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SEALs slam Obama for using them as 'ammunition' in bid to take credit for bin Laden killing during election campaign

Serving and former US Navy SEALs have slammed President Barack Obama for taking the credit for killing Osama bin Laden and accused him of using Special Forces operators as ‘ammunition’ for his re-election campaign.

The SEALs spoke out to MailOnline after the Obama campaign released an ad entitled ‘One Chance’.

In it President Bill Clinton is featured saying that Mr Obama took ‘the harder and the more honourable path’ in ordering that bin Laden be killed. The words ‘Which path would Mitt Romney have taken?’ are then displayed.

Besides the ad, the White House is marking the first anniversary of the SEAL Team Six raid that killed bin Laden inside his compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan with a series of briefings and an NBC interview in the Situation Room designed to highlight the ‘gutsy call’ made by the President.

Taking credit: President Obama has used bin Laden's death as a campaign tool

Taking credit: President Obama has used bin Laden's death as a campaign tool

Mr Obama used a news conference today to trumpet his personal role and imply that his Republican opponent Mr Romney, who in 2008 expressed reservations about the wisdom of sending troops into Pakistan, would have let bin Laden live.

‘I said that I'd go after bin Laden if we had a clear shot at him, and I did,’ Mr Obama said. ‘If there are others who have said one thing and now suggest they'd do something else, then I'd go ahead and let them explain it.’

Ryan Zinke, a former Commander in the US Navy who spent 23 years as a SEAL and led a SEAL Team 6 assault unit, said: ‘The decision was a no brainer. I applaud him for making it but I would not overly pat myself on the back for making the right call.

‘I think every president would have done the same. He is justified in saying it was his decision but the preparation, the sacrifice - it was a broader team effort.’

Mr Zinke, who is now a Republican state senator in Montana, added that MR Obama was exploiting bin Laden’s death for his re-election bid. ‘The President and his administration are positioning him as a war president using the SEALs as ammunition. It was predictable.’

Target: Bin Laden, pictured in his compound in Pakistan, was killed a year ago

Target: Bin Laden, pictured in his compound in Pakistan, was killed a year ago

Mission: Senior figures gathered to watch Navy SEALs invade the compound

Mission: Senior figures gathered to watch Navy SEALs invade the compound

Mr Obama has faced criticism even from allies about his decision to make a campaign ad about the bin Laden raid. Arianna Huffington, an outspoken liberal who runs the left-leaning Huffington Post website, roundly condemned it.

She told CBS: ‘We should celebrate the fact that they did such a great job. It's one thing to have an NBC special from the Situation Room... all that to me is perfectly legitimate, but to turn it into a campaign ad is one of the most despicable things you can do.’

Campaigning in Portsmouth, New Hampshire, Mr Romney responded to a shouted question by a reporter by saying: ‘Even Jimmy Carter would have given that order.’

A serving SEAL Team member said: ‘Obama wasn’t in the field, at risk, carrying a gun. As president, at every turn he should be thanking the guys who put their lives on the line to do this. He does so in his official speeches because he speechwriters are smart.

‘But the more he tries to take the credit for it, the more the ground operators are saying, “Come on, man!” It really didn’t matter who was president. At the end of the day, they were going to go.’

Chris Kyle, a former SEAL sniper with 160 confirmed and another 95 unconfirmed kills to his credit, said: ‘The operation itself was great and the nation felt immense pride. It was great that we did it.

‘But bin Laden was just a figurehead. The war on terror continues. Taking him out didn’t really change anything as far as the war on terror is concerned and using it as a political attack is a cheap shot.

‘In years to come there is going to be information that will come out that Obama was not the man who made the call. He can say he did and the people who really know what happened are inside the Pentagon, are in the military and the military isn’t allowed to speak out against the commander- in-chief so his secret is safe.’

Rival: Mr Obama has questioned whether Mitt Romney would have done the same

Rival: Mr Obama has questioned whether Mitt Romney would have done the same

Senior military figures have said that Admiral William McRaven, a former SEAL who was then head of Joint Special Operations Command (JSOC) made the decision to take bin Laden out. Tactical decisions were delegated even further down the chain of command.

Mr Kyle added: ‘He's trying to say that Romney wouldn't have made the same call? Anyone who is patriotic to this country would have made that exact call, Democrat or Republican. Obama is taking more credit than he is due but it's going to get him some pretty good mileage.’

