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President Obama declares support for Gay Marriage!

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President Obama today announced that he now supports same-sex marriage, reversing his longstanding opposition amid growing pressure from the Democratic base and even his own vice president.

In an interview with ABC News' Robin Roberts, the president described his thought process as an "evolution" that led him to this place, based on conversations with his own staff members, openly gay and lesbian service members, and conversations with his wife and own daughters.

"I have to tell you that over the course of several years as I have talked to friends and family and neighbors when I think about members of my own staff who are in incredibly committed monogamous relationships, same-sex relationships, who are raising kids together, when I think about those soldiers or airmen or marines or sailors who are out there fighting on my behalf and yet feel constrained, even now that Don't Ask Don't Tell is gone, because they are not able to commit themselves in a marriage, at a certain point I've just concluded that for me personally it is important for me to go ahead and affirm that I think same sex couples should be able to get married," Obama told Roberts, in an interview to appear on ABC's "Good Morning America" Thursday. Excerpts of the interview will air tonight on ABC's "World News with Diane Sawyer."

The president stressed that this is a personal position, and that he still supports the concept of states deciding the issue on their own. But he said he's confident that more Americans will grow comfortable with gays and lesbians getting married, citing his own daughters' comfort with the concept.

"It's interesting, some of this is also generational," the president continued. "You know when I go to college campuses, sometimes I talk to college Republicans who think that I have terrible policies on the economy, on foreign policy, but are very clear that when it comes to same sex equality or, you know,  believe in equality. They are much more comfortable with it. You know, Malia and Sasha, they have friends whose parents are same-sex couples. There have been times where Michelle and I have been sitting around the dinner table and we're talking about their friends and their parents and Malia and Sasha, it wouldn't dawn on them that somehow their friends' parents would be treated differently. It doesn't make sense to them and frankly, that's the kind of thing that prompts a change in perspective."

Roberts asked the president if First Lady Michelle Obama was involved in this decision. Obama said she was, and he talked specifically about his own faith in responding.

"This is something that, you know, we've talked about over the years and she, you know, she feels the same way, she feels the same way that I do. And that is that, in the end the values that I care most deeply about and she cares most deeply about is how we treat other people and, you know, I, you know, we are both practicing Christians and obviously this position may be considered to put us at odds with the views of others but, you know, when we think about our faith, the thing at root that we think about is, not only Christ sacrificing himself on our behalf, but it's also the Golden Rule, you know, treat others the way you would want to be treated. And I think that's what we try to impart to our kids and that's what motivates me as president and I figure the most consistent I can be in being true to those precepts, the better I'll be as a as a dad and a husband and hopefully the better I'll be as president."

Previously, Obama has moved in the direction of supporting same-sex marriage but has consistently stopped short of outright backing it. Instead, he's voiced support for civil unions for gay and lesbian couples that provide the rights and benefits enjoyed by married couples, though not defined as "marriage." At the same time, the president has opposed efforts to ban gay marriage at the state level, saying that he did not favor attempts to strip rights away from gay and lesbian couples.

The president's position became a flashpoint this week, when Vice President Joe Biden pronounced himself "absolutely comfortable" with allowing same-sex couples to wed.

Obama aides insisted there was no daylight between the positions held by the president and his vice president when it comes to legal rights, but as other prominent Democrats also weighed in in favor of gay marriage, the disconnect became difficult for the White House to explain away.

The announcement completes a turnabout for the president, who has opposed gay marriage throughout his career in national politics. In 1996, as a state Senate candidate, he indicated support for gay marriage in a questionnaire, but Obama aides later disavowed it and said it did not reflect the candidate's position.

In 2004, as a candidate for the US Senate, he cited his own religion in framing his views: "I'm a Christian. I do believe that tradition and my religious beliefs say that marriage is something sanctified between a man and a woman."

He maintained that position through his 2008 presidential campaign, and through his term as president, until today.

