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What I Have Found Regarding Santorum's Abortion Allegations

Posted by on Feb. 8, 2012 at 11:00 PM
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Got this off of Care2 Website:
Does It Matter That Rick Santorum’s Wife Used To Live With an Abortion Provider?

Published on January 17th, 2012
Written by: Robin Marty
Presidential candidate Rick Santorum has made it clear that although he may have been “agnostic” on abortion when he first started off in politics, he is anything but, now.

But how does the candidate’s wife’s past fit into the discussion, and should it?  According to an article out in Newsweek, prior to marrying her husband, Karen Santorum was involved in a live in relationship — with a much older man, and one who also provided abortions, on top of that.  “In fact, her live-in partner through most of her 20s was Tom Allen, a Pittsburgh obstetrician and abortion provider 40 years older than she, who remains an outspoken crusader for reproductive rights and liberal ideals. Dr. Allen has known Mrs. Santorum, born Karen Garver, her entire life: he delivered her in 1960. ‘Karen was a lovely girl, very intelligent and sweet,’ says Allen…’Karen had no problems with what I did for a living…We never really discussed it.’”

Much as the former Senator didn’t start out with ending abortion as a political platform, Karen seemed to have little interest in eliminating a woman’s right to choose, either, according to the article.  It’s that post-candidacy conversion for both Santorums that critics think should be a pertinent issue, and the reason why Karen’s progressive past should be discussed as a campaign issue.

On one hand, why does the views of a candidate’s wife have to be a campaign issue?  Other than the initiatives and special projects a First Lady tends to take on, she wouldn’t be creating policy.  Like a politician’s children, shouldn’t spouses be off limits?

On the other hand, the Santorums have made abortion a personal issue, tying restrictions back not just to their religious views, but also the times in their marriage that many people would consider abortions, but they did not, arguing that since they did not chose to terminate a pregnancy no one else should need to, either.

Is Karen Santorum’s cohabitation with an abortion provider something that should be discussed, or off limits on the campaign trail?  We’ll see what the rest of the field decides to do with this information as the South Carolina primary approaches.
Will be updating with another article regarding the wife's abortion :-)
Here is the update from Our Silver Blog regarding Karen's Abortion:


Santorum: Our Abortion Was Different
by ELLEN on APRIL 15, 2011 · 66 COMMENTS
Rick Santorum is one dangerously confused denialist. The former Pennsylvania Senator and presidential aspirant is best known for his inability to associate his professed compassion for life at the level of the zygote, with the physical realities of human sexuality.  He has equated loving same-sex relationships to bestiality.  He is opposed to abortion under any circumstance. Almost.

In October, 1996, his wife Karen had a second trimester abortion.  They don’t like to describe it that way. In his 2004 interview with Terry Gross, Santorum characterizes the fetus, who must be treated as an autonomous person, as a practically a gunslinging threat, whom the mother must murder in self-defense. Karen has had to justify her decision to save her own life by explaining that if she died her other children would have lost a mother.

Republican extremists in Congress and the statehouses propose to make abortion illegal even if it would save the mother’s life.  Even the Santorums admit they would make that choice, while claiming that they didn’t.

Losing a pregnancy because of a fatal fetal anomaly is never cause for celebration. The pain of second-trimester abortions is compounded by the hateful hypocrites who vilify families facing sorrowful circumstances, and the resulting scarcity of abortion clinicians.

It is revolting that Rick and Karen Santorum choose to stigmatize and harass those of us who, as they did, grieve over the loss of a possible child in the second trimester.

Abortion should not be driving U.S. policy.  It’s not a more fundamental right than the right to a job or safety from violence.  But we can’t stop it from being used as a wedge issue if we never talk about our experiences.  

Here’s the Santorums’ description of their second trimester abortion, written by Steve Goldstein, Philadelphia Inquirer,  May 4, 1997

Karen was in her 19th week of pregnancy. Husband and wife were in a suburban Virginia office for a routine sonogram when a radiologist told them that the fetus Karen was carrying had a fatal defect and was going to die.

After consulting with specialists, who offered several options including abortion, the Santorums decided on long-shot intrauterine surgery to correct an obstruction of the urinary tract called posterior urethral valve syndrome.

A few days later, rare “bladder shunt” surgery was performed at Pennsylvania Hospital in Philadelphia. The incision in the womb carried a high risk of infection.

Two days later, at home in the Pittsburgh suburb of Verona, Karen Santorum became feverish. Her Philadelphia doctors instructed her to hurry to Pittsburgh’s Magee-Women’s Hospital, which has a unit specializing in high-risk pregnancies.

After examining Karen, who was nearly incoherent with a 105-degree fever, a doctor at Magee led Santorum into the hallway outside her room and said that she had an intrauterine infection and some type of medical intervention was necessary. Unless the source of the infection, the fetus, was removed from Karen’s body, she would likely die.

