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George Bush and Dick Cheney convicted of war crimes

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In the first verdict of its kind since former President George W. Bush left office, he and several members of his administration have been successfully convicted in absentia of war crimes in Malaysia.

Yes, this is a BFD.

This past Friday, a five panel tribunal delivered a unanimous guilty verdict after a week long trial that, unsurprisingly, was not covered by American media. The witnesses included several ex-Guantanamo detainees that gave testimony on the conditions and human rights violations that were systematically carried out under orders of the Bush administration.

Former President Bush, Former Vice-President Dick Cheney, Former Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld and the legal advisers Alberto Gonzales, David Addington, William Haynes, Jay Bybee and John Yoo that crafted the legal ‘justification’ for torture that basically said, ‘we can if we want to even if it’s illegal’ were the defendants. None were present, of course, but international war crime trials do not require the presence of the accused. The trial was run according to the standards set by the Nuremberg Trials to convict war criminals after World War II.

Professor Gurdial Singh Nijar, who headed the prosecution said, “The tribunal was very careful to adhere scrupulously to the regulations drawn up by the Nuremberg courts and the International Criminal Courts”.

The United States is subject to international law which makes this trial significant beyond the borders of Malaysia. Foreign Policy Journal reports:

President Lamin told a packed courtroom: “As a tribunal of conscience, the tribunal is fully aware that its verdict is merely declaratory in nature. The tribunal has no power of enforcement, no power to impose any custodial sentence on any one or more of the 8 convicted persons. What we can do, under Article 31 of Chapter VI of Part 2 of the Charter is to recommend to the Kuala Lumpur War Crimes Commission to submit this finding of conviction by the tribunal, together with a record of these proceedings, to the Chief Prosecutor of the International Criminal Court, as well as the United Nations and the Security Council.





“The Tribunal also recommends to the Kuala Lumpur War Crimes Commission that the names of all the 8 convicted persons be entered and included in the Commission’s Register of War Criminals and be publicized accordingly.

“The Tribunal recommends to the War Crimes Commission to give the widest international publicity to this conviction and grant of reparations, as these are universal crimes for which there is a responsibility upon nations to institute prosecutions if any of these Accused persons may enter their jurisdictions.”

The hope is that other countries will hold trials of their own and the guilty verdicts will mount up. This is not that outlandish an idea as Bush and Cheney have not only brazenly admitted they authorized torture in direct contravention of the Geneva Convention, but bragged about it. Nothing more helpful than having a criminal do all the heavy lifting for the prosecution. If enough of these verdicts are passed on to the international courts, they will have no choice but to hold a trial of their own. While Bush won’t be arrested on American soil, he’ll have a very difficult time leaving the country. Already he’s canceled a trip to Switzerland, due to possible charges of war crimes.

The best possible outcome is that the world court delivers a guilty verdict that sends a clear message to President Obama and his successors that the United States is not above the law, American Exceptional-ism be damned. It’s a lesson we’ve forgotten and need to relearn.

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by on May. 13, 2012 at 12:18 PM
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Citygirlk
by on May. 14, 2012 at 1:48 PM
Yeah they most likely did and im not against it at all cause it has been proven to work. I please no body give that basic human rights speech.

Quoting asfriend:

That is true. Also it is well known that when Obama scaled the wall, and strangled Bin Laden with his bare hands, stopping only to give serious thought to his position on gay marriage) that he used intell acquired through enhanced interrogation.


Quoting Citygirlk:

Hi lib here... Yes it still happens they might say that it doesnt but the goverment lies, and if you believe that it doesnt then im so sorry for you. No offence ofcourse.


Quoting shimamab:

Believing what? The article said it was for torture, right? So are you implying the torture still happens?




Quoting Carpy:

You just keep believing that.






Quoting shimamab:


Wouldn't apply to O since it was based on the torture used and he stopped that. Accidental casualties happen in war...which is why it should be an absolute last resort. 



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Citygirlk
by on May. 14, 2012 at 1:50 PM
Yeah you're right but I think that was only to shut some people up lol.

Quoting shimamab:

First off, saying you're "sorry" for me like I'm a kid finding out about Santa is offensive...even with the "no offense" added to it. I don't blindly believe what govt says, I was just trying to clarify what part of my post was being referred to. Our "official" position on torture has changed...so unless someone finds evidence of it, this admin wouldn't be brought up on charges. 

Quoting Citygirlk:

Hi lib here... Yes it still happens they might say that it doesnt but the goverment lies, and if you believe that it doesnt then im so sorry for you. No offence ofcourse.



Quoting shimamab:

Believing what? The article said it was for torture, right? So are you implying the torture still happens?





Quoting Carpy:

You just keep believing that.







Quoting shimamab:

Wouldn't apply to O since it was based on the torture used and he stopped that. Accidental casualties happen in war...which is why it should be an absolute last resort. 


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ThreeKidsEnough
by on May. 14, 2012 at 1:55 PM
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You said:

"Bush and Cheney have not only brazenly admitted they authorized torture in direct contravention of the Geneva Convention, but bragged about it." 