As president in 2010, Obama told ABC's Jake Tapper that his feelings about gay marriage were "constantly evolving. I struggle with this." A year later, the president told ABC's George Stephanopoulos, "I'm still working on it."

"I probably won't make news right now, George," Obama said in October 2011. "But I think that there's no doubt that as I see friends, families, children of gay couples who are thriving, you know, that has an impact on how I think about these issues."

Obama's decision has political connotations for the fall.

The issue divides elements of the Democratic base, with liberals and gay-rights groups eager to see the president go farther, but with gay marriage far less popular among African-American voters.

Just yesterday, in North Carolina, voters overwhelmingly approved a constitutional ban on gay marriage. President Obama carried North Carolina in 2008, and its status as a 2012 battleground was guaranteed by Democrats' decision to hold their convention in Charlotte this summer.

Obama's likely Republican opponent, Mitt Romney, opposes gay marriage, and fought his state's highest court when Massachusetts became the first state to legalize gay marriage in 2004, when Romney was governor. Romney said on the campaign trail Monday that he continues to oppose gay marriage.

"My view is that marriage is a relationship between a man and a woman," Romney said. "That's the position I've had for some time, and I don't intend to make any adjustments at this point. ... Or ever, by the way."

by on May. 9, 2012 at 3:04 PM
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asfriend
by on May. 11, 2012 at 4:45 PM
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Quoting PamR:


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I responded Pam. Obama changes his opinion multiple times. Why is this difficult for you to understand in comparison to Romney?

That's not what I asked.  I asked if Romney's change in his stance on legalized abortion was a sincere change of heart or a political move.  Why is it so difficult for you to give a straightforward answer to a question?

Apparently, Mitt has also changed his mind multiple times:

'It was not my desire to go off and serve in Vietnam.'
'I longed in many respects to actually be in Vietnam and be representing our country there.'

'I'm not trying to return to Reagan-Bush.'
'Ronald Reagan is... my hero.'

'I think the minimum wage ought to keep pace with inflation.'
'There's no question raising the minimum wage excessively causes a loss of jobs.' 

Roe v. Wade has gone too far.'
'I believe that since Roe v. Wade has been the law for 20 years we should sustain and support it

'I like mandates. The mandates work.' 
'I think it's unconstitutional on the 10th Amendment front.'

'I will work and fight for stem cell research.' 
'In the end, I became persuaded that the stem-cell debate was grounded in a false premise.'

'I respect and will protect a woman's right to choose.'
'I never really called myself pro-choice.' 


Mitt Romney - not a Facist.  Winner.

PamR
by Gold Member on May. 11, 2012 at 5:08 PM


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Mitt Romney - not a Facist.  Winner.

Fascist?  Ok, I'll bite.  How so?
sweet-a-kins
by Ruby Member on May. 11, 2012 at 5:13 PM

 I'm not intolerent of others beliefs in general. I am specifically opposed to people that protect pedophiles, and in this case people that openly admit wanting their own bigotry to be LAW.

Funny you don't hold YOURSELF to that same definition

Quoting imamomzilla:

 

Bigot Meaning and Definition

  1. (a.) Bigoted.
  2. (n.) A hypocrite; esp., a superstitious hypocrite.
  3. (n.) A person who regards his own faith and views in matters of religion as unquestionably right, and any belief or opinion opposed to or differing from them as unreasonable or wicked. In an extended sense, a person who is intolerant of opinions which conflict with his own, as in politics or morals; one obstinately and blindly devoted to his own church, party, belief, or opinion.
Quoting sweet-a-kins:

 The Catholic League's Bill Donohue openly stated in a conversation with CNN’s Piers Morgan that he wanted the law to discriminate against gays

^^ That one, the same one that wants to be able to legally discriminate and oppress. The same Church that protected child predators and still does. The same church that saw the PRIESTS and the VATICAN send a nasty letter to some NUNS of the same faith telling them to STOP focusing on children and POVERTY and more on abortion and gay marriage.....

