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Health care as defined is the diagnosis, treatment and prevention of disease, illness, injury and other physical and mental impairments in humans. Reproduction is defined as the biological process by which new “offspring” individual organisms are produced from their “parents.” Contraception is defined as the intentional prevention of conception by artificial or natural means. Sterilization is defined is a term referring to any process that eliminates, removes, or kills all forms of microbial life, including transmissible agents present on a surface, contained in a fluid, in medication, or in a compound such as biological culture media.
To say that contraception and sterilization practices are reproductive health care is in and of themselves false representation of what these practices are.
To force American citizens, employers and employees both, to go against their deeply help religious beliefs by mandating that they provide
However, "Experts disagree about the use of birth control pills to shrink and eliminate ovarian cysts that have already formed. Some studies show that the cysts shrink at the same rate with or without birth control pill use" (Source (among others): Smith RP (2002). Ovarian cysts. In Netter's Obstetrics, Gynecology, and Women's Health)
Quoting matreshka:There are many women with PMDD and ovarian cysts who are greatly helped by birth control pills, that is where it is preventative medicine.
How ridiculous can a person get, sex is natural and healthy, some must have been told it was dirty, too bad for them. Since when should the church or your employer decide what kind of health care you as a woman need. Talk about big government , can't get much bigger with the Republicans it is beyond disgusting, a bunch of old men talking about women's body parts, I think they are perverted lol
Actually, Most Fiscal Conservatives today would say take the GOVERNMENT OUT OF HEALTH CARE.
This entire problem started when the Government started setting regulations on employers/HMOS/etc... Nudging by BOTH sides has brought us to this point...
Quoting joey125:How ridiculous can a person get, sex is natural and healthy, some must have been told it was dirty, too bad for them. Since when should the church or your employer decide what kind of health care you as a woman need. Talk about big government , can't get much bigger with the Republicans it is beyond disgusting, a bunch of old men talking about women's body parts, I think they are perverted lol
Quoting romalove:
Quoting blondekosmic15:
Quoting Kate_Momof3:
I honestly think that those who believe that sex is something reserved for the sanctity of marriage and for those who can afford it, probably have issues with sex
Obviously you do not respect God's laws in terms of the sanctity of marriage. You may believe what you wish but the Scriptures reveal a very different picture than yours.
It's classic deflection. They probably hate themselves on a deep level and direct that hatred toward happy, healthy women because they know they are incredibly uncomfortable with the idea of sex. Forget the act itself.
The act itself Kate is a beautiful gift from God within the sanctity of marriage. We are all blessed with free will but with this gift comes tremendous responsibility and consequences good or bad. Obedience to God's laws have no room for hatred. By your own words you have contempt for those who love God and take his Commandments very seriously. This life is like a blink of an eye compared to eternity. No eye has seen, no ear has heard what God has prepared for those who truly love and obey Him.
Note the preoccupation with abortion and gays.
Then tell Jesus and the 12 Apostles they had no business warning us about these sins and the consequences thereof. I prefer to listen to their wisdom, not your personal opinion!
Quoting romalove:
What a dumb article. Truly, truly insipid and ridiculous. There are women who require contraceptive medication to treat illness, because there are other purposes to those medications besides birth control.
The majority of women use contraceptives to prevent pregnancy. I am a Christian, if my Dr encouraged me to take contraceptives for medical purposes I would refuse. Science has blessed us with a litany of meds today. I'm sure there are pills which I could take to help me other than bc.
The idea that there are women who advise other women not to have sex if they don't want to have children, to deny themselves and their partners the closeness, intimacy, and loving nature of sex when there are proven ways to have a sexual relationship and control fertility astounds and sickens me.
It's called responsibility Roma. You may believe in sex outside of marriage, many do not. Promiscuity and adultery have serious consequences. No need to be a Christian to understand this.
What I made bigger.
What in the world are you talking about? I said nothing about married or unmarried. I personally have been married for almost 29 years. I have three children. I didn't want any more after my third, and she is now 16. I am only 49. Should we have lived some sexless life because we don't want more children and abstaining is the "only" guaranteed form of not getting pregnant? Should we do that even though birth control exists because someone else wants to say it is wrong? Am I supposed to believe that Jesus and apostles said something about medications that didn't exist until 2000 years after their death?
What does promiscuity and adultery have to do with what I said? Why should people in loving and committed relationships have to abstain if there are medications that control fertility and they don't want more children?
Edited to add: Who cares what "many people" think about other people's sex lives? Whether or not I approve or don't regarding sex outside of marriage has nothing to do with anything here. I don't think I'm the arbiter for how everyone else has to live their lives.
Good grief the arrogance!
