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Adults should have a breeding limit

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It is reported that the UK government-sponsored Sustainable Development Commission believes that curbing people‚Äôs right to reproduce should be central to the fight against global warming (1).  Jonathon Porritt, who chairs the commission and is also a patron of the Malthusian campaigning group the Optimum Population Trust, wants to turn population control into the key objective of environmental campaigning. So the totalitarian impulse towards controlling people‚Äôs reproductive lives has now received the blessing of sections of the British political elite.

Porritt’s estrangement from the newborn puts him in the company of a growing band of dreary misanthropists. King Herod’s fear of the newborn was confined to one baby. Today’s misanthropic fear-merchants have a wider target. One Australian professor of obstetric medicine, Barry Walters, believes that the very survival of the planet demands stringent controls on the number of children parents can have. This is what he has to say:

‚ÄėAnthropogenic greenhouse gases constitute the largest source of pollution, with by far the greatest contribution from humans in the developed world. Every newborn baby in Australia represents a potent source of greenhouse gas emissions for an average of 80 years, not simply by breathing, but by the profligate consumption of resources typical of our society. What then should we do as environmentally responsible medical practitioners? We should point out the consequences to all who fail to see them, including, if necessary, the ministers for health. Far from showering financial booty on new mothers and thereby rewarding greenhouse-unfriendly behaviour, a ‚ÄúBaby Levy‚ÄĚ in the form of a carbon tax should apply, in line with the ‚Äúpolluter pays‚ÄĚ principle.‚Äô (2)

Throughout history, different cultures have celebrated birth as a unique moment signifying the joy of life. The reinterpretation of birth as a form of ‚Äėgreenhouse-unfriendly behaviour‚Äô speaks to today‚Äôs degraded imagination, where carbon-reduction becomes the supreme moral imperative. Once every newborn baby is dehumanised in this way, represented as a professional polluter who is a ‚Äėpotent source of greenhouse gas emissions‚Äô, then it becomes increasingly difficult to feel anything other than apprehension about the growth of the human race.

Posted by Anonymous on Nov. 17, 2013 at 3:57 AM
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GaleJ
by Gold Member on Nov. 17, 2013 at 10:21 AM
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You maintain that overpopulation is not a problem and question my knowledge of the subject. The fact that land is available means nothing! Ask those that had land in the thirties and watched their topsoil blow half way across the continent for lack of rain. Ask those who today, right here in America, are suffering from prolonged drought.

RESOURCES ARE FINITE and we, in our lifetimes may see what happens when too many people are competing for too few resources. If we don't our children certainly will. Add in to this rather devastating equation the fact that climate change will have a huge impact and the realities are clear. You may be able to "afford" X number of children but unless you want those children to suffer the effects of overpopulation you had best hope that others are not so blind to the real issues.


Quoting jen2150:

If we have too many people please explain why I can live on 40 acres by myself. People that go hungry is more of a fact of government control. You really need to educate yourself. This is not the first time this idea has come up. People should always have the freedom to have as many kids as they can afford. I personally have two kids because it is what I can afford. Others are able to afford more. The important part is not how many kids you have but raising responsible adults that will benefit society.




Quoting GaleJ:

WE HAVE TOO MANY PEOPLE AND NOT ENOUGH RESOURCES!!! It really is that simple and America uses resources and produces garbage completely out of proportion to our population. There can be reasonable and voluntary population control now or great suffering down the line, to deny that is to condemn the generations that follow us.






Quoting jen2150:

The planet is not over populated. Cities but not the planet. No one has a right to tell you how many kids you should have. The UK governmwnt is a highly intrusive government and their citizens have few rights. So glad my country's fore fathers saw them for what they were. Population control has nothing to do with resources. It is just another way of exerting control.



jen2150
by Platinum Member on Nov. 17, 2013 at 11:21 AM
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Actually it means everything. Land is life. Have you ever heard of dry land farming? Deserts that we know today weren't always deserts. N0 one has the right to tell you how many kids you should raise. Where are you located?


Children are a blessing. What if Einstein's mother would have been worried about over population? That one decision could caused the US to lose the war. You never what great things one child will be able to accomplish. We need to use our resources wisely but that doesn't mean we should limit our greatest resource. Our children are the greatest resource we can ever have.


