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Warren: I used minority listing to share heritage

Posted by on May. 3, 2012 at 6:51 PM
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 http://bostonherald.com/news/politics/view/20220502warren_i_used_minority_listing_to_make_friends

Democratic Senate candidate Elizabeth Warren, fending off questions about whether she used her Native American heritage to advance her career, said today she enrolled herself as a minority in law school directories for nearly a decade because she hoped to meet other people with tribal roots.

“I listed myself in the directory in the hopes that it might mean that I would be invited to a luncheon, a group something that might happen with people who are like I am. Nothing like that ever happened, that was clearly not the use for it and so I stopped checking it off,” said Warren.

The Harvard Law professor argued she didn’t use her minority status to get her teaching jobs, and slammed her Republican rival U.S. Sen.Scott Brown for suggesting otherwise.

“The only one as I understand it who’s raising any question about whether or not I was qualified for my job is Scott Brown and I think I am qualified and frankly I’m a little shocked to hear anybody raise a question about whether or not I’m qualified to hold a job teaching,” she said, pushing to put Brown on defense. “What does he think it takes for a woman to be qualified?”

Warren is looking to shake off the story of her Native American background, which has hounded her since the Herald first reported that Harvard Law School has touted Warren as a minority hire. She also listed herself as a minority in a law school directory for nine years between 1986 and 1995.

“Being Native American has been part of my story I guess since the day I was born,” said Warren, who never mentioned her Native American heritage on the campaign trail even as she detailed much of her personal history to voters in speeches, statements and a video. “These are my family stories, I have lived in a family that has talked about Native American and talked about tribes since I was a little girl.”

Warren’s statements come as genealogists at the New England Historic Genealogical Society were unable to back up earlier accounts that her great great great grandmother is Cherokee. While Warren’s great great great grandmother, named O.C. Sarah Smith, is listed on a electronic transcript of a 1894 marriage application as Cherokee, the genealogists are unable to find the actual record or a photograhic copy of it, Society spokesman Tom Champoux said. A copy of the marriage license itself has been located, but unlike the application, it does not list Smith’s ethnicity.

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29again
by Gold Member on May. 3, 2012 at 10:52 PM

I wonder how many of us have some kind of "minority" in our bloodlines if we go back 5 or 6 generations.  And I wouldn't think that family lore really qualifies as hard truth, especially for something like this!  If it does, well, then I should get a share or two of a luxury car company!! AND, I'm descended from royalty, I'm sure I'm 89236th in line to the French throne. LOL.

Family lore is just that:  LORE, a story, a fairy tale.  With her being a lawyer, I wonder if she really thinks that would hold up in court?

lga1965
by on May. 3, 2012 at 11:13 PM

 My Grandma's ancestors came over on The Mayflower ---she was a member of the DAR (Daughters of the Revolution) and I guess that is "special".So, I am theoretically a descendant of the original people who came from England and other countries to settle in "the New World". Not that I care.LOL. That was too long ago.Her husband,my grandpa, was from Wales. ( that is a country on the west side of England)My other grandparents were from Norway and Sweden.I doubt that there are any exotic or unusual people in my background.

 But you know, when you apply for anything they do ask you to indicate your nationality, race,etc.don't they? I am definitely Caucasian. She might be American Indian. why not?

29again
by Gold Member on May. 3, 2012 at 11:37 PM


Quoting lga1965:

 My Grandma's ancestors came over on The Mayflower ---she was a member of the DAR (Daughters of the Revolution) and I guess that is "special".So, I am theoretically a descendant of the original people who came from England and other countries to settle in "the New World". Not that I care.LOL. That was too long ago.Her husband,my grandpa, was from Wales. ( that is a country on the west side of England)My other grandparents were from Norway and Sweden.I doubt that there are any exotic or unusual people in my background.

 But you know, when you apply for anything they do ask you to indicate your nationality, race,etc.don't they? I am definitely Caucasian. She might be American Indian. why not?

So, if I pour a bottle of pop into a pond, it would be pretty much pop then, and safe to drink??  No, I don't think so.

sweet-a-kins
by Ruby Member on May. 3, 2012 at 11:56 PM
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If she was raised being taught she was native American...and her great (3) grandmom was full blooded Cherokee....according to America she is a NA ..at least in the time she was coming up..remember the 1 drop rule?

Makes me no difference. Tiger Woods once listed his race as Asian in college..nothing else, was he right or wrong? Neither...he self identified as one of his heritages..