A former intelligence official who was serving in the US government when bin Laden was killed said that the Obama administration knew about the al-Qaeda leader’s whereabouts in October 2010 but delayed taking action and risked letting him escape.

‘In the end, Obama was forced to make a decision and do it. He knew that if he didn’t do it the political risks in not taking action were huge. Mitt Romney would have made the call but he would have made it earlier – as would George W. Bush.’

Brandon Webb, a former SEAL who spent 13 years on active duty and served in Iraq and Afghanistan, said: ‘Bush should get partial credit for putting the system in place.

‘Obama inherited a very robust package with regards to special ops and the intelligence community. But Obama deserves credit because he got bin Laden – you can’t take that away from him.

‘My friends that work in Special Operations Command (SOCOM) that have been on video teleconferences with Obama on these kill or capture situations say that Obama has no issue whatsoever with making decisions and typically it's kill. He’s hitting the kill button every time. I have a lot of respect for him for that.’

But he said that many SEALs were dismayed about the amount of publicity the Obama administration had generated about SEAL Team Six, the very existence of which is highly classified.

‘The majority of the SEALs I know are really proud of the operation but it does become “OK, enough is enough – we’re ready to get back to work and step out of the limelight.” They don’t want to be continuously paraded around a global audience like a show dog.

‘Obama has a very good relationship with the Special Operations community at large, especially the SEALs, and it’s nice to see. We had the same relationship with George W. Bush when he was president.’

It was ‘stretching a little much’ for Mr Obama to suggest only he would have made the decision. ‘I personally I don't think Romney would have any problem making tough decisions. He got a very accomplished record of making decision as a business professional.

‘He may not have charisma but he clearly has leadership skills. I don’t think he'd have any problem taking that decision.’

Clint Bruce, who gave up the chance of an NFL career to serve as a SEAL officer before retiring as a lieutenant after nine years, said: ‘We were extremely surprised and discouraged by the publicity because it compromises the ability of those guys to operate.

‘It’s a waste of time to speculate about who would and wouldn’t have made that decision. It was a symphony of opportunity and intelligence that allowed this administration to give the green light. We want to acknowledge that they made that decision.

‘Politicians should let the public know where they stand on national security but not in the play-by-play, detailed way that has been done recently. The intricacies of national security should not become part of stump speeches.’

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2137636/Osama-bin-Laden-death-SEALs-slam-Obama-using-ammunition-bid-credit.html

by on May. 1, 2012 at 11:17 PM
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Friday
by Platinum Member on May. 2, 2012 at 10:10 PM


Quoting jcribb16:

Out of curiousity, for quite awhile now I have wondered what IOKIYAR means.  You write it a lot, and I guess I'm still new enough to not know what it is other than an abbrev. or code.  Thanks!

Quoting Friday:


Quoting 1bluediamond:

Yes I do remember. Some here seem to have a lampse in their memory of scare tactics and judgement of who and who can not politicize significant events.


Well, you know, for some IOKIYAR. Always, no matter what.


It's OK If You're A Republican. To be honest it can go both ways. Some seem to be incapable of seeing any bad in their party or any good in the other party. Like one who would condemn Edwards actions but excuse Newts, or vice versa.


H.R.H. Friday of MaryJane

jcribb16
by Primrose Foxglove on May. 2, 2012 at 10:11 PM

And one of Obama's favorite sites, too.  I wonder what his reaction was to her comment.

Quoting pvtjokerus:

This says it all from the Queen liberal herself...."Arianna Huffington, an outspoken liberal who runs the left-leaning Huffington Post website, roundly condemned it.

She told CBS: ‘We should celebrate the fact that they did such a great job. It's one thing to have an NBC special from the Situation Room... all that to me is perfectly legitimate, but to turn it into a campaign ad is one of the most despicable things you can do.’


1bluediamond
by Bronze Member on May. 2, 2012 at 10:13 PM
I am only condescending to those who respond to me the same. It isn't right but it what it is. You are entitled to your criticism, I just hope you realize how it looks when you defend past presidents for doing the very exact same thing. The criticism on this issue from some seems a little one sided. That is what I am pointing out. Don't get me wrong some critism of Obama I get and some I agree with, but this one all the while dismissing or even defending other presidents I don't get.

Quoting jcribb16:

There is no part I don't understand.  You need not be so condescending.  Sure, he gave them "credit" but has taken off with the glory of it as that "He" did it and promised it.  He was continuing what Bush had started.  The Seals took the major step after given the "go."  And using this as campaigning for re-election shows his desire to be the one who accomplished this.

