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S/O dogs from shelters. A lot of you are clueless... -Warning- Obviously dogs are mentioned

Posted by on Apr. 6, 2014 at 11:59 AM
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As to what a "reputable breeder" is. 

Anyone who breeds dogs for the purpose of a) making money, or b) because they thought Fluffy needed to have puppies is NOT a reputable breeder. Neither is someone claiming to breed "teacups" or "designer dogs". And if you got your dog from a pet store that is even worse...But that's a whole different enraging topic.  

I've noticed that a lot of the people so against breeders in that post are using experiences from buying from shitty breeders to claim that reputable breeders are bad.  Umm. No. They made a bad decision and didn't research the breeder before buying a dog for being cute. Had they gone to a reputable breeder, they probably wouldn't have even sold a dog to most of the people claiming that "breeders are bad". 

Anyway. Here's a chart


Backyard Breeder

Reputable Breeder

1. Motive for breeding: "fun", "good for kids", "to make money". Does not screen buyers and seldom refuses to sell, even if buyer is unsuitable.1. Dedication to producing quality dogs is serious avocation. Has so much invested in dogs that he struggles to break even, not make a profit. Will sell pups only to approved buyers.


2. Breeds the family pet to any convenient pet of the same breed just to have purebred pups. Has no understanding or concern with genetics, pedigree bloodlines, or breed improvement.


2. Can explain how planned breedings are used to emphasize or minimize specific qualities through linebreeding, outcrossing, or more rarely, inbreeding.


3. Though the pets (sire/dam of pups) may be well loved, they were not tested for hip dysplasia or for other genetic problems such as cardiomyopathy and hypothyroidism.


3. Does not breed dogs younger than age 2. Has breeding stock x-rayed to check for hip dysplasia, echo/doppler run for SAS, holtered within the last year for boxer cardiomyopathy (also known as ARVC) and thyroid screened. Can produce certification to prove claims.


4. Offers no health guarantee beyond proof of shots, if that. Unqualified to give help if problems develop.


4. Written contractual commitment to replace a dog with genetic faults or to help owner deal with problem.


5. Seller has little knowledge of breed history, the national breed club or of the AKC breed standard. May claim this does not matter for "just pets".


5. Loves the breed and can talk at length about its background, uses, and ideal type.


6. Pups raised in makeshift accommodations, sometimes unsanitary, indicating lack of long-term investment in breeding and lack of true care for the puppies well-being.


6. Has an investment in dog equipment and the puppies environment is sanitary and loving.


7. Even when selling "just pets", may produce AKC papers or "championship pedigrees" as proof of quality. Yet seller does not increase his own knowledge through participation in national, regional, or local breed clubs. Is not involved in showing their dogs to "prove" quality.


7. Belongs to national, regional, and/or local dog clubs, indicating a love for the sport of purebred dogs. Shows their dogs as an objective test of how his stock measures up.


8. May be unwilling to show a buyer the entire litter or to introduce the dam of the litter. Cannot or will not compare/critique pups or pup’s ancestors.


8. Shows litter and dam in a sanitary environment. Helps buyer evaluate and choose a pup. Explains criteria for "show prospects" versus "pet picks".


9. Prices are at the low end of local range, since must move pups quickly. Advertises in the local newspaper classifieds.


9. Prices will be at the high end of local range. Price will not reflect all that is invested in the pups. A reputable breeder never profits from the sale of puppies. Does not advertise in the newspaper. Has an established waiting list for the pups.


10. No concern for the future of individual pups or the breed as a whole. Does not use AKC’s limited registration option or ask for spay/neuter contract to guard against the breeding of sub-standard pups. If you cannot keep pup, tells you to take it to a dog pound or to sell it.


10. After purchase, will help you with grooming or training problems. Will take back a pup you cannot keep rather than see it disposed of inappropriately. Sells pets with spay/neuter agreement and on AKC limited registration.

http://www.jlhweb.net/Boxermap/reputablebreeder.html

Bring on the bashing from the angry anons. 