Where did you mention anything about your spouse/husband!? Partners signify relationships outside of marriage. You offered a generic term and did not mention marriage. Yes, individuals have free will but I pointed out the tremendous responsibility with freedom of choice. I believe in the sanctity of marriage. I have witnessed the sad consequences as many have of free sex which is prevalent thru out this Country for generations. Reality...not arrogance~
Quoting grlygrlz2:
However, "Experts disagree about the use of birth control pills to shrink and eliminate ovarian cysts that have already formed. Some studies show that the cysts shrink at the same rate with or without birth control pill use" (Source (among others): Smith RP (2002). Ovarian cysts. In Netter's Obstetrics, Gynecology, and Women's Health)
I have read this info also....
Quoting matreshka:
There are many women with PMDD and ovarian cysts who are greatly helped by birth control pills, that is where it is preventative medicine.
Quoting blondekosmic15:
Quoting romalove:
Quoting blondekosmic15:
Quoting Kate_Momof3:
I honestly think that those who believe that sex is something reserved for the sanctity of marriage and for those who can afford it, probably have issues with sex
Obviously you do not respect God's laws in terms of the sanctity of marriage. You may believe what you wish but the Scriptures reveal a very different picture than yours.
It's classic deflection. They probably hate themselves on a deep level and direct that hatred toward happy, healthy women because they know they are incredibly uncomfortable with the idea of sex. Forget the act itself.
The act itself Kate is a beautiful gift from God within the sanctity of marriage. We are all blessed with free will but with this gift comes tremendous responsibility and consequences good or bad. Obedience to God's laws have no room for hatred. By your own words you have contempt for those who love God and take his Commandments very seriously. This life is like a blink of an eye compared to eternity. No eye has seen, no ear has heard what God has prepared for those who truly love and obey Him.
Note the preoccupation with abortion and gays.
Then tell Jesus and the 12 Apostles they had no business warning us about these sins and the consequences thereof. I prefer to listen to their wisdom, not your personal opinion!
Quoting romalove:
What a dumb article. Truly, truly insipid and ridiculous. There are women who require contraceptive medication to treat illness, because there are other purposes to those medications besides birth control.
The majority of women use contraceptives to prevent pregnancy. I am a Christian, if my Dr encouraged me to take contraceptives for medical purposes I would refuse. Science has blessed us with a litany of meds today. I'm sure there are pills which I could take to help me other than bc.
The idea that there are women who advise other women not to have sex if they don't want to have children, to deny themselves and their partners the closeness, intimacy, and loving nature of sex when there are proven ways to have a sexual relationship and control fertility astounds and sickens me.
It's called responsibility Roma. You may believe in sex outside of marriage, many do not. Promiscuity and adultery have serious consequences. No need to be a Christian to understand this.
What I made bigger.
What in the world are you talking about? I said nothing about married or unmarried. I personally have been married for almost 29 years. I have three children. I didn't want any more after my third, and she is now 16. I am only 49. Should we have lived some sexless life because we don't want more children and abstaining is the "only" guaranteed form of not getting pregnant? Should we do that even though birth control exists because someone else wants to say it is wrong? Am I supposed to believe that Jesus and apostles said something about medications that didn't exist until 2000 years after their death?
What does promiscuity and adultery have to do with what I said? Why should people in loving and committed relationships have to abstain if there are medications that control fertility and they don't want more children?
Edited to add: Who cares what "many people" think about other people's sex lives? Whether or not I approve or don't regarding sex outside of marriage has nothing to do with anything here. I don't think I'm the arbiter for how everyone else has to live their lives.
Good grief the arrogance!
Where did you mention anything about your spouse/husband!? Partners signify relationships outside of marriage. You offered a generic term and did not mention marriage. Yes, individuals have free will but I pointed out the tremendous responsibility with freedom of choice. I believe in the sanctity of marriage. I have witnessed the sad consequences as many have of free sex which is prevalent thru out this Country for generations. Reality...not arrogance~
I didn't have to mention my spouse. I wasn't only talking about myself. I was discussing an issue, and the issue affects everyone, not just me.
I already said I don't get to make decisions for the whole world. The arrogance is in your expectation that all should live by your views, by your beliefs.
Quoting romalove:
Quoting blondekosmic15:
Quoting romalove:
Quoting blondekosmic15:
Quoting Kate_Momof3:
I honestly think that those who believe that sex is something reserved for the sanctity of marriage and for those who can afford it, probably have issues with sex
Obviously you do not respect God's laws in terms of the sanctity of marriage. You may believe what you wish but the Scriptures reveal a very different picture than yours.
It's classic deflection. They probably hate themselves on a deep level and direct that hatred toward happy, healthy women because they know they are incredibly uncomfortable with the idea of sex. Forget the act itself.