Quoting 1bluediamond:

The entire context is a rebuttal. What part don't you understand? Obama gave the credit to the Navy seals and has thanked them countless times. Obama may be politicizing his role but so did Bush. Why is it different?
Quoting jcribb16:


Quoting 1bluediamond:


Quoting blondekosmic15:

 


Quoting 1bluediamond:

How silly that some of you are so upset that OBL was killed on Obama's watch. You can diminish it, complain that it is being politicized and throw a tantrum all day long. But it won't change the fact that OBL was an integral part of why we went to war (a political factor) in the first place and at last he paid the ultimate retribution under the Obama admin. Blonde were you this upset with past presidents politicizing their roles in major decisions. If so which ones and why?

Diamond you have a habit of selective reading. Pls take the time to read the OP if you are goin' to leave a response. The reason many Americans including military are angry about Obama politicizing this event is due to his arrogance, insensitivity, lack of humility as President. As John McCain said...a true hero does not brag!


quote from OP>


‘Obama inherited a very robust package with regards to special ops and the intelligence community. But Obama deserves credit because he got bin Laden – you can’t take that away from him.


McCain on Bin Laden raid: 'The thing about heroes, they don't brag'



Blonde I can read just fine and I'll say it again, it's silly to be upset about Obama politicizing his role in a major U.S. decision while excusing Bush for the very same thing. Your anger seems misplaced. 






Quote:


The Republicans who say itâ��s bad form for President Obama to seek political gain for having given the order to kill Osama bin Laden seem to forget that George W. Bush strutted about the deck of an aircraft carrier nine years ago in a grossly premature celebration of â��Mission Accomplishedâ�� in the war in Iraq.

The toll of U.S. military casualties in Iraq at the time of Bushâ��s posturing stood at 139 killed and 542 wounded. More than 4,000 deaths and 31,000 non-fatal injuries were yet to come.

And when Bush and his surrogates subsequently used the Iraq war as a political issue in his campaign for re-election in 2004, there will still thousands more U.S. military deaths and injuries yet 

By comparison, nothing the Obama camp is saying about last year�s liquidation of Osama bin Laden comes even close to the crass politicization of Sept. 11 and the war in Iraq by Bush and his operatives.

Therefore, todayâ��s breed of pseudo-patriotic â�� and conveniently forgetful â�� Republicans should spare us their selective outrage

Link

You're very selective in your judgment in terms of stating Obama is arrogant,  insensitive and lacks humility while simultaneously praising Bush- Blondekosmic15 However, in your very limited world view I am sure this will elicit your anger and put you further in defense. A further reflection of your inability to look at both sides.


It's not silly at all.  There is a "team" so to speak, that between laying the groundwork, finding the right time after locating him, and taking care of him, Obama is not the only one who should receive credit here.  It's him, Bush, and the Military who took part in the dangerous field to find him, and then the one who aimed and killed him.  It's one thing to give thanks, and take credit at the same time, but it's the fact Obama's using it as leverage in a campaign election, with the Seals sign, that is wrong and over-stepping the others who took part in this.  Remove the ad is what most who are upset about it want.

In red:  Where's your rebuttal back to her instead of insulting her?  You know nothing of how limited or unlimited her views are as she doesn't know the same with you.


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jcribb16
by Primrose Foxglove on May. 2, 2012 at 10:19 PM
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I'm not defending other presidents - so there's nothing to realize how something looks.  If you are speaking to someone else about that, please leave me out of it - I wasn't condescending to you.  You are that way anytime I say anything to you.  Like your views are more important than mine or anyone else's?  You are entitled to your criticism, too, just as anyone else is.

Quoting 1bluediamond:

I am only condescending to those who respond to me the same. It isn't right but it what it is. You are entitled to your criticism, I just hope you realize how it looks when you defend past presidents for doing the very exact same thing. The criticism on this issue from some seems a little one sided. That is what I am pointing out. Don't get me wrong some critism of Obama I get and some I agree with, but this one all the while dismissing or even defending other presidents I don't get.

Quoting jcribb16:

There is no part I don't understand.  You need not be so condescending.  Sure, he gave them "credit" but has taken off with the glory of it as that "He" did it and promised it.  He was continuing what Bush had started.  The Seals took the major step after given the "go."  And using this as campaigning for re-election shows his desire to be the one who accomplished this.