At minimum, the doctor said, Karen had to be given antibiotics intravenously or she might go into septic shock and die.

The Santorums were at a crossroads.

Once they agreed to use antibiotics, they believed they were committing to delivery of the fetus, which they knew would most likely not survive outside the womb.


“The doctors said they were talking about a matter of hours or a day or two before risking sepsis and both of them might die,” Santorum said. “Obviously, if it was a choice of whether both Karen and the child are going to die or just the child is going to die, I mean it’s a pretty easy call.”

Shivering under heated blankets in Magee’s labor and delivery unit as her body tried to reject the source of the infection, Karen felt cramping from early labor.

Santorum agreed to start his wife on intravenous antibiotics “to buy her some time,” he said.

The antibiotics brought Karen’s fever down. The doctor suggested a drug to accelerate her labor.

“The cramps were labor, and she was going to get into more active labor,” Santorum said. “Karen said, `We’re not inducing labor, that’s an abortion. No way. That isn’t going to happen. I don’t care what happens.’ ”

As her fever subsided, Karen – a former neonatal intensive-care nurse – asked for something to stop the labor. Her doctors refused, Santorum recalled, citing malpractice concerns.

Santorum said her labor proceeded without having to induce an abortion.

Karen, a soft-spoken red-haired 37-year-old, said that “ultimately” she would have agreed to intervention for the sake of her other children.

“If the physician came to me and said if we don’t deliver your baby in one hour you will be dead, yeah, I would have to do it,” she said. “But for me, it was at the very end. I would never make a decision like that until all other means had been thoroughly exhausted.”

The fetus was delivered at 20 weeks, at least a month shy of what most doctors consider viability.

In the months after the birth and death of Gabriel Michael Santorum, rumors began circulating in the Pennsylvania medical community that Karen Santorum had undergone an abortion. Those rumors found their way to The Inquirer, prompting the questions that led to this article.
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Euphoric
by Member on Feb. 9, 2012 at 1:24 AM

 I can't stand him.

etsmom
by Member on Feb. 9, 2012 at 2:42 AM

I don't think that the past circumstances of Mrs. Santorum's spontaneous abortion should be brought up during campaigning.  It is a personal and VERY private matter that has nothing to do with campaigning.  As for her past and living with an OBG that provided abortion services, that also has no bearing on the campaigning of Rick Santorum.  These are things that happend when she was in her twenties, and I do not know a single person who acts, thinks or behaves as they did while they were in their youth. 

Ultimately, I do not agree with their personal stances on womens fertility and health, as those are personal decisions best left to the woman directly involved.  Just because they did not have to make the decision, does not by any means make it ok for them to make the choice for others.

MrsTBailey
by on Feb. 9, 2012 at 6:40 AM
I agree with you. The purpose of this post was for everyone to know what really happened to their unborn child because i have read posts on this group where others have posted what the media had stated concerning the Santorums "abortion" without stating what really happened with their "abortion". Kwim :-)

Quoting etsmom:

I don't think that the past circumstances of Mrs. Santorum's spontaneous abortion should be brought up during campaigning.  It is a personal and VERY private matter that has nothing to do with campaigning.  As for her past and living with an OBG that provided abortion services, that also has no bearing on the campaigning of Rick Santorum.  These are things that happend when she was in her twenties, and I do not know a single person who acts, thinks or behaves as they did while they were in their youth. 

Ultimately, I do not agree with their personal stances on womens fertility and health, as those are personal decisions best left to the woman directly involved.  Just because they did not have to make the decision, does not by any means make it ok for them to make the choice for others.

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MlkandCookies
by on Feb. 9, 2012 at 6:45 AM

Though for the sake of argument you are taking the Santorum's word for it without any corroboration, you have no way of knowing if this is true either.

I also think when you take an anti-abortion political stance, I think becomes relevant to the public if you have participated in one or not.  Just like I think marital infidelity become's the public's business when you campaign on a family values and anti-gay marriage platform.

Quoting MrsTBailey:

I agree with you. The purpose of this post was for everyone to know what really happened to their unborn child because i have read posts on this group where others have posted what the media had stated concerning the Santorums "abortion" without stating what really happened with their "abortion". Kwim :-)
MrsTBailey
by on Feb. 9, 2012 at 7:01 AM
I have read other websites who have all used his 2004 interview and then ran with it. Besides the second site was done by a woman named Ellen it was not all santorums words only the interview. Plus i have just read from this site: http://sarahpalinhasaserpentsheart.blogspot.com/2012/01/rick-santorums-wife-karen-had-abortion.html

Quoting MlkandCookies:

Though for the sake of argument you are taking the Santorum's word for it without any corroboration, you have no way of knowing if this is true either.

