see the point in paying someone else to raise my kid so I can work and be just as broke.

MysticIceWater
by Saphyres mommy on Jun. 18, 2013 at 4:54 PM


exactly. I hate the moms on here who think it all just falls into place and other moms can just stop time and work a ton of jobs and still be a mom. Working one job is draining enough and than add parenting which if you have kiddos like mine, one being extremly special needs and the other 2 are babies its tiring enough without getting another damn job!

Quoting Anonymous:

I'm on the same page. I live in Oregon so min wage is high, I think 8.80 now, but it is near impossible to find a full time job. If I found a full time job, my husband has one, we would no longer qualify for food stamps but with the cost of child care we would be in the red constantly.

People just seem to want everyones lives to fit into the pretty picture they paint but it doesn't always work out that way. I don't see the point in paying someone else to raise my kid so I can work and be just as broke.



Anonymous
by Anonymous 2 on Jun. 18, 2013 at 4:58 PM
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This wouldn't be an issue if people would stop having kids they can't afford.
Anonymous
by Anonymous 1 on Jun. 18, 2013 at 5:02 PM
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Yea a lot of women on here have family that helps care for thie kids or have a spouse that makes  a lot of money and they just dont understand that it doesn't work. I considered getting a job at a local nursing home for the grave shift but then we  I thought about it and the only way we would be making money would be if we didn't put our 2yr old in child care and then I would never get more that 5hrs of sleep and be grumpy all the time and my house would be a mess and I would never spend any time with my dh or any time with my son that I wasn't tiered and grumpy so I just didn't spply because it doesn't make any sense to work just so I can be tiered and broke all the time, but hey the bitches on Cafe Mom will be happy!

Yea, No thank you! I really think a lot of these women forget that they would be shit out of luck themselves if they didn't have a high earning spouse/family help.


Quoting MysticIceWater:


exactly. I hate the moms on here who think it all just falls into place and other moms can just stop time and work a ton of jobs and still be a mom. Working one job is draining enough and than add parenting which if you have kiddos like mine, one being extremly special needs and the other 2 are babies its tiring enough without getting another damn job!

Quoting Anonymous:

I'm on the same page. I live in Oregon so min wage is high, I think 8.80 now, but it is near impossible to find a full time job. If I found a full time job, my husband has one, we would no longer qualify for food stamps but with the cost of child care we would be in the red constantly.

People just seem to want everyones lives to fit into the pretty picture they paint but it doesn't always work out that way. I don't see the point in paying someone else to raise my kid so I can work and be just as broke.





Anonymous
by Anonymous 1 on Jun. 18, 2013 at 5:03 PM
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Oh yea, cause baby killing is just awesome!

Quoting Anonymous:

This wouldn't be an issue if people would stop having kids they can't afford.



Anonymous
by Anonymous 3 on Jun. 18, 2013 at 5:04 PM
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I am all for help especially for those that are working. I have a divorced friend with 3 kids, (triplets no fertility treatments). One of the kids is special needs, she makes $70 a month too much to get FS so she now can not afford her son's $100+ RX if she feeds the kids.

I know another single mother of 2 living in a mission where she and her kids are served 3 meals a day, she has not held a job  for more then 3 months  in 5 years,  she has exhausted the help and support of her family because she thinks everything should be handed to her. Her kids are on Medicaid and she receives $400 or $500 a month in FS.

I just think the system is broken, not that it shouldn't exist.

 

owl0210
by Emerald Member on Jun. 18, 2013 at 5:04 PM
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Minimum wage isn't meant to support a family.
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MysticIceWater
by Saphyres mommy on Jun. 18, 2013 at 5:05 PM
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What about job loss, or sudden illness? What about those who had kids and could afford it but something out of their hands happened and they are having money issues? You have refered to those who have children while on PA, but what about those that had good jobs and something happened. Like in the case of the single mother in the OP. She didnt have her child thinking alright Im going to be a single mother. Maybe her Dh walked out or died. What about a job loss after the children were born? What do you think these people should do? Just drop their kid off at a fire station? or use PA for its intended purpose and get their shit together to get off of it? Think about this. The PA bashers use the PA users who have a ton children while on PA as your amo for your arguement, but thats not always the case. Its normally people who had a job lose, a death, or a sudden illness or injury? What is your answer for those people? 

Quoting Anonymous:

This wouldn't be an issue if people would stop having kids they can't afford.



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