Quoting 1bluediamond:

The entire context is a rebuttal. What part don't you understand? Obama gave the credit to the Navy seals and has thanked them countless times. Obama may be politicizing his role but so did Bush. Why is it different?
Quoting jcribb16:


Quoting 1bluediamond:


Quoting blondekosmic15:

 


Quoting 1bluediamond:

How silly that some of you are so upset that OBL was killed on Obama's watch. You can diminish it, complain that it is being politicized and throw a tantrum all day long. But it won't change the fact that OBL was an integral part of why we went to war (a political factor) in the first place and at last he paid the ultimate retribution under the Obama admin. Blonde were you this upset with past presidents politicizing their roles in major decisions. If so which ones and why?

Diamond you have a habit of selective reading. Pls take the time to read the OP if you are goin' to leave a response. The reason many Americans including military are angry about Obama politicizing this event is due to his arrogance, insensitivity, lack of humility as President. As John McCain said...a true hero does not brag!


quote from OP>


‘Obama inherited a very robust package with regards to special ops and the intelligence community. But Obama deserves credit because he got bin Laden – you can’t take that away from him.


McCain on Bin Laden raid: 'The thing about heroes, they don't brag'



Blonde I can read just fine and I'll say it again, it's silly to be upset about Obama politicizing his role in a major U.S. decision while excusing Bush for the very same thing. Your anger seems misplaced. 






Quote:


The Republicans who say itâ��s bad form for President Obama to seek political gain for having given the order to kill Osama bin Laden seem to forget that George W. Bush strutted about the deck of an aircraft carrier nine years ago in a grossly premature celebration of â��Mission Accomplishedâ�� in the war in Iraq.

The toll of U.S. military casualties in Iraq at the time of Bushâ��s posturing stood at 139 killed and 542 wounded. More than 4,000 deaths and 31,000 non-fatal injuries were yet to come.

And when Bush and his surrogates subsequently used the Iraq war as a political issue in his campaign for re-election in 2004, there will still thousands more U.S. military deaths and injuries yet 

By comparison, nothing the Obama camp is saying about last year�s liquidation of Osama bin Laden comes even close to the crass politicization of Sept. 11 and the war in Iraq by Bush and his operatives.

Therefore, todayâ��s breed of pseudo-patriotic â�� and conveniently forgetful â�� Republicans should spare us their selective outrage

Link

You're very selective in your judgment in terms of stating Obama is arrogant,  insensitive and lacks humility while simultaneously praising Bush- Blondekosmic15 However, in your very limited world view I am sure this will elicit your anger and put you further in defense. A further reflection of your inability to look at both sides.


It's not silly at all.  There is a "team" so to speak, that between laying the groundwork, finding the right time after locating him, and taking care of him, Obama is not the only one who should receive credit here.  It's him, Bush, and the Military who took part in the dangerous field to find him, and then the one who aimed and killed him.  It's one thing to give thanks, and take credit at the same time, but it's the fact Obama's using it as leverage in a campaign election, with the Seals sign, that is wrong and over-stepping the others who took part in this.  Remove the ad is what most who are upset about it want.

In red:  Where's your rebuttal back to her instead of insulting her?  You know nothing of how limited or unlimited her views are as she doesn't know the same with you.



jcribb16
by Primrose Foxglove on May. 2, 2012 at 10:20 PM

Thank you for telling me and not laughing at me for not knowing it, lol.  I'm glad it can go both ways!  I've just never seen it any other way but this way.  :)

Quoting Friday:


Quoting jcribb16:

Out of curiousity, for quite awhile now I have wondered what IOKIYAR means.  You write it a lot, and I guess I'm still new enough to not know what it is other than an abbrev. or code.  Thanks!

Quoting Friday:


Quoting 1bluediamond:

Yes I do remember. Some here seem to have a lampse in their memory of scare tactics and judgement of who and who can not politicize significant events.


Well, you know, for some IOKIYAR. Always, no matter what.


It's OK If You're A Republican. To be honest it can go both ways. Some seem to be incapable of seeing any bad in their party or any good in the other party. Like one who would condemn Edwards actions but excuse Newts, or vice versa.


1bluediamond
by Bronze Member on May. 2, 2012 at 10:29 PM
So what are your views on George W. Bush politicizing 9-11 for his reelection?

Quoting jcribb16:

I'm not defending other presidents - so there's nothing to realize how something looks.  If you are speaking to someone else about that, please leave me out of it - I wasn't condescending to you.  You are that way anytime I say anything to you.  Like your views are more important than mine or anyone else's?  You are entitled to your criticism, too, just as anyone else is.