I also think when you take an anti-abortion political stance, I think becomes relevant to the public if you have participated in one or not.  Just like I think marital infidelity become's the public's business when you campaign on a family values and anti-gay marriage platform.

Quoting MrsTBailey:

I agree with you. The purpose of this post was for everyone to know what really happened to their unborn child because i have read posts on this group where others have posted what the media had stated concerning the Santorums "abortion" without stating what really happened with their "abortion". Kwim :-)
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sarebear31976
by on Feb. 9, 2012 at 7:30 AM

Has this been addressed on any NEWS websites, or something other than social networks and blogs?  A credible source?

MrsTBailey
by on Feb. 9, 2012 at 8:02 AM
Here are some: http://www.lifenews.com/2012/01/06/liberal-web-site-lies-claims-santorums-wife-had-abortion/

http://articles.nydailynews.com/2012-01-16/news/30633495_1_abortion-doctor-abortion-clinic-abortion-practice

http://lifesite.net/news/santorum-tragedy-exposes-perversion-of-abortion-industry

Sorry if that don't open i am mobile and have cut & pasted the websites above to try and make them clickable. :-)


Quoting sarebear31976:

Has this been addressed on any NEWS websites, or something other than social networks and blogs?  A credible source?

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sarebear31976
by on Feb. 9, 2012 at 8:10 AM


Quoting MrsTBailey:

Here are some: http://www.lifenews.com/2012/01/06/liberal-web-site-lies-claims-santorums-wife-had-abortion/

http://articles.nydailynews.com/2012-01-16/news/30633495_1_abortion-doctor-abortion-clinic-abortion-practice

http://lifesite.net/news/santorum-tragedy-exposes-perversion-of-abortion-industry

Sorry if that don't open i am mobile and have cut & pasted the websites above to try and make them clickable. :-)


Quoting sarebear31976:

Has this been addressed on any NEWS websites, or something other than social networks and blogs?  A credible source?

I guess I am confused.  Two of the articles are about the tragic end of his wife's pregnancy and are not really calling it an abortion and one is about her relationship with a doctor a couple of decades ago.  Do you have a stance on this issue?  Because the original articles you posted seem to be anti Santorum and the ones you gave me are Pro.  

Sarah




Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind."

-Dr. Seuss

MrsTBailey
by on Feb. 9, 2012 at 8:17 AM
After with your help i have seen the err of reading the Liberal sites that had done this. I guess my purpose of this post was to show what had happened with their unborn baby and i thought the original post that Ellen wrote on her blog was showing me and others how she took Santorum's interview and had a field day with it. I read his words and saw how his wife and him were trying to save their unborn with risky surgery which led to her giving birth early because she and an infection from that surgery. Sorry if i confused you but when you posed the above question of credible sources that was when i found the sites that stuck with his words and showed what really happened that day according to the santorums. :-)

Quoting sarebear31976:


Quoting MrsTBailey:

Here are some: http://www.lifenews.com/2012/01/06/liberal-web-site-lies-claims-santorums-wife-had-abortion/



http://articles.nydailynews.com/2012-01-16/news/30633495_1_abortion-doctor-abortion-clinic-abortion-practice



http://lifesite.net/news/santorum-tragedy-exposes-perversion-of-abortion-industry



Sorry if that don't open i am mobile and have cut & pasted the websites above to try and make them clickable. :-)





Quoting sarebear31976:

Has this been addressed on any NEWS websites, or something other than social networks and blogs?  A credible source?

I guess I am confused.  Two of the articles are about the tragic end of his wife's pregnancy and are not really calling it an abortion and one is about her relationship with a doctor a couple of decades ago.  Do you have a stance on this issue?  Because the original articles you posted seem to be anti Santorum and the ones you gave me are Pro.  

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Carpy
by Ruby Member on Feb. 9, 2012 at 8:20 AM
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Are you freaking serious? 

Quoting MrsTBailey:

I have read other websites who have all used his 2004 interview and then ran with it. Besides the second site was done by a woman named Ellen it was not all santorums words only the interview. Plus i have just read from this site: http://sarahpalinhasaserpentsheart.blogspot.com/2012/01/rick-santorums-wife-karen-had-abortion.html

Quoting MlkandCookies:

Though for the sake of argument you are taking the Santorum's word for it without any corroboration, you have no way of knowing if this is true either.

I also think when you take an anti-abortion political stance, I think becomes relevant to the public if you have participated in one or not.  Just like I think marital infidelity become's the public's business when you campaign on a family values and anti-gay marriage platform.

Quoting MrsTBailey:

I agree with you. The purpose of this post was for everyone to know what really happened to their unborn child because i have read posts on this group where others have posted what the media had stated concerning the Santorums "abortion" without stating what really happened with their "abortion". Kwim :-)


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