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Arizona Abortion Bill: Legislators Pass Three Bills, Including One That Redefines When Life Begins

Posted: 04/10/2012 4:37 pm Updated: 04/10/2012 5:58 pm

Arizona Abortion Bill

Arizona lawmakers gave final passage to three anti-abortion bills Tuesday afternoon, including one that declares pregnancies in the state begin two weeks before conception.

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The Republican-controlled House of Representatives passed a bill to prohibit abortions after the 18th week of pregnancy; a bill to protect doctors from being sued if they withhold health information about a pregnancy that could cause a woman to seek an abortion; and a bill to mandate that how school curriculums address the topic of unwanted pregnancies.

The 18th week bill includes a new definition for when pregnancy begins. All of the bills passed the Senate and now head to Gov. Jan Brewer (R) for her signature or veto. Passage of the late-term abortion bill would give Arizona the earliest definition of late-term abortion in the country; most states use 20 weeks as a definition.

A sentence in the bill defines gestational age as "calculated from the first day of the last menstrual period of the pregnant woman," which would move the beginning of a pregnancy up two weeks prior to conception.

Elizabeth Nash, states issues manager for Guttmacher Institute, a reproductive health research organization in Washington, said the definition corresponds with how doctors typically determine gestational age. She said since the exact date of conception cannot be pinpointed, doctors use the day of the woman's last menstrual period to gauge the duration of a pregnancy. The method does not provide an exact date.

"It will have some impact, from what we understand there are abortions provided at that point in Arizona," Nash said. "It will reduce access."

Nash said nationally, 1.5 percent of abortions in the U.S. occur after the 21st week and 3.8 percent occur between the 16th and 20th weeks. She said the bill would violate U.S. Supreme Court rulings on abortion by mandating a cutoff date that is before viability and not having enough provisions for late-term abortions needed to protect a woman's health.

State Rep. Kimberly Yee (R-Phoenix), the bill's sponsor, was not immediately available for comment. Her assistant said that Yee, a former aide to former California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger (R), was voting on the House floor.

State Rep. Matt Heinz (D-Tucson), a physician, said he did not want the state to set the gestational age since science could not provide a precise one. "I imagine it will be a legal dispute. How can a judge determine gestational age?" Heinz said. "If medical science can only determine gestational age to within 10-14 days, how can a superior court judge do it?"

The other two bills passed by the House include the state's "wrongful birth, wrongful life" bill that prohibits lawsuits against doctors who do not provide information about a fetus' health if that information could lead to an abortion. In addition, parents cannot sue on the child's behalf after birth.

The third bill requires that schools teach students that adoption and birth are the most acceptable outcomes for an unwanted pregnancy.

All three bills are now headed to Brewer's desk for her review. The governor has not announced a position on the bills, which is her practice, but her spokesman indicated that Brewer has a long commitment to pro-life issues.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/10/az-abortion-bills-arizona-gestational-age_n_1415715.html

by on Apr. 12, 2012 at 12:10 PM
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butlerro1013
by Bronze Member on Apr. 12, 2012 at 4:29 PM
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What I find the most disturbing is the bill that protects doctors from being sued if they withold health information.  That is ridonkulous.

AZ Medical Association Code of Ethics, says in part, 

"II. A physician shall uphold the standards of professionalism, be honest in all professional interactions, and strive to report those physicians deficient in character or competence, or engaging in fraud or deception, to appropriate entities.
III. A physician shall respect the law and also recognize a responsibility to seek changes in


TruthSeeker.
by CM Junkie on Apr. 12, 2012 at 4:59 PM
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 I have no issue with abortions being banned at 18 weeks outside of medical necessity. 90 some odd percent are already done in the first trimester.

Friday
by Platinum Member on Apr. 12, 2012 at 5:00 PM
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Gotta love those 'small govt' Republicans who want to insert themselves into doctor patient relationships. Ridiculous.

Thank Bob I'm in Cali where we won't put up with stupid garbage like this.

tm88rn
by on Apr. 12, 2012 at 5:07 PM
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This is beyond ridiculous. Government needs to stay out of health care. Abortion is a choice that needs to stay between a woman and her Dr. Government has no place in abortion. These bills are ridiculous. It's pathetic that in what was once the greatest and freest nation, basic health care is being decided by government, by people who have no real idea who actually gets abortions. But, the 18 week bill will not do too much damage, very few abortions are done at that time. The latest I've attended was 15 weeks I believe. But still. There are far more important issues that politicians need to be concerned with. And I will never, ever move to AZ.
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tm88rn
by on Apr. 12, 2012 at 5:07 PM
Exactly!!

I'm in Cali as well, thank god.


Quoting Friday:

Gotta love those 'small govt' Republicans who want to insert themselves into doctor patient relationships. Ridiculous.

Thank Bob I'm in Cali where we won't put up with stupid garbage like this.

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bluerooffarm
by Silver Member on Apr. 12, 2012 at 5:11 PM

 Wait.... what is the big deal here?  This is just saying that we are going to calculate pregnancy from the last period which is how it is done here in the US!

Dating a pregnancy can cause confusion, because it can be done in either of two different ways. Pregnancy can be dated from the first day of the last menstrual period or it can be dated from the day of ovulation.

In the United States, pregnancy is dated from the first day of the last menstrual period. This is a holdover from a time when much less was understood about conception. No one understood that ovulation was required for conception or when ovulation occurred. However, most women know when their last menstrual period was and it was known that the average pregnancy lasts 280 days (40 weeks) from the first day of the last menstrual period. According to this system, conception doesn’t actually occur until 2 weeks of pregnancy. Obviously, you aren’t pregnant until conception occurs. This is just an artifact of the old system.

pj2becca21
by Bronze Member on Apr. 12, 2012 at 5:46 PM

I'm sick and tried of this liberal agenda in cali...... you people are full of BULLSHIT!!!!! I can't smoke on my fing pourch with out getting bitched at for killing babies or trees. F the tree. it your bullshit that is killing trees

Quoting Friday:

Gotta love those 'small govt' Republicans who want to insert themselves into doctor patient relationships. Ridiculous.

Thank Bob I'm in Cali where we won't put up with stupid garbage like this.


Carpy
by Platinum Member on Apr. 12, 2012 at 5:53 PM

I tried to explain that in another post on this, but some would rather think what the tile falsely implies.  That is exactly how doctors calculate it anyway.

Quoting godotherightthi:

Umm, that's a medical definition...the 40 weeks of gestation is caluclated from the first day of your last menstration.  So it is still 20 weeks.


erika9009
by Silver Member on Apr. 12, 2012 at 6:19 PM

I think AZ should be focusing on Illegal Immagration and Drug Cartels.  To me , those are their biggest issues. 

Friday
by Platinum Member on Apr. 12, 2012 at 6:30 PM
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Quoting pj2becca21:

I'm sick and tried of this liberal agenda in cali...... you people are full of BULLSHIT!!!!! I can't smoke on my fing pourch with out getting bitched at for killing babies or trees. F the tree. it your bullshit that is killing trees

Quoting Friday:

Gotta love those 'small govt' Republicans who want to insert themselves into doctor patient relationships. Ridiculous.

Thank Bob I'm in Cali where we won't put up with stupid garbage like this.


Excuse you? You ASSume that because I identify as a Liberal that I support everything Dem/Libs do? How ignorant. However, if you hate this beautiful state so much feel free to leave, I doubt you'll be missed.

I haven't killed any trees, don't know wtf you are babbling on about this time.

"The problem with the world today is there are too many stupid people.....and no one to eat em!"


~Carlos Mencia

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