Edit: Grrr. The Chart messes up when I press enter. I'll go find another one. 

by on Apr. 6, 2014 at 11:59 AM
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AliKatAK47
by Meanie Pants on Apr. 6, 2014 at 12:03 PM

I found another chart 

Click here

purpleducky
by Ruby Member on Apr. 6, 2014 at 12:15 PM

I agree. But there are other factors too. For instance, my mom falls into your reputable breeder category from the chart above, but she is far from it. She has 17 dogs in a house...CAGED!!!! All but 2 are Harriers so they are big dogs. They spend probably 70-80% of their time in a cage or kennel. The other time is outside for potty time and eating. They do not get loved or any "social" time. Hell she is complaining that 12 of them have kennel cough, wow I wonder why?

cowgirlsmommy
by Platinum Member on Apr. 6, 2014 at 12:17 PM
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I'll stick with saving mutts from the shelter
AliKatAK47
by Meanie Pants on Apr. 6, 2014 at 12:20 PM

She would fall into the "puppy mill" category IMO. Which is something totally different.  Does she show or work her dogs? How about sports? Or are they just there for her to make money? 

Quoting purpleducky:

I agree. But there are other factors too. For instance, my mom falls into your reputable breeder category from the chart above, but she is far from it. She has 17 dogs in a house...CAGED!!!! All but 2 are Harriers so they are big dogs. They spend probably 70-80% of their time in a cage or kennel. The other time is outside for potty time and eating. They do not get loved or any "social" time. Hell she is complaining that 12 of them have kennel cough, wow I wonder why?


quickbooksworm
by Ruby Member on Apr. 6, 2014 at 12:20 PM
Trying to make a designer breed is how my dog ended up at a rescue. Owner thought Jack Chi dogs would make good money. Mine came out looking nothing like the cute pictures of those mutts you find on Google that are basically big chihuahuas. He's weird looking and hes a bit of an asshole. We love him but yeah.
AliKatAK47
by Meanie Pants on Apr. 6, 2014 at 12:21 PM

Cool beans. 

Quoting cowgirlsmommy: I'll stick with saving mutts from the shelter


purpleducky
by Ruby Member on Apr. 6, 2014 at 12:21 PM

My sisters show them every now and then. They are great dogs and usually win best in group and sometimes best in show. She started this for the money and then gave up basically (this isn't the first time she has tried to breed animals for money). But everyone in the dog community think she is such a great breeder.

Quoting AliKatAK47:

She would fall into the "puppy mill" category IMO. Which is something totally different.  Does she show or work her dogs? How about sports? Or are they just there for her to make money? 

Quoting purpleducky:

I agree. But there are other factors too. For instance, my mom falls into your reputable breeder category from the chart above, but she is far from it. She has 17 dogs in a house...CAGED!!!! All but 2 are Harriers so they are big dogs. They spend probably 70-80% of their time in a cage or kennel. The other time is outside for potty time and eating. They do not get loved or any "social" time. Hell she is complaining that 12 of them have kennel cough, wow I wonder why?


MzD3
by Bronze Member on Apr. 6, 2014 at 12:22 PM

How do I go about finding a reputable breeder of Irish Wolfhounds ? 

AliKatAK47
by Meanie Pants on Apr. 6, 2014 at 12:22 PM

LMAO. That's how I used to describe my Chow before I sent her back to live with her breeder. 

Quoting quickbooksworm: Trying to make a designer breed is how my dog ended up at a rescue. Owner thought Jack Chi dogs would make good money. Mine came out looking nothing like the cute pictures of those mutts you find on Google that are basically big chihuahuas. He's weird looking and hes a bit of an asshole. We love him but yeah.


Anonymous
by Anonymous 1 on Apr. 6, 2014 at 12:23 PM
you need to report your mom or do it in a discreet way that's not right

Quoting purpleducky:

I agree. But there are other factors too. For instance, my mom falls into your reputable breeder category from the chart above, but she is far from it. She has 17 dogs in a house...CAGED!!!! All but 2 are Harriers so they are big dogs. They spend probably 70-80% of their time in a cage or kennel. The other time is outside for potty time and eating. They do not get loved or any "social" time. Hell she is complaining that 12 of them have kennel cough, wow I wonder why?

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