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Posted by on Jun. 29, 2014 at 1:58 PM
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slb235
by Grammar Police on Jun. 29, 2014 at 2:01 PM
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John Stossel said it well


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Opportunity is much more important than equality, and there is still income mobility in America. People born poor don't necessarily stay poor.

Pew research shows 58 percent of the kids born to the poorest fifth of families rose to a higher income group. Six percent rose all the way from the bottom fifth to the top fifth.

Sixty-one percent of kids born to the richest fifth of families fell from that group, and 9 percent fell all the way to the bottom.

Opportunity requires allowing people to take risks and make changes. We won't always like the outcomes. But over the long haul, we're still better off if people are free to strive and fail, or maybe—reap big rewards.

smalltownteddy
by on Jun. 29, 2014 at 2:08 PM
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I'm a big fat socialist. I can see the argument behind this, but I still think that education and medical care should be available to everyone without putting them hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt. Want people to get educated and be able to provide for their families with above poverty jobs? Provide them with an education. The cost of a degree here is unheard of in other countries and will absolutely be the fall of our economy and society as a whole.
B1Bomber
by Ruby Member on Jun. 29, 2014 at 2:12 PM
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I have no problemw with helping people who need it; in fact, that's one of the driving tenets of my religion. However, I don't think the government is particularly good at it. Government is not really known for efficiency or honesty, two of the most important aspects of charity.

Andrewsmom70
by Gold Member on Jun. 29, 2014 at 2:16 PM
So you don't think that people who have a lot of money don't end up paying into "the system" in other ways besides just taxes on their income?

Quoting Anonymous: The US has one of the lower tax rates in the world, and it drops significantly as you move up income brackets.

Your argument is null and void, in light of the global comparison.

Quoting Andrewsmom70: That's not what was said. FORCING someone to "help" those in need isn't compassion at all. That's the point. Most well off people WILLINGLY donate to really good causes. Not because they are FORCED but because they WANT to give.

People will be way more generous when it's up to them to give.

Think about restaurants where the tip is automatically added for groups of 6/8 or more. Most times, those people do not give any more than required on the bill. Give them the choice on how much to tip and they typically give way more than the 15/20%. Same concept just in different circumstances.

Quoting Anonymous: So helping people when they are down is hurting them?

Lol, ok. Why don't you open your limited little mind and look around at countries who DON'T help out their own citizens who are struggling and see what happens.

Then look at countries who bend over backwards to give everyone the best chance possible.

This crappy country will never compare to places like Finland.
TranquilMind
by Ruby Member on Jun. 29, 2014 at 2:18 PM
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 That is exactly right.

Big Government needs you to be dependent.  It doesn't operate any other way. 

smalltownteddy
by on Jun. 29, 2014 at 2:20 PM
Benjamin Franklin was forced to drop out of college because his family couldn't afford it. He was lucky enough to live in an era where not having a degree did not significantly limit his ability to excel in his fields of study.

However, we don't live in a society that is so understanding and open to people making their own way. Independent study, apprenticeship, and determination will get you nowhere these days unless you have a piece of paper backing it up, and it's one hell of an expensive piece of paper.

Eta: This was a quote of someone who quoted Benjamin Franklin on government assistance and deleted the post.
Bluerose1482
by Ruby Member on Jun. 29, 2014 at 2:21 PM

I love Thomas Sowell.  I don't think he's ever said anything that I fully disagree with.  Of course, that's not a surprise because while he says that he doesn't like to be labled, it is obvious that he has a libertarian streak.  

Anonymous
by Anonymous 3 on Jun. 29, 2014 at 2:24 PM
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I'm with you. I already pay a shit load in taxes. I'd feel better if the money was going to education and healthcare rather than war and corporate welfare. 

Quoting smalltownteddy: I'm a big fat socialist. I can see the argument behind this, but I still think that education and medical care should be available to everyone without putting them hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt. Want people to get educated and be able to provide for their families with above poverty jobs? Provide them with an education. The cost of a degree here is unheard of in other countries and will absolutely be the fall of our economy and society as a whole.


smalltownteddy
by on Jun. 29, 2014 at 2:30 PM
I think we would see a significant decline in other forms of public assistance if we intelligently restructured secondary education and medical care. Medical care wouldn't be so expensive if doctors didn't have to have salaries sufficient to work off 8+ years of college costs.

Give people the ability to get higher paying jobs in fields that they're passionate about, make providing secondary education a priority, and I can't imagine the amount of people who would be lining up for a chance to better themselves without having to sacrifice their lives and families to pay off loans.

Granted, this is just from personal experience, but over 75% of the people I personally know who are on PA are on it because of college costs. Make that money an investment, not a lifeline.

Quoting Anonymous:

I'm with you. I already pay a shit load in taxes. I'd feel better if the money was going to education and healthcare rather than war and corporate welfare. 

Quoting smalltownteddy: I'm a big fat socialist. I can see the argument behind this, but I still think that education and medical care should be available to everyone without putting them hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt. Want people to get educated and be able to provide for their families with above poverty jobs? Provide them with an education. The cost of a degree here is unheard of in other countries and will absolutely be the fall of our economy and society as a whole.

Anonymous
by Anonymous 2 on Jun. 29, 2014 at 2:33 PM
Odd. I didn't delete it. Mods, maybe?

Quoting smalltownteddy: Benjamin Franklin was forced to drop out of college because his family couldn't afford it. He was lucky enough to live in an era where not having a degree did not significantly limit his ability to excel in his fields of study.

However, we don't live in a society that is so understanding and open to people making their own way. Independent study, apprenticeship, and determination will get you nowhere these days unless you have a piece of paper backing it up, and it's one hell of an expensive piece of paper.

Eta: This was a quote of someone who quoted Benjamin Franklin on government assistance and deleted the post.
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