Quoting 1bluediamond:

I am only condescending to those who respond to me the same. It isn't right but it what it is. You are entitled to your criticism, I just hope you realize how it looks when you defend past presidents for doing the very exact same thing. The criticism on this issue from some seems a little one sided. That is what I am pointing out. Don't get me wrong some critism of Obama I get and some I agree with, but this one all the while dismissing or even defending other presidents I don't get.



Quoting jcribb16:

There is no part I don't understand.  You need not be so condescending.  Sure, he gave them "credit" but has taken off with the glory of it as that "He" did it and promised it.  He was continuing what Bush had started.  The Seals took the major step after given the "go."  And using this as campaigning for re-election shows his desire to be the one who accomplished this.

Quoting 1bluediamond:

The entire context is a rebuttal. What part don't you understand? Obama gave the credit to the Navy seals and has thanked them countless times. Obama may be politicizing his role but so did Bush. Why is it different?
Quoting jcribb16:


Quoting 1bluediamond:


Quoting blondekosmic15:

 


Quoting 1bluediamond:

How silly that some of you are so upset that OBL was killed on Obama's watch. You can diminish it, complain that it is being politicized and throw a tantrum all day long. But it won't change the fact that OBL was an integral part of why we went to war (a political factor) in the first place and at last he paid the ultimate retribution under the Obama admin. Blonde were you this upset with past presidents politicizing their roles in major decisions. If so which ones and why?

Diamond you have a habit of selective reading. Pls take the time to read the OP if you are goin' to leave a response. The reason many Americans including military are angry about Obama politicizing this event is due to his arrogance, insensitivity, lack of humility as President. As John McCain said...a true hero does not brag!


quote from OP>


‘Obama inherited a very robust package with regards to special ops and the intelligence community. But Obama deserves credit because he got bin Laden – you can’t take that away from him.


McCain on Bin Laden raid: 'The thing about heroes, they don't brag'



Blonde I can read just fine and I'll say it again, it's silly to be upset about Obama politicizing his role in a major U.S. decision while excusing Bush for the very same thing. Your anger seems misplaced. 








Quote:


The Republicans who say itâ��s bad form for President Obama to seek political gain for having given the order to kill Osama bin Laden seem to forget that George W. Bush strutted about the deck of an aircraft carrier nine years ago in a grossly premature celebration of â��Mission Accomplishedâ�� in the war in Iraq.

The toll of U.S. military casualties in Iraq at the time of Bushâ��s posturing stood at 139 killed and 542 wounded. More than 4,000 deaths and 31,000 non-fatal injuries were yet to come.

And when Bush and his surrogates subsequently used the Iraq war as a political issue in his campaign for re-election in 2004, there will still thousands more U.S. military deaths and injuries yet 

By comparison, nothing the Obama camp is saying about last year�s liquidation of Osama bin Laden comes even close to the crass politicization of Sept. 11 and the war in Iraq by Bush and his operatives.

Therefore, todayâ��s breed of pseudo-patriotic â�� and conveniently forgetful â�� Republicans should spare us their selective outrage

Link

You're very selective in your judgment in terms of stating Obama is arrogant,  insensitive and lacks humility while simultaneously praising Bush- Blondekosmic15 However, in your very limited world view I am sure this will elicit your anger and put you further in defense. A further reflection of your inability to look at both sides.


It's not silly at all.  There is a "team" so to speak, that between laying the groundwork, finding the right time after locating him, and taking care of him, Obama is not the only one who should receive credit here.  It's him, Bush, and the Military who took part in the dangerous field to find him, and then the one who aimed and killed him.  It's one thing to give thanks, and take credit at the same time, but it's the fact Obama's using it as leverage in a campaign election, with the Seals sign, that is wrong and over-stepping the others who took part in this.  Remove the ad is what most who are upset about it want.

In red:  Where's your rebuttal back to her instead of insulting her?  You know nothing of how limited or unlimited her views are as she doesn't know the same with you.



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1bluediamond
by Bronze Member on May. 2, 2012 at 10:33 PM
If you want me to leave you out of my responses then why did you quote me when my response was to Blonde and not you?

Quoting jcribb16:

I'm not defending other presidents - so there's nothing to realize how something looks.  If you are speaking to someone else about that, please leave me out of it - I wasn't condescending to you.  You are that way anytime I say anything to you.  Like your views are more important than mine or anyone else's?  You are entitled to your criticism, too, just as anyone else is.