Not really a big deal to me


Quoting 29again:


Quoting lga1965:

 My Grandma's ancestors came over on The Mayflower ---she was a member of the DAR (Daughters of the Revolution) and I guess that is "special".So, I am theoretically a descendant of the original people who came from England and other countries to settle in "the New World". Not that I care.LOL. That was too long ago.Her husband,my grandpa, was from Wales. ( that is a country on the west side of England)My other grandparents were from Norway and Sweden.I doubt that there are any exotic or unusual people in my background.


 But you know, when you apply for anything they do ask you to indicate your nationality, race,etc.don't they? I am definitely Caucasian. She might be American Indian. why not?

So, if I pour a bottle of pop into a pond, it would be pretty much pop then, and safe to drink??  No, I don't think so.

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29again
by Gold Member on May. 4, 2012 at 12:06 AM

In that case, I am French Royalty.  What does that get me? 

Quoting sweet-a-kins:

If she was raised being taught she was native American...and her great (3) grandmom was full blooded Cherokee....according to America she is a NA ..at least in the time she was coming up..remember the 1 drop rule?

Makes me no difference. Tiger Woods once listed his race as Asian in college..nothing else, was he right or wrong? Neither...he self identified as one of his heritages..

Not really a big deal to me


Quoting 29again:


Quoting lga1965:

 My Grandma's ancestors came over on The Mayflower ---she was a member of the DAR (Daughters of the Revolution) and I guess that is "special".So, I am theoretically a descendant of the original people who came from England and other countries to settle in "the New World". Not that I care.LOL. That was too long ago.Her husband,my grandpa, was from Wales. ( that is a country on the west side of England)My other grandparents were from Norway and Sweden.I doubt that there are any exotic or unusual people in my background.


 But you know, when you apply for anything they do ask you to indicate your nationality, race,etc.don't they? I am definitely Caucasian. She might be American Indian. why not?

So, if I pour a bottle of pop into a pond, it would be pretty much pop then, and safe to drink??  No, I don't think so.


Citygirlk
by on May. 4, 2012 at 12:41 AM
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My grandfathers mother on my moms side was from venezuela his father was a native to the island of saint lucia going even futher back most of my family is orgonally from wales and others from france ethoipa and japan my blood line is so mixed up its crazy and if you ever saw me you can clearly see the asian, white, and indian in me. I guess you can call my family exotic lol.
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sweet-a-kins
by Ruby Member on May. 4, 2012 at 6:22 AM
Nothing
But by all means, tell everyone ...


Quoting 29again:

In that case, I am French Royalty.  What does that get me? 

Quoting sweet-a-kins:

If she was raised being taught she was native American...and her great (3) grandmom was full blooded Cherokee....according to America she is a NA ..at least in the time she was coming up..remember the 1 drop rule?



Makes me no difference. Tiger Woods once listed his race as Asian in college..nothing else, was he right or wrong? Neither...he self identified as one of his heritages..



Not really a big deal to me




Quoting 29again:


Quoting lga1965:

 My Grandma's ancestors came over on The Mayflower ---she was a member of the DAR (Daughters of the Revolution) and I guess that is "special".So, I am theoretically a descendant of the original people who came from England and other countries to settle in "the New World". Not that I care.LOL. That was too long ago.Her husband,my grandpa, was from Wales. ( that is a country on the west side of England)My other grandparents were from Norway and Sweden.I doubt that there are any exotic or unusual people in my background.



 But you know, when you apply for anything they do ask you to indicate your nationality, race,etc.don't they? I am definitely Caucasian. She might be American Indian. why not?

So, if I pour a bottle of pop into a pond, it would be pretty much pop then, and safe to drink??  No, I don't think so.


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matreshka
by Gold Member on May. 4, 2012 at 7:02 AM
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"blood quantum" for Native Americans is especially hard to prove.  It is one of the problems with those seeking tribal membership or entire tribes seeking recognition.  This is something I worked on in my Anthro classes.

I hope this issue isn't something htat is going to affect her campaign.

rccmom
by Gold Member on May. 4, 2012 at 8:45 AM

I am blond haired, blue eyed, and part Cherokee also. I believe on my dad's side. Anyway, my niece wanted to see if she could use the heritage for college money eligibility. From what I understood, not only did she have to go back and research which relative was Cherokee, and so determine exactly how much Cherokee she was, 1/5 or whatever, that was not enough. She would then have to apply and be accepted into a Federally recognized tribe. She gave up on doing all the paperwork, and got a student loan.

Still we actually are part Cherokee, and I see nothing wrong with Elizabeth Warren claiming to be part Cherokee. She probably is. 

rocketracer
by Gold Member on May. 4, 2012 at 9:30 AM

Does Elizabeth Warren have high cheekbones like all of the Indians do?  At least according to her aunt all Indians have high cheekbones.

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