Quoting GaleJ:

You maintain that overpopulation is not a problem and question my knowledge of the subject. The fact that land is available means nothing! Ask those that had land in the thirties and watched their topsoil blow half way across the continent for lack of rain. Ask those who today, right here in America, are suffering from prolonged drought.



RESOURCES ARE FINITE and we, in our lifetimes may see what happens when too many people are competing for too few resources. If we don't our children certainly will. Add in to this rather devastating equation the fact that climate change will have a huge impact and the realities are clear. You may be able to "afford" X number of children but unless you want those children to suffer the effects of overpopulation you had best hope that others are not so blind to the real issues.




Quoting jen2150:

If we have too many people please explain why I can live on 40 acres by myself. People that go hungry is more of a fact of government control. You really need to educate yourself. This is not the first time this idea has come up. People should always have the freedom to have as many kids as they can afford. I personally have two kids because it is what I can afford. Others are able to afford more. The important part is not how many kids you have but raising responsible adults that will benefit society.






Quoting GaleJ:

WE HAVE TOO MANY PEOPLE AND NOT ENOUGH RESOURCES!!! It really is that simple and America uses resources and produces garbage completely out of proportion to our population. There can be reasonable and voluntary population control now or great suffering down the line, to deny that is to condemn the generations that follow us.








Quoting jen2150:

The planet is not over populated. Cities but not the planet. No one has a right to tell you how many kids you should have. The UK governmwnt is a highly intrusive government and their citizens have few rights. So glad my country's fore fathers saw them for what they were. Population control has nothing to do with resources. It is just another way of exerting control.




Anonymous
by Anonymous 6 on Nov. 17, 2013 at 11:23 AM
momoftwo0406
by Ruby Member on Nov. 17, 2013 at 11:23 AM
I agree with this I think there should be a limit and it should have been in place a long time ago.

I know I'm horrible and I'm ok with that :)
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Suzy_Sunshine
by Gold Member on Nov. 17, 2013 at 11:25 AM

Hear! Hear!

He (Porritt) is absolutely right.

More importantly, the article indicates that he is in favor or disincentives and and education campaingn NOT limits on the number of children a person may produce. 

Rust.n.Gears
by on Nov. 17, 2013 at 11:26 AM
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I just think you should be licensed. It is harder to get a dog than to have a baby.  

Suzy_Sunshine
by Gold Member on Nov. 17, 2013 at 11:26 AM
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I think you need to spend a great deal of time living in various countries around the globe if you honestly believe that the UK govenment affords the people few individual freedoms. 

Quoting jen2150:

The planet is not over populated. Cities but not the planet. No one has a right to tell you how many kids you should have. The UK governmwnt is a highly intrusive government and their citizens have few rights. So glad my country's fore fathers saw them for what they were. Population control has nothing to do with resources. It is just another way of exerting control.


Kaseyrose21
by Gold Member on Nov. 17, 2013 at 11:28 AM
I don't agree. The degradation of the planet has to do with human activity, not the amount of people.

All you can do is look in the mirror and make changes to your own life. Though the actual changes that are needed... No one is willing to make those sacrifices.
Momof5kids84
by on Nov. 17, 2013 at 11:28 AM
If you are this hell bent on having the government in your life, can I pack your bags for you to China?

Quoting GaleJ:

WE HAVE TOO MANY PEOPLE AND NOT ENOUGH RESOURCES!!! It really is that simple and America uses resources and produces garbage completely out of proportion to our population. There can be reasonable and voluntary population control now or great suffering down the line, to deny that is to condemn the generations that follow us.




Quoting jen2150:

The planet is not over populated. Cities but not the planet. No one has a right to tell you how many kids you should have. The UK governmwnt is a highly intrusive government and their citizens have few rights. So glad my country's fore fathers saw them for what they were. Population control has nothing to do with resources. It is just another way of exerting control.

Suzy_Sunshine
by Gold Member on Nov. 17, 2013 at 11:28 AM

We are not experiencing a shortage of human beings. Maintaining current population levels at their current distribution is not a worth goal. 

However the main point is that where human babies are born is a key factor in this equation. One US Human baby is going to have the global impact of 13 Senagalese Human babies. 

Quoting Anonymous:

You do know you need to have at least 2.5 to upkeep a race ? And yet the average is 1.2 or something like that. everyone is dying off except the Chinese and Muslims.

Quoting Anonymous:

I agree. Humans are like a nasty infestation. Our population is getting seriously out of control. Yet for some reason people think having 4,5,6+ kids is a good idea.


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