Quoting 1bluediamond:

I am only condescending to those who respond to me the same. It isn't right but it what it is. You are entitled to your criticism, I just hope you realize how it looks when you defend past presidents for doing the very exact same thing. The criticism on this issue from some seems a little one sided. That is what I am pointing out. Don't get me wrong some critism of Obama I get and some I agree with, but this one all the while dismissing or even defending other presidents I don't get.



Quoting jcribb16:

There is no part I don't understand.  You need not be so condescending.  Sure, he gave them "credit" but has taken off with the glory of it as that "He" did it and promised it.  He was continuing what Bush had started.  The Seals took the major step after given the "go."  And using this as campaigning for re-election shows his desire to be the one who accomplished this.

Quoting 1bluediamond:

The entire context is a rebuttal. What part don't you understand? Obama gave the credit to the Navy seals and has thanked them countless times. Obama may be politicizing his role but so did Bush. Why is it different?
Quoting jcribb16:


Quoting 1bluediamond:


Quoting blondekosmic15:

 


Quoting 1bluediamond:

How silly that some of you are so upset that OBL was killed on Obama's watch. You can diminish it, complain that it is being politicized and throw a tantrum all day long. But it won't change the fact that OBL was an integral part of why we went to war (a political factor) in the first place and at last he paid the ultimate retribution under the Obama admin. Blonde were you this upset with past presidents politicizing their roles in major decisions. If so which ones and why?

Diamond you have a habit of selective reading. Pls take the time to read the OP if you are goin' to leave a response. The reason many Americans including military are angry about Obama politicizing this event is due to his arrogance, insensitivity, lack of humility as President. As John McCain said...a true hero does not brag!


quote from OP>


‘Obama inherited a very robust package with regards to special ops and the intelligence community. But Obama deserves credit because he got bin Laden – you can’t take that away from him.


McCain on Bin Laden raid: 'The thing about heroes, they don't brag'



Blonde I can read just fine and I'll say it again, it's silly to be upset about Obama politicizing his role in a major U.S. decision while excusing Bush for the very same thing. Your anger seems misplaced. 








Quote:


The Republicans who say itâ��s bad form for President Obama to seek political gain for having given the order to kill Osama bin Laden seem to forget that George W. Bush strutted about the deck of an aircraft carrier nine years ago in a grossly premature celebration of â��Mission Accomplishedâ�� in the war in Iraq.

The toll of U.S. military casualties in Iraq at the time of Bushâ��s posturing stood at 139 killed and 542 wounded. More than 4,000 deaths and 31,000 non-fatal injuries were yet to come.

And when Bush and his surrogates subsequently used the Iraq war as a political issue in his campaign for re-election in 2004, there will still thousands more U.S. military deaths and injuries yet 

By comparison, nothing the Obama camp is saying about last year�s liquidation of Osama bin Laden comes even close to the crass politicization of Sept. 11 and the war in Iraq by Bush and his operatives.

Therefore, todayâ��s breed of pseudo-patriotic â�� and conveniently forgetful â�� Republicans should spare us their selective outrage

Link

You're very selective in your judgment in terms of stating Obama is arrogant,  insensitive and lacks humility while simultaneously praising Bush- Blondekosmic15 However, in your very limited world view I am sure this will elicit your anger and put you further in defense. A further reflection of your inability to look at both sides.


It's not silly at all.  There is a "team" so to speak, that between laying the groundwork, finding the right time after locating him, and taking care of him, Obama is not the only one who should receive credit here.  It's him, Bush, and the Military who took part in the dangerous field to find him, and then the one who aimed and killed him.  It's one thing to give thanks, and take credit at the same time, but it's the fact Obama's using it as leverage in a campaign election, with the Seals sign, that is wrong and over-stepping the others who took part in this.  Remove the ad is what most who are upset about it want.

In red:  Where's your rebuttal back to her instead of insulting her?  You know nothing of how limited or unlimited her views are as she doesn't know the same with you.



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jcribb16
by Primrose Foxglove on May. 2, 2012 at 10:38 PM

You are twisting my words out of context.  I said I'm not defending other presidents, according to your last response to me.  I haven't been in here doing that - you were making generalizations about something I was not doing.

Quoting 1bluediamond:

If you want me to leave you out of my responses then why did you quote me when my response was to Blonde and not you?

Quoting jcribb16:

I'm not defending other presidents - so there's nothing to realize how something looks.  If you are speaking to someone else about that, please leave me out of it - I wasn't condescending to you.  You are that way anytime I say anything to you.  Like your views are more important than mine or anyone else's?  You are entitled to your criticism, too, just as anyone else is.