The MAN that was SPEAKING for that faith is disgusting and SO IS THE CHURCH behind it. I saw it UP CLOSE and PERSONAL for YEARS

Quoting imamomzilla:

 What "disgusting" faith?

Quoting sweet-a-kins:

 

Quoting blondekosmic15:

 

Quoting sweet-a-kins:

 One party is now solidly in the fight for equality

they other is publicly in the fight for discrimination

http://www.addictinginfo.org/
The Catholic League's Bill Donohue openly stated in a conversation with CNN’s Piers Morgan that he wanted the law to discriminate against gays.

Sadly you do NOT comprehend the difference between discrimination and defending the Church's moral teachings~

Addictinginfo....!?!?

 Sadly you want your religious bigotry to be legal...this man wants the LAW to allow discrimination in accordance with HIS disgusting faith

Unconstitutional ...and goes against all of Jesus' teachings

 

 

 

 

Meadowchik
by Gold Member on May. 14, 2012 at 3:58 AM
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And, btw, many, many, Christians who favor gay marriage use a religious argument.  Some believe that the only way to interpret the New Testament is to conclude that "love the neighbor" means "support same-sex marriage" rather than be against it, and refuse to believe any other viewpoint that fails to support ssm. That falls under the definition for bigot, number 3.


Quoting imamomzilla:

 

Bigot Meaning and Definition

  1. (a.) Bigoted.
  2. (n.) A hypocrite; esp., a superstitious hypocrite.
  3. (n.) A person who regards his own faith and views in matters of religion as unquestionably right, and any belief or opinion opposed to or differing from them as unreasonable or wicked. In an extended sense, a person who is intolerant of opinions which conflict with his own, as in politics or morals; one obstinately and blindly devoted to his own church, party, belief, or opinion.
Quoting sweet-a-kins:

 The Catholic League's Bill Donohue openly stated in a conversation with CNN’s Piers Morgan that he wanted the law to discriminate against gays

^^ That one, the same one that wants to be able to legally discriminate and oppress. The same Church that protected child predators and still does. The same church that saw the PRIESTS and the VATICAN send a nasty letter to some NUNS of the same faith telling them to STOP focusing on children and POVERTY and more on abortion and gay marriage.....

The MAN that was SPEAKING for that faith is disgusting and SO IS THE CHURCH behind it. I saw it UP CLOSE and PERSONAL for YEARS

Quoting imamomzilla:

 What "disgusting" faith?

Quoting sweet-a-kins:

 

Quoting blondekosmic15:

 

Quoting sweet-a-kins:

 One party is now solidly in the fight for equality

they other is publicly in the fight for discrimination

http://www.addictinginfo.org/
The Catholic League's Bill Donohue openly stated in a conversation with CNN’s Piers Morgan that he wanted the law to discriminate against gays.

Sadly you do NOT comprehend the difference between discrimination and defending the Church's moral teachings~

Addictinginfo....!?!?

 Sadly you want your religious bigotry to be legal...this man wants the LAW to allow discrimination in accordance with HIS disgusting faith

Unconstitutional ...and goes against all of Jesus' teachings

 

 

 


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blondekosmic15
by Blonde on May. 14, 2012 at 11:17 AM
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Quoting sweet-a-kins:

 

Quoting blondekosmic15:

 

Quoting sweet-a-kins:

 One party is now solidly in the fight for equality

they other is publicly in the fight for discrimination

http://www.addictinginfo.org/
The Catholic League's Bill Donohue openly stated in a conversation with CNN’s Piers Morgan that he wanted the law to discriminate against gays.

Sadly you do NOT comprehend the difference between discrimination and defending the Church's moral teachings~

Addictinginfo....!?!?