The act itself Kate is a beautiful gift from God within the sanctity of marriage. We are all blessed with free will but with this gift comes tremendous responsibility and consequences good or bad. Obedience to God's laws have no room for hatred. By your own words you have contempt for those who love God and take his Commandments very seriously. This life is like a blink of an eye compared to eternity. No eye has seen, no ear has heard what God has prepared for those who truly love and obey Him.
Note the preoccupation with abortion and gays.
Then tell Jesus and the 12 Apostles they had no business warning us about these sins and the consequences thereof. I prefer to listen to their wisdom, not your personal opinion!
Quoting romalove:
What a dumb article. Truly, truly insipid and ridiculous. There are women who require contraceptive medication to treat illness, because there are other purposes to those medications besides birth control.
The majority of women use contraceptives to prevent pregnancy. I am a Christian, if my Dr encouraged me to take contraceptives for medical purposes I would refuse. Science has blessed us with a litany of meds today. I'm sure there are pills which I could take to help me other than bc.
The idea that there are women who advise other women not to have sex if they don't want to have children, to deny themselves and their partners the closeness, intimacy, and loving nature of sex when there are proven ways to have a sexual relationship and control fertility astounds and sickens me.
It's called responsibility Roma. You may believe in sex outside of marriage, many do not. Promiscuity and adultery have serious consequences. No need to be a Christian to understand this.
What I made bigger.
What in the world are you talking about? I said nothing about married or unmarried. I personally have been married for almost 29 years. I have three children. I didn't want any more after my third, and she is now 16. I am only 49. Should we have lived some sexless life because we don't want more children and abstaining is the "only" guaranteed form of not getting pregnant? Should we do that even though birth control exists because someone else wants to say it is wrong? Am I supposed to believe that Jesus and apostles said something about medications that didn't exist until 2000 years after their death?
What does promiscuity and adultery have to do with what I said? Why should people in loving and committed relationships have to abstain if there are medications that control fertility and they don't want more children?
Edited to add: Who cares what "many people" think about other people's sex lives? Whether or not I approve or don't regarding sex outside of marriage has nothing to do with anything here. I don't think I'm the arbiter for how everyone else has to live their lives.
Good grief the arrogance!
Where did you mention anything about your spouse/husband!? Partners signify relationships outside of marriage. You offered a generic term and did not mention marriage. Yes, individuals have free will but I pointed out the tremendous responsibility with freedom of choice. I believe in the sanctity of marriage. I have witnessed the sad consequences as many have of free sex which is prevalent thru out this Country for generations. Reality...not arrogance~
I didn't have to mention my spouse. I wasn't only talking about myself. I was discussing an issue, and the issue affects everyone, not just me.
I already said I don't get to make decisions for the whole world. The arrogance is in your expectation that all should live by your views, by your beliefs.
You conveniently exclude my comments related to free will and responsibility for our choices in life. As a Christian I point out the Scriptures concerning morality and the sanctity of marriage. I would be a hypocrite if I did otherwise. You have free will as we all do to choose the path in life you want for yourself and your family. Jesus encourages those who love Him to defend his teachings. My intent...nothin' more~
My birth control allows me to live pain-free each day of the month. It's been a miracle - I never, never expected this to happen and it's wonderful.
Quoting grlygrlz2:However, "Experts disagree about the use of birth control pills to shrink and eliminate ovarian cysts that have already formed. Some studies show that the cysts shrink at the same rate with or without birth control pill use" (Source (among others): Smith RP (2002). Ovarian cysts. In Netter's Obstetrics, Gynecology, and Women's Health)
Quoting matreshka:There are many women with PMDD and ovarian cysts who are greatly helped by birth control pills, that is where it is preventative medicine.
And there are medical treatments that help my children and myself that Dr's have referred... My insurance doesn't fund all of them... So, I pay via my HSA/out of pocket.... Insurance is a safety net. Not an ALL access free pass to any and all medical treatment.
Quoting jaxTheMomm:My birth control allows me to live pain-free each day of the month. It's been a miracle - I never, never expected this to happen and it's wonderful.
Quoting grlygrlz2:However, "Experts disagree about the use of birth control pills to shrink and eliminate ovarian cysts that have already formed. Some studies show that the cysts shrink at the same rate with or without birth control pill use" (Source (among others): Smith RP (2002). Ovarian cysts. In Netter's Obstetrics, Gynecology, and Women's Health)
Quoting matreshka:There are many women with PMDD and ovarian cysts who are greatly helped by birth control pills, that is where it is preventative medicine.
How Limbaugh, Thomas, Bean produced conservative warrior Andrew Breitbart
- imamomzilla
on Mar. 1, 2012 at 9:32 AM