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Bernie Sanders...

Anonymous
Posted by Anonymous
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Tell me your thoughts...

Wait, tell me your educated, researched thoughts, not your "I heard this on fox news, or from Rush" thoughts.

I'm pretty impressed. He seems to be less political and more common sense. Even my normally conservative DH thinks Bernie is the best candidate out there.
Posted by Anonymous on Aug. 8, 2015 at 10:45 AM
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Anonymous
by Anonymous 2 on Aug. 8, 2015 at 10:45 AM
Who?
Anonymous
by Anonymous 1 - Original Poster on Aug. 8, 2015 at 10:49 AM
Seriously?

Quoting Anonymous 2: Who?
betsyabel
by Bronze Member on Aug. 8, 2015 at 10:57 AM

I think he's a socialist who will not make it to the vote.

Anonymous
by Anonymous 1 - Original Poster on Aug. 8, 2015 at 11:55 AM
Yeah, but he's really not a true socialist. Have you researched him at all?

Quoting betsyabel:

I think he's a socialist who will not make it to the vote.

Not_A_Native
by Ruby Member on Aug. 8, 2015 at 12:00 PM

This is not a socialist country. If you want to prosper you work harder AND smarter.

Anonymous
by Anonymous 1 - Original Poster on Aug. 8, 2015 at 12:03 PM
Sigh,

thanks for the lesson in American government.


Again, he's not a socialist.


Looking for educated thoughts, people. You know, researched the policy, etc.

Quoting Not_A_Native:

This is not a socialist country. If you want to prosper you work harder AND smarter.

eyes4ears
by Sapphire Member on Aug. 8, 2015 at 12:07 PM
I haven't done any research on him and his political agenda.
AvantGardener
by on Aug. 8, 2015 at 12:09 PM

Love Bernie. I predict a record number of voters in the primary

betsyabel
by Bronze Member on Aug. 8, 2015 at 12:09 PM

Actually, he calls himself a socialist so... And yes, I have researched him quite a bit. He was a front runner for me until I started looking into him. Here are my issues with him:

Voted NO on banning partial-birth abortion except to save mother’s life. (I'm pro choice but not on partial birth abortions)

Voted NO on military border patrols to battle drugs & terrorism.

Voted NO on paying down federal debt by rating programs' effectiveness.

Voted NO on subjecting federal employees to random drug tests.

Voted NO on protecting middle-income taxpayers from a national energy tax.

Voted NO on establishing nationwide AMBER alert system for missing kids.

Voted Yes on ObamaCare.

Voted YES on continuing federal funds for declared "sanctuary cities".

What I like...well, he thinks open borders are bad. 



Quoting Anonymous 1: Yeah, but he's really not a true socialist. Have you researched him at all?
Quoting betsyabel:

I think he's a socialist who will not make it to the vote.


Anonymous
by Anonymous 1 - Original Poster on Aug. 8, 2015 at 1:08 PM

Actually, he calls himself a democratic socialist, so....

On partial birth abortion, the bill bans except in cases of the woman's LIFE being in danger, not the woman's health - so if forgoing the medical procedure would leave her  paralyzed or even in a potentially vegetative state, it wouldn't matter because she would still be alive.  It also would only prosecute the medical professional that performed the procedure and not the woman herself - which is ridiculous. Personal accountability, anyone?  So, as much as I don't agree with some aspects of abortion, I am with him on voting no on that bill as it was written.  

Many of the other issues you mentioned were small aspects of very large bills that had multiple components as well.  He may have voted no on drug testing federal employees, however, what about the other components - teen drivers, financial incentives from the gov't to small companies, etc?  9Plus -it was also in the 90's - babies born the year he voted no on that bill are now of voting age - lots of global events have occurred since then and our economy has different priorities at this time.)

As for Obamacare, he voted yes because it was better than what existed, but it isn't what he wants - he wants to transform it into a single-payor system.  

I really don't care that much about immigration, I guess.  My grandparents were immigrants from Italy.  The process was going through Ellis island and not being convicts or here for immoral purposes.   I don't think anyone really thinks we should just have an open boarder. 

My biggest political concern is the economy.  It isn't as simple as "work harder and you'll succeed" anymore.  I have 60K in student debt from becoming a teacher and then earning my Master's degree - something that was necessary to continue my certification and to bump up my salary to a more viable amount so that I could pay for daycare when I went to work.  However, due to the federal and state failure to fund public education, I have trouble securing employment as a teacher.  One open position may garner 1500 applications.  I have always had excellent evaluations, but have been laid off due to reduction in force because the schools cannot afford to keep teachers (my district went from four Eng teachers to three and pushed class sizes to 30.)  So, with my MEd and 10 years of experience, I am now almost unmarketable because I 'cost too much' to employ.  I worked very hard, became educated, productively worked, etc.  And my story is just one of millions.  Yet, DH and I (combined income of around 150k) are paying 30k+ in taxes each year.  When I was unmarried and made 28k one year (I had two children), I paid zero taxes...nothing.  In fact, I got back thousands of dollars.  Sure, it was nice at the time, but how the F is that fair - how does that equate to 'work harder and you'll be more successful'.  Meanwhile, there are billionaires and corporations that are paying next to nothing in taxes.  Bernie Sanders is interested in everyone paying their fair share - in closing those loop holes and managing the welfare system so that education is available, being poor doesn't mean you can never succeed, being middle class doesn't mean you're carrying the majority of tax obligation, and being a corporation doesn't mean 'you'  influence the political candidate.  


Quoting betsyabel:

Actually, he calls himself a socialist so... And yes, I have researched him quite a bit. He was a front runner for me until I started looking into him. Here are my issues with him:

Voted NO on banning partial-birth abortion except to save mother’s life. (I'm pro choice but not on partial birth abortions)

Voted NO on military border patrols to battle drugs & terrorism.

Voted NO on paying down federal debt by rating programs' effectiveness.

Voted NO on subjecting federal employees to random drug tests.

Voted NO on protecting middle-income taxpayers from a national energy tax.

Voted NO on establishing nationwide AMBER alert system for missing kids.

Voted Yes on ObamaCare.

Voted YES on continuing federal funds for declared "sanctuary cities".

What I like...well, he thinks open borders are bad. 

Quoting Anonymous 1: Yeah, but he's really not a true socialist. Have you researched him at all?
Quoting betsyabel:

I think he's a socialist who will not make it to the vote.


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