 Sadly you want your religious bigotry to be legal...this man wants the LAW to allow discrimination in accordance with HIS disgusting faith

Unconstitutional ...and goes against all of Jesus' teachings

So John the Baptist was a bigot for defending the moral teachings against adultery? Not according to Jesus. John is greater than any man on earth @ that time in history with the exception of Jesus~

blondekosmic15
by Blonde on May. 14, 2012 at 11:20 AM
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Quoting sweet-a-kins:

 I'm not intolerent of others beliefs in general. I am specifically opposed to people that protect pedophiles, and in this case people that openly admit wanting their own bigotry to be LAW.

Funny you don't hold YOURSELF to that same definition

Keep listening to the secular news and you will always be on the side of error. Your hypocrisy is shouting from the rooftops!

Quoting imamomzilla:

 

Bigot Meaning and Definition

  1. (a.) Bigoted.
  2. (n.) A hypocrite; esp., a superstitious hypocrite.
  3. (n.) A person who regards his own faith and views in matters of religion as unquestionably right, and any belief or opinion opposed to or differing from them as unreasonable or wicked. In an extended sense, a person who is intolerant of opinions which conflict with his own, as in politics or morals; one obstinately and blindly devoted to his own church, party, belief, or opinion.
Quoting sweet-a-kins:

 The Catholic League's Bill Donohue openly stated in a conversation with CNN’s Piers Morgan that he wanted the law to discriminate against gays

^^ That one, the same one that wants to be able to legally discriminate and oppress. The same Church that protected child predators and still does. The same church that saw the PRIESTS and the VATICAN send a nasty letter to some NUNS of the same faith telling them to STOP focusing on children and POVERTY and more on abortion and gay marriage.....

The MAN that was SPEAKING for that faith is disgusting and SO IS THE CHURCH behind it. I saw it UP CLOSE and PERSONAL for YEARS

Quoting imamomzilla:

 What "disgusting" faith?

Quoting sweet-a-kins:

 

Quoting blondekosmic15:

 

Quoting sweet-a-kins:

 One party is now solidly in the fight for equality

they other is publicly in the fight for discrimination

http://www.addictinginfo.org/
The Catholic League's Bill Donohue openly stated in a conversation with CNN’s Piers Morgan that he wanted the law to discriminate against gays.

Sadly you do NOT comprehend the difference between discrimination and defending the Church's moral teachings~

Addictinginfo....!?!?

 Sadly you want your religious bigotry to be legal...this man wants the LAW to allow discrimination in accordance with HIS disgusting faith

Unconstitutional ...and goes against all of Jesus' teachings

 

 

 

 

 

imamomzilla
by on May. 14, 2012 at 11:39 AM
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 I think it unanimous that pedophilia is disgusting and wrong and the offenders should be punished to the fullest extent of the law. That includes the sexual abuse occuring in public schools...because that problem is more common. Perhaps you should focus on that ...?

“Sexual abuse of students in schools is likely more than 100 times the abuse by priests”

That conclusion drawn from a study commissioned by the U.S. Department of Education

Titled, “Educator Sexual Misconduct: A Synthesis of Existing Literature,” the report says the mistreatment of students ranges from sexual comments to rape.

In fact, says the studies author, Carol Shakeshaft, professor of educational administration at Hofstra University, in Hempstead, New York, the scope of the school sex problem appears to far exceed the clergy abuse scandal that has rocked the Roman Catholic Church.

Comparing the incidence of sexual misconduct in schools with the Catholic Church scandal, Shakeshift notes that a study by the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops concluded that 10,667 young people were sexually mistreated by priests between 1950 and 2002.

In contrast, the extrapolates from a national survey conducted for the American Association of University Women Educational Foundation in 2000 that roughly 290,000 students experienced some sort of physical sexual abuse by a public school employee between 1991 and 2000.

The figures suggest “the physical sexual abuse of students in schools is likely more than 100 times the abuse by priests,” said Shakshaft, according to Education Week.

Indeed, more than 4.5 million students are subject to sexual misconduct by an employee of a school sometime between kindergarden and 12th grade, says the report.