Quoting 1bluediamond:

I am only condescending to those who respond to me the same. It isn't right but it what it is. You are entitled to your criticism, I just hope you realize how it looks when you defend past presidents for doing the very exact same thing. The criticism on this issue from some seems a little one sided. That is what I am pointing out. Don't get me wrong some critism of Obama I get and some I agree with, but this one all the while dismissing or even defending other presidents I don't get.



Quoting jcribb16:

There is no part I don't understand.  You need not be so condescending.  Sure, he gave them "credit" but has taken off with the glory of it as that "He" did it and promised it.  He was continuing what Bush had started.  The Seals took the major step after given the "go."  And using this as campaigning for re-election shows his desire to be the one who accomplished this.

Quoting 1bluediamond:

The entire context is a rebuttal. What part don't you understand? Obama gave the credit to the Navy seals and has thanked them countless times. Obama may be politicizing his role but so did Bush. Why is it different?
Quoting jcribb16:


Quoting 1bluediamond:


Quoting blondekosmic15:

 


Quoting 1bluediamond:

How silly that some of you are so upset that OBL was killed on Obama's watch. You can diminish it, complain that it is being politicized and throw a tantrum all day long. But it won't change the fact that OBL was an integral part of why we went to war (a political factor) in the first place and at last he paid the ultimate retribution under the Obama admin. Blonde were you this upset with past presidents politicizing their roles in major decisions. If so which ones and why?

Diamond you have a habit of selective reading. Pls take the time to read the OP if you are goin' to leave a response. The reason many Americans including military are angry about Obama politicizing this event is due to his arrogance, insensitivity, lack of humility as President. As John McCain said...a true hero does not brag!


quote from OP>


‘Obama inherited a very robust package with regards to special ops and the intelligence community. But Obama deserves credit because he got bin Laden – you can’t take that away from him.


McCain on Bin Laden raid: 'The thing about heroes, they don't brag'



Blonde I can read just fine and I'll say it again, it's silly to be upset about Obama politicizing his role in a major U.S. decision while excusing Bush for the very same thing. Your anger seems misplaced. 








Quote:


The Republicans who say itâ��s bad form for President Obama to seek political gain for having given the order to kill Osama bin Laden seem to forget that George W. Bush strutted about the deck of an aircraft carrier nine years ago in a grossly premature celebration of â��Mission Accomplishedâ�� in the war in Iraq.

The toll of U.S. military casualties in Iraq at the time of Bushâ��s posturing stood at 139 killed and 542 wounded. More than 4,000 deaths and 31,000 non-fatal injuries were yet to come.

And when Bush and his surrogates subsequently used the Iraq war as a political issue in his campaign for re-election in 2004, there will still thousands more U.S. military deaths and injuries yet 

By comparison, nothing the Obama camp is saying about last year�s liquidation of Osama bin Laden comes even close to the crass politicization of Sept. 11 and the war in Iraq by Bush and his operatives.

Therefore, todayâ��s breed of pseudo-patriotic â�� and conveniently forgetful â�� Republicans should spare us their selective outrage

Link

You're very selective in your judgment in terms of stating Obama is arrogant,  insensitive and lacks humility while simultaneously praising Bush- Blondekosmic15 However, in your very limited world view I am sure this will elicit your anger and put you further in defense. A further reflection of your inability to look at both sides.


It's not silly at all.  There is a "team" so to speak, that between laying the groundwork, finding the right time after locating him, and taking care of him, Obama is not the only one who should receive credit here.  It's him, Bush, and the Military who took part in the dangerous field to find him, and then the one who aimed and killed him.  It's one thing to give thanks, and take credit at the same time, but it's the fact Obama's using it as leverage in a campaign election, with the Seals sign, that is wrong and over-stepping the others who took part in this.  Remove the ad is what most who are upset about it want.

In red:  Where's your rebuttal back to her instead of insulting her?  You know nothing of how limited or unlimited her views are as she doesn't know the same with you.




jcribb16
by Primrose Foxglove on May. 2, 2012 at 10:40 PM

What is it that you didn't like about what he was politicizing - what exactly did he say that you think was wrong of him to say?

Quoting 1bluediamond:

So what are your views on George W. Bush politicizing 9-11 for his reelection?

