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Oh you feel persecuted as an American Christian?

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by on May. 4, 2012 at 2:03 PM
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erika9009
by Silver Member on May. 4, 2012 at 6:14 PM

He is pro gay marriage which is fine.  It's just his attitude about it.

He said,

"It's going to happen, whether you like it or not."

I misquoted it earlier in my post.  I have since corrected it.

Quoting lga1965:

 He is pro-gay marriage, right? Exactly what did he say that inspires you to say he was "ramming gay marriage down your throat" ? Wow. Isn't there another way to say that?

Quoting erika9009:

I used it because that is how I felt when I heard Gavin Newsom's speech back when the gay marriage debate started up.

It maybe over used now, but I still feel that way.

Quoting lga1965:

 Why do people use that "ramming it down our throats" comment? Its really old and passe and overused and really kind of icky and pornographic. Christians use that all the time.....its disgusting.

SO, if you want gays to stay out of your church, it sounds like you don't approve of people being born gay and lesbian then,right?  I thought God made all of us on earth in his image---think about it.And God wouldn't hate any of his children. We are all God's children,right?


 


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by Platinum Member on May. 4, 2012 at 6:17 PM
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Quoting erika9009:

He is pro gay marriage which is fine.  It's just his attitude about it.

He said,

"It's going to happen, whether you like it or not."

I misquoted it earlier in my post.  I have since corrected it.

Quoting lga1965:

 He is pro-gay marriage, right? Exactly what did he say that inspires you to say he was "ramming gay marriage down your throat" ? Wow. Isn't there another way to say that?

Quoting erika9009:

I used it because that is how I felt when I heard Gavin Newsom's speech back when the gay marriage debate started up.

It maybe over used now, but I still feel that way.

Quoting lga1965:

 Why do people use that "ramming it down our throats" comment? Its really old and passe and overused and really kind of icky and pornographic. Christians use that all the time.....its disgusting.

SO, if you want gays to stay out of your church, it sounds like you don't approve of people being born gay and lesbian then,right?  I thought God made all of us on earth in his image---think about it.And God wouldn't hate any of his children. We are all God's children,right?


 


No different that interracial marriage or women voting. I get what you are saying but he's right.


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imagirlgeek
by Bronze Member on May. 4, 2012 at 6:28 PM
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I'm really just wondering when people will realize what this is really about.  This isn't about whether a few Christians don't like it...although it's a lot easier on the lawmakers if everyone jumps on that bandwagon because then you are all busy pointing fingers at each other instead of demanding they stop running our lives for us.

Think about it.  There are thousands of statutes that have to do with the payout of benefits contingient on marital status.  Thousands.  And those are just the federal ones.  Seriously, we're talking about pensions, estates, food stamps, social security benefits, loans, income taxes, immigration...too many to list...here's a list of the categories the GAO used when they created a report after Clinton passed DOMA.

Social Security and Related Programs, Housing, and Food Stamps

Veterans' Benefits

Taxation

Federal Civilian and Military Service Benefits

Employment Benefits and Related Laws

Immigration, Naturalization, and Aliens

Indians

Trade, Commerce, and Intellectual Property

Financial Disclosure and Conflict of Interest

Crimes and Family Violence

Loans, Guarantees, and Payments in Agriculture

Federal Natural Resources and Related Laws

Miscellaneous Laws

Who knows how many there are if you include state and local governments.  

I mean, seriously, if I can go down to the JP and get married in a few minutes, what does that even have to do with the church??  The church doesn't have to like it for the government to legislate it.  Um...abortion?  

I'm just sayin'...if you invite the government in to take care of everything, they will take care of EVERYTHING.  We can't all be free to do as we choose, when we choose, with whom we choose if we keep telling the idiots on capital hill to make more rules about what we can do, and what they will give us.

Source of the GAO report for anyone interested in the full list:

1997 - original report

2004 - updated to include new statutes

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You don't have to be judgmental and be like "Oh, he's using his freedom the wrong way!  I want him to use his freedom the way I use my freedom!"  You can't do that. You have to be tolerant.  People say "Oh no, you can't be tolerant. What if they do something you don't like?" Tolerance does not mean endorsement.  -- Ron Paul
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by on May. 4, 2012 at 6:34 PM

 I see that phrase used about religion too....implying that Christians push their beliefs.

I think it's icky too. We don't need that visual.

Quoting lga1965:

 Why do people use that "ramming it down our throats" comment? Its really old and passe and overused and really kind of icky and pornographic. Christians use that all the time.....its disgusting.

SO, if you want gays to stay out of your church, it sounds like you don't approve of people being born gay and lesbian then,right?  I thought God made all of us on earth in his image---think about it.And God wouldn't hate any of his children. We are all God's children,right?

 

teamwhitlow
by on May. 4, 2012 at 6:36 PM
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I personally left my church for this very reason...I have nothing against gay people although in God's eyes it's a sin. I refuse to be a political pawn for the church's cause though. If they did a better job of loving and helping broken people get help and be well there would be less gay people in the world. I will give everyone my tolerance and respect. But I also speak the truth in love. I really don't mind being persecuted for Christ's sake and for righteosness sake. It's part of the territory.

teamwhitlow
by on May. 4, 2012 at 6:39 PM

and people were not born gay any more than we were all fishies with fins and crawled out of the ocean and slowing evolved into people.

sweet-a-kins
by Ruby Member on May. 4, 2012 at 6:40 PM
They can change their religious back to Holy Matrimony

My marriage is the same

I don't feel it should be compromised..it feels like separate but (not) equal...KWIM?


Quoting shimamab:

Just for compromise sake, I guess. It doesn't bother me either way. If more things had a secular, civil term separate from any religious terminology, I'd be happy. Peeps can get their spiritually ordained titles, education, and unions from whatever religion they follow.



Quoting sweet-a-kins:

 Why change to suit the bigots?



Marriage as recognized by the government now has nothing to do with religion. you can choose to include your religion, or not.



I was married by a JOP..I am the same amount of married as someone that had a huge chruch wedding....we both are recognized as being legally married because of the marrigae license, nothing to do with any religious ceremony



 



Quoting shimamab:

Maybe the answer is to call all "marriages", gay or straight, civil unions. They'll be recognized as legal and carry all the pros and cons of what we currently call marriage. Then you can become "married" and bound before whatever god(s) you worship or not. Then we will all have equal civil rights and spiritual recognition appropriate to our beliefs.


 

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teamwhitlow
by on May. 4, 2012 at 6:42 PM

and a final thought I totally agree that the church doesn't have the right to legislate morality. If gay people choose to stay that way and want to co-habitate and pretend to be married then they should be allowed to make those choices. Although if the church started allowing gay marriages I would never step foot in it. It is in the Bible that homosexuals will not enter the kingdom of God. So in closing gay people stay out of our churches and we should stay out of your choices and allow you to excercise your free will.

Artistwantobe
by on May. 4, 2012 at 6:43 PM
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Committed gay couples should have some sort of legal union. This would give them legal rights of survivorship, and other spousal rights. But the word marriage is a man and a woman. They need to come up with another term and it can probably get passed with no problem. call it a union, a commitment, or some other name.
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by Johnson 2012 on May. 4, 2012 at 6:45 PM
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Make both sides happy - abolish the marriage license.

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