SAK, you are intolerant of anyone who doesn't share your narrow world views on politics, religion, social issues, etc. Having those views makes one a bigot....but the way in which you sometimes express those views make you (generally speaking) a hypocrite....which is worse, imo.

Quoting sweet-a-kins:

 I'm not intolerent of others beliefs in general. I am specifically opposed to people that protect pedophiles, and in this case people that openly admit wanting their own bigotry to be LAW.

Funny you don't hold YOURSELF to that same definition

Quoting imamomzilla:

 

Bigot Meaning and Definition

  1. (a.) Bigoted.
  2. (n.) A hypocrite; esp., a superstitious hypocrite.
  3. (n.) A person who regards his own faith and views in matters of religion as unquestionably right, and any belief or opinion opposed to or differing from them as unreasonable or wicked. In an extended sense, a person who is intolerant of opinions which conflict with his own, as in politics or morals; one obstinately and blindly devoted to his own church, party, belief, or opinion.
Quoting sweet-a-kins:

 The Catholic League's Bill Donohue openly stated in a conversation with CNN’s Piers Morgan that he wanted the law to discriminate against gays

^^ That one, the same one that wants to be able to legally discriminate and oppress. The same Church that protected child predators and still does. The same church that saw the PRIESTS and the VATICAN send a nasty letter to some NUNS of the same faith telling them to STOP focusing on children and POVERTY and more on abortion and gay marriage.....

The MAN that was SPEAKING for that faith is disgusting and SO IS THE CHURCH behind it. I saw it UP CLOSE and PERSONAL for YEARS

Quoting imamomzilla:

 What "disgusting" faith?

Quoting sweet-a-kins:

 

Quoting blondekosmic15:

 

Quoting sweet-a-kins:

 One party is now solidly in the fight for equality

they other is publicly in the fight for discrimination

http://www.addictinginfo.org/
The Catholic League's Bill Donohue openly stated in a conversation with CNN’s Piers Morgan that he wanted the law to discriminate against gays.

Sadly you do NOT comprehend the difference between discrimination and defending the Church's moral teachings~

Addictinginfo....!?!?

 Sadly you want your religious bigotry to be legal...this man wants the LAW to allow discrimination in accordance with HIS disgusting faith

Unconstitutional ...and goes against all of Jesus' teachings

 

 

 

 

 

sweet-a-kins
by Ruby Member on May. 14, 2012 at 11:48 AM

 I know that you ALWAYS miss the point, not sure if its purposeful or not...however I will try to explain ONCE more that it isn't the priests that I take issue with but the church's ROLE in it. BECAUSE of the WORD of the CHURCH pedophiles were protected from prosectution and given MORE kids to molest, rape and abuse.

They didn't care about the VICTIMS, they didn't offer them help and in many cases NEVER told the families even AFTER they KNEW of incidents that hadn't come out...instead they took monsters and gave them access to NEW victims and protected the CRIMINALS every step of the way.

What type of org. does that? The Catholic Church , thats who...

Quoting imamomzilla:

 I think it unanimous that pedophilia is disgusting and wrong and the offenders should be punished to the fullest extent of the law. That includes the sexual abuse occuring in public schools...because that problem is more common. Perhaps you should focus on that ...?

“Sexual abuse of students in schools is likely more than 100 times the abuse by priests”

That conclusion drawn from a study commissioned by the U.S. Department of Education

Titled, “Educator Sexual Misconduct: A Synthesis of Existing Literature,” the report says the mistreatment of students ranges from sexual comments to rape.

In fact, says the studies author, Carol Shakeshaft, professor of educational administration at Hofstra University, in Hempstead, New York, the scope of the school sex problem appears to far exceed the clergy abuse scandal that has rocked the Roman Catholic Church.

Comparing the incidence of sexual misconduct in schools with the Catholic Church scandal, Shakeshift notes that a study by the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops concluded that 10,667 young people were sexually mistreated by priests between 1950 and 2002.