Quoting jcribb16:

I'm not defending other presidents - so there's nothing to realize how something looks.  If you are speaking to someone else about that, please leave me out of it - I wasn't condescending to you.  You are that way anytime I say anything to you.  Like your views are more important than mine or anyone else's?  You are entitled to your criticism, too, just as anyone else is.

Quoting 1bluediamond:

I am only condescending to those who respond to me the same. It isn't right but it what it is. You are entitled to your criticism, I just hope you realize how it looks when you defend past presidents for doing the very exact same thing. The criticism on this issue from some seems a little one sided. That is what I am pointing out. Don't get me wrong some critism of Obama I get and some I agree with, but this one all the while dismissing or even defending other presidents I don't get.



Quoting jcribb16:

There is no part I don't understand.  You need not be so condescending.  Sure, he gave them "credit" but has taken off with the glory of it as that "He" did it and promised it.  He was continuing what Bush had started.  The Seals took the major step after given the "go."  And using this as campaigning for re-election shows his desire to be the one who accomplished this.

Quoting 1bluediamond:

The entire context is a rebuttal. What part don't you understand? Obama gave the credit to the Navy seals and has thanked them countless times. Obama may be politicizing his role but so did Bush. Why is it different?
Quoting jcribb16:


Quoting 1bluediamond:


Quoting blondekosmic15:

 


Quoting 1bluediamond:

How silly that some of you are so upset that OBL was killed on Obama's watch. You can diminish it, complain that it is being politicized and throw a tantrum all day long. But it won't change the fact that OBL was an integral part of why we went to war (a political factor) in the first place and at last he paid the ultimate retribution under the Obama admin. Blonde were you this upset with past presidents politicizing their roles in major decisions. If so which ones and why?

Diamond you have a habit of selective reading. Pls take the time to read the OP if you are goin' to leave a response. The reason many Americans including military are angry about Obama politicizing this event is due to his arrogance, insensitivity, lack of humility as President. As John McCain said...a true hero does not brag!


quote from OP>


‘Obama inherited a very robust package with regards to special ops and the intelligence community. But Obama deserves credit because he got bin Laden – you can’t take that away from him.


McCain on Bin Laden raid: 'The thing about heroes, they don't brag'



Blonde I can read just fine and I'll say it again, it's silly to be upset about Obama politicizing his role in a major U.S. decision while excusing Bush for the very same thing. Your anger seems misplaced. 








Quote:


The Republicans who say itâ��s bad form for President Obama to seek political gain for having given the order to kill Osama bin Laden seem to forget that George W. Bush strutted about the deck of an aircraft carrier nine years ago in a grossly premature celebration of â��Mission Accomplishedâ�� in the war in Iraq.

The toll of U.S. military casualties in Iraq at the time of Bushâ��s posturing stood at 139 killed and 542 wounded. More than 4,000 deaths and 31,000 non-fatal injuries were yet to come.

And when Bush and his surrogates subsequently used the Iraq war as a political issue in his campaign for re-election in 2004, there will still thousands more U.S. military deaths and injuries yet 

By comparison, nothing the Obama camp is saying about last year�s liquidation of Osama bin Laden comes even close to the crass politicization of Sept. 11 and the war in Iraq by Bush and his operatives.

Therefore, todayâ��s breed of pseudo-patriotic â�� and conveniently forgetful â�� Republicans should spare us their selective outrage

Link

You're very selective in your judgment in terms of stating Obama is arrogant,  insensitive and lacks humility while simultaneously praising Bush- Blondekosmic15 However, in your very limited world view I am sure this will elicit your anger and put you further in defense. A further reflection of your inability to look at both sides.


It's not silly at all.  There is a "team" so to speak, that between laying the groundwork, finding the right time after locating him, and taking care of him, Obama is not the only one who should receive credit here.  It's him, Bush, and the Military who took part in the dangerous field to find him, and then the one who aimed and killed him.  It's one thing to give thanks, and take credit at the same time, but it's the fact Obama's using it as leverage in a campaign election, with the Seals sign, that is wrong and over-stepping the others who took part in this.  Remove the ad is what most who are upset about it want.

In red:  Where's your rebuttal back to her instead of insulting her?  You know nothing of how limited or unlimited her views are as she doesn't know the same with you.




Friday
by Platinum Member on May. 2, 2012 at 10:46 PM


Quoting jcribb16:

What is it that you didn't like about what he was politicizing - what exactly did he say that you think was wrong of him to say?



You don't recall all the terror alerts in 2004 that never happened again after the election? Cheney saying we would be attacked if Kerry won?


H.R.H. Friday of MaryJane

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