That's just BS. They did reason that, since there was no physcial harm to the people being questioned, waterboarding and similar tactics weren't torture.  I thnk it's close, but i can see their argument.  What I DO see is that there continues to be such an anti-Bush agenda is that some people in this country want revenge against him.  Wheter his tactics were right or not--and I do have some reservations about that--what he was doing was an effort to keep our country secure and prevent further terrorist attacks. Do yu really hate Bush enough that you wish him to be pursued all over the world?

By the way, I never heard of a court in Malaysia convicting Bin Laden or other terrorists of any war crime.

shimamab
by on May. 14, 2012 at 1:57 PM
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That's prob true...sadly. The things that go on in dark places would make most of us ill. 

Quoting Citygirlk:

Yeah you're right but I think that was only to shut some people up lol.

Quoting shimamab:

First off, saying you're "sorry" for me like I'm a kid finding out about Santa is offensive...even with the "no offense" added to it. I don't blindly believe what govt says, I was just trying to clarify what part of my post was being referred to. Our "official" position on torture has changed...so unless someone finds evidence of it, this admin wouldn't be brought up on charges. 

Quoting Citygirlk:

Hi lib here... Yes it still happens they might say that it doesnt but the goverment lies, and if you believe that it doesnt then im so sorry for you. No offence ofcourse.



Quoting shimamab:

Believing what? The article said it was for torture, right? So are you implying the torture still happens?





Quoting Carpy:

You just keep believing that.







Quoting shimamab:

Wouldn't apply to O since it was based on the torture used and he stopped that. Accidental casualties happen in war...which is why it should be an absolute last resort. 



gammie
by on May. 14, 2012 at 7:44 PM
Quoting ThreeKidsEnough:

You said:

"Bush and Cheney have not only
brazenly admitted they authorized torture in direct contravention of the
Geneva Convention, but bragged about it." 

That's just BS. They did reason that, since there was no physcial harm to the people being questioned, waterboarding and similar tactics weren't torture.  I thnk it's close, but i can see their argument.  What I DO see is that there continues to be such an anti-Bush agenda is that some people in this country want revenge against him.  Wheter his tactics were right or not--and I do have some reservations about that--what he was doing was an effort to keep our country secure and prevent further terrorist attacks. Do yu really hate Bush enough that you wish him to be pursued all over the world?

By the way, I never heard of a court in Malaysia convicting Bin Laden or other terrorists of any war crime.




first you do not understand when the BS started, you need to hit the history books. 1954 the CIA started the terrorism, not at home so I may have the dater wrong.

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Clairwil
by Platinum Member on May. 15, 2012 at 2:24 AM
Quoting ThreeKidsEnough:

Do you really hate Bush enough that you wish him to be pursued all over the world?

I hate Cheney that much.

The "I tortured people in order to defend my country" isn't a defence.

_Kissy_
by on May. 15, 2012 at 6:46 AM
Im against the death penalty but those 2 assholes need to fry
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numbr1wmn
by Nikki on May. 15, 2012 at 8:39 AM

You really don't understand the death penalty at all!

Quoting _Kissy_:

Im against the death penalty but those 2 assholes need to fry


Meadowchik
by Gold Member on May. 15, 2012 at 9:13 AM

Afghanistan was a retaliation to an attack.

.

"We Will Never Forget"



Quoting Citygirlk:

How is that a blame game what she said was true, bush was the one who started those wars.

Quoting rocketracer:



Quoting sweet-a-kins:


 He has kept one going and followed the withdraw timetable of the previous


As we are already there, what would you have him do? I do agree we shouldn't be there..but once we are there and committed and soldiers on the ground finding the SAFEST way to withdraw is key.


I am not sure, but after Bush and Cheney are convicted we can discuss this further


Quoting gammie:

Obama has kept the wars going and have killed alot of innocent people with his drones. Should he also be charged?

 


and the Bush blame game continues.


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Citygirlk
by on May. 15, 2012 at 9:29 AM
The guy you know osama he was a sudi prince why not attack them, and the entire country of afganastan had nothing do with it, it was a few extremist their goverment were not the ones who planned that attack. And what as bout iraq why did we go to war with them they had nothing to do with 911 and I dint want to hear crap about the so called "wmds".

Quoting Meadowchik:

Afghanistan was a retaliation to an attack.

.

"We Will Never Forget"



Quoting Citygirlk:

How is that a blame game what she said was true, bush was the one who started those wars.



Quoting rocketracer:




Quoting sweet-a-kins:



 He has kept one going and followed the withdraw timetable of the previous



As we are already there, what would you have him do? I do agree we shouldn't be there..but once we are there and committed and soldiers on the ground finding the SAFEST way to withdraw is key.



I am not sure, but after Bush and Cheney are convicted we can discuss this further



Quoting gammie:

Obama has kept the wars going and have killed alot of innocent people with his drones. Should he also be charged?


 



and the Bush blame game continues.


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