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Oh you feel persecuted as an American Christian?

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by on May. 4, 2012 at 2:03 PM
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shimamab
by on May. 4, 2012 at 6:46 PM
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I feel ya! The phrasing doesn't matter to me in a big way, but the symbolism would seem diminished to many.

Quoting sweet-a-kins:

They can change their religious back to Holy Matrimony



My marriage is the same



I don't feel it should be compromised..it feels like separate but (not) equal...KWIM?




Quoting shimamab:

Just for compromise sake, I guess. It doesn't bother me either way. If more things had a secular, civil term separate from any religious terminology, I'd be happy. Peeps can get their spiritually ordained titles, education, and unions from whatever religion they follow.





Quoting sweet-a-kins:

 Why change to suit the bigots?




Marriage as recognized by the government now has nothing to do with religion. you can choose to include your religion, or not.




I was married by a JOP..I am the same amount of married as someone that had a huge chruch wedding....we both are recognized as being legally married because of the marrigae license, nothing to do with any religious ceremony




 




Quoting shimamab:

Maybe the answer is to call all "marriages", gay or straight, civil unions. They'll be recognized as legal and carry all the pros and cons of what we currently call marriage. Then you can become "married" and bound before whatever god(s) you worship or not. Then we will all have equal civil rights and spiritual recognition appropriate to our beliefs.



 

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sweet-a-kins
by Ruby Member on May. 4, 2012 at 7:19 PM
Not a damn thing wrong with it

The bigots should be embarrassed by their attitudes


Quoting erika9009:

He is pro gay marriage which is fine.  It's just his attitude about it.

He said,

"It's going to happen, whether you like it or not."

I misquoted it earlier in my post.  I have since corrected it.


Quoting lga1965:

 He is pro-gay marriage, right? Exactly what did he say that inspires you to say he was "ramming gay marriage down your throat" ? Wow. Isn't there another way to say that?


Quoting erika9009:


I used it because that is how I felt when I heard Gavin Newsom's speech back when the gay marriage debate started up.


It maybe over used now, but I still feel that way.


Quoting lga1965:


 Why do people use that "ramming it down our throats" comment? Its really old and passe and overused and really kind of icky and pornographic. Christians use that all the time.....its disgusting.


SO, if you want gays to stay out of your church, it sounds like you don't approve of people being born gay and lesbian then,right?  I thought God made all of us on earth in his image---think about it.And God wouldn't hate any of his children. We are all God's children,right?




 


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_Kissy_
by on May. 4, 2012 at 8:24 PM
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paperorplastic
by Silver Member on May. 5, 2012 at 1:05 PM
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 Just an F.Y.I., just because Dr. Paul believes a marriage is between a man and a woman, he wants to leave it up to the individual states:)  Just like our constitution mandates, but not many seem to understand.  Big government for too long has caused to many problems. 

Quoting sweet-a-kins:

 You rparty is all about that...you support the party, you support their platform

Quoting rachelrothchild:

Not all of us are for banning gay marriage.  It needs to stay out of my church tho.

 

 

paperorplastic
by Silver Member on May. 5, 2012 at 1:21 PM
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 I don't feel persecuted at all.  Jesus was persecuted for me:) 

sweet-a-kins
by Ruby Member on May. 5, 2012 at 1:48 PM
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The states have no right to restrict personal freedoms

That's like saying if Texas decides blondes can't get married, that's acceptable

Or MI saying interracial couples cannot get married

The state government has no standing


Quoting paperorplastic:

 Just an F.Y.I., just because Dr. Paul believes a marriage is between a man and a woman, he wants to leave it up to the individual states:)  Just like our constitution mandates, but not many seem to understand.  Big government for too long has caused to many problems. 


Quoting sweet-a-kins:


 You rparty is all about that...you support the party, you support their platform


Quoting rachelrothchild:


Not all of us are for banning gay marriage.  It needs to stay out of my church tho.


 


 

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Friday
by Platinum Member on May. 5, 2012 at 2:17 PM
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Quoting paperorplastic:

 Just an F.Y.I., just because Dr. Paul believes a marriage is between a man and a woman, he wants to leave it up to the individual states:)  Just like our constitution mandates, but not many seem to understand.  Big government for too long has caused to many problems. 

Quoting sweet-a-kins:

 You rparty is all about that...you support the party, you support their platform

Quoting rachelrothchild:

Not all of us are for banning gay marriage.  It needs to stay out of my church tho.

 

 

I have a problem with civil rights being up to the states, or for a vote at all, ever.


H.R.H. Friday of MaryJane

GaleJ
by Member on May. 5, 2012 at 3:15 PM
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Okay PREPARE FOR SARCASM HERE...Yes because women and blacks and every other minority that has had to stand up to the authority and the majority and the power to secure their rights did so calmly, politely and in a low-key manner and it worked and they got all that they deserved and more, the LGBTQ community should not, as so many complained, ram it down your throats. Seriously ladies those that identify as LGBTQ have every right to forcefully, within the bounds of laws and legal ethics, demand the rights to which every human is entitled. Furthermore they should not be expected to have to shield you from the fact that they are consenting adults who may be expected to be involved with other consenting adults. That their kissing or other public displays of affection bother you really is your problem and not theirs.

sweet-a-kins
by Ruby Member on May. 5, 2012 at 3:20 PM
That kissing a loved one is public is deemed aggressive and shoving an agenda down peoples throats

Is sad commentary on how people view gay people

Sometimes people in love Kiss in public...and it has nothing to do with anyone else
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imagirlgeek
by Bronze Member on May. 5, 2012 at 4:01 PM


Quoting Friday:


Quoting paperorplastic:

 Just an F.Y.I., just because Dr. Paul believes a marriage is between a man and a woman, he wants to leave it up to the individual states:)  Just like our constitution mandates, but not many seem to understand.  Big government for too long has caused to many problems. 

Quoting sweet-a-kins:

 You rparty is all about that...you support the party, you support their platform

Quoting rachelrothchild:

Not all of us are for banning gay marriage.  It needs to stay out of my church tho.

 

 

I have a problem with civil rights being up to the states, or for a vote at all, ever.

I agree 100%,  It shouldn't be up to the government to determine who we are and how we behave, as long as it does not interfere on anyone else's personal freedoms.  Just for the record, the Libertarian Party believes that the government has no right to license and/or regulate personal relationships.

Sexual orientation, preference, gender, or gender identity should have no impact on the government's treatment of individuals, such as in current marriage, child custody, adoption, immigration or military service laws. Government does not have the authority to define, license or restrict personal relationships. Consenting adults should be free to choose their own sexual practices and personal relationships.

IMO, the federal government has been allowed to grow too large and wield too much power and control.  There is a lot of money tied up in the federal government's definition of marriage.  We've got to stop looking to them to give us stuff and then it would be much easier to just be who we are.

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You don't have to be judgmental and be like "Oh, he's using his freedom the wrong way!  I want him to use his freedom the way I use my freedom!"  You can't do that. You have to be tolerant.  People say "Oh no, you can't be tolerant. What if they do something you don't like?" Tolerance does not mean endorsement.  -- Ron Paul
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