In contrast, the extrapolates from a national survey conducted for the American Association of University Women Educational Foundation in 2000 that roughly 290,000 students experienced some sort of physical sexual abuse by a public school employee between 1991 and 2000.

The figures suggest “the physical sexual abuse of students in schools is likely more than 100 times the abuse by priests,” said Shakshaft, according to Education Week.

Indeed, more than 4.5 million students are subject to sexual misconduct by an employee of a school sometime between kindergarden and 12th grade, says the report.

SAK, you are intolerant of anyone who doesn't share your narrow world views on politics, religion, social issues, etc. Having those views makes one a bigot....but the way in which you sometimes express those views make you (generally speaking) a hypocrite....which is worse, imo.

Quoting sweet-a-kins:

 I'm not intolerent of others beliefs in general. I am specifically opposed to people that protect pedophiles, and in this case people that openly admit wanting their own bigotry to be LAW.

Funny you don't hold YOURSELF to that same definition

Quoting imamomzilla:

 

Bigot Meaning and Definition

  1. (a.) Bigoted.
  2. (n.) A hypocrite; esp., a superstitious hypocrite.
  3. (n.) A person who regards his own faith and views in matters of religion as unquestionably right, and any belief or opinion opposed to or differing from them as unreasonable or wicked. In an extended sense, a person who is intolerant of opinions which conflict with his own, as in politics or morals; one obstinately and blindly devoted to his own church, party, belief, or opinion.

 

imamomzilla
by on May. 14, 2012 at 11:56 AM

 Look, I understand your frustration. I personally know someone who was a victim and it breaks my heart when I think about it. :-(  What surprises me is that he holds no malice in his heart towards the perp. Forgiveness is a more powerful tool, I suppose.

What I'm saying is you can't paint the entire religion with such a broad brush.You use it as a weapon to demonize those you disagree with.

Did you even read the article I posted? What are your thoughts on those stats?

Quoting sweet-a-kins:

 I know that you ALWAYS miss the point, not sure if its purposeful or not...however I will try to explain ONCE more that it isn't the priests that I take issue with but the church's ROLE in it. BECAUSE of the WORD of the CHURCH pedophiles were protected from prosectution and given MORE kids to molest, rape and abuse.

They didn't care about the VICTIMS, they didn't offer them help and in many cases NEVER told the families even AFTER they KNEW of incidents that hadn't come out...instead they took monsters and gave them access to NEW victims and protected the CRIMINALS every step of the way.

What type of org. does that? The Catholic Church , thats who...

Quoting imamomzilla:

 I think it unanimous that pedophilia is disgusting and wrong and the offenders should be punished to the fullest extent of the law. That includes the sexual abuse occuring in public schools...because that problem is more common. Perhaps you should focus on that ...?

“Sexual abuse of students in schools is likely more than 100 times the abuse by priests”

That conclusion drawn from a study commissioned by the U.S. Department of Education

Titled, “Educator Sexual Misconduct: A Synthesis of Existing Literature,” the report says the mistreatment of students ranges from sexual comments to rape.

In fact, says the studies author, Carol Shakeshaft, professor of educational administration at Hofstra University, in Hempstead, New York, the scope of the school sex problem appears to far exceed the clergy abuse scandal that has rocked the Roman Catholic Church.

Comparing the incidence of sexual misconduct in schools with the Catholic Church scandal, Shakeshift notes that a study by the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops concluded that 10,667 young people were sexually mistreated by priests between 1950 and 2002.

In contrast, the extrapolates from a national survey conducted for the American Association of University Women Educational Foundation in 2000 that roughly 290,000 students experienced some sort of physical sexual abuse by a public school employee between 1991 and 2000.

The figures suggest “the physical sexual abuse of students in schools is likely more than 100 times the abuse by priests,” said Shakshaft, according to Education Week.

Indeed, more than 4.5 million students are subject to sexual misconduct by an employee of a school sometime between kindergarden and 12th grade, says the report.

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