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Not about HIM, you won't

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Last Monday, a high school student in North Carolina engaged his social studies teacher in a heated debate about politics and the two leading presidential candidates. During the exchange, the teacher (an obvious Obama supporter) got very angry with the student and accused him of disrespecting the president. She even went so far as to tell the boy that he could be jailed for speaking ill of Obama.

Sarah Campbell of the Salisbury Post first reported on the story. She claims that the school district is not releasing the name of the teacher and that she is not responding to requests for public comment (although the two students identified her to the newspaper). According to Campbell’s story, the teacher will not be suspended or even face disciplinary action for what was heard on the recording. A statement from the school was released at the end of the week:

“The Rowan-Salisbury School System expects all students and employees to be respectful in the school environment and for all teachers to maintain their professionalism in the classroom. This incident should serve as an education for all teachers to stop and reflect on their interaction with students. Due to personnel and student confidentiality, we cannot discuss the matter publicly.”

So, how bad was the exchange? It got fairly heated, with the teacher shouting at times. The kerfuffle started after one student asked a question about the teacher’s  “fact of the day” that said Romney was a bully back in high school. A student asked:

“Didn’t Obama bully somebody, though?”

The teacher started to get angry and said:

“Not to my knowledge.”

A couple of students relayed the story about Obama admitting that he bullied someone when he was younger. And that seemed to light the fuse on his teacher’s anger. A couple of the students exchanged words with the angry teacher.

“Stop! Stop! Because there’s no comparison. He’s running for president. Obama is the president.”

As one student attempted to argue for a fair, two-sided debate on the history of the candidates, he was shouted down and talked over by the teacher. She continued:

“You got to realize, this man is wanting to be what Obama is. There’s no comparison.”

Once again, the students pressed for equal discussion of the histories of both men, with one saying:

“If you’re gonna talk trash about one side, you gotta talk trash about the other.”

The teacher just seemed to dig her heels in deeper and press her defense of Obama telling the defiant teen:

“You will not disrespect the president of the United States in this classroom.”

Again the student persisted and invoked his First Amendment right.

“I’ll say what I want.”

The still unidentified teacher read the student her rules…her Obama rules.

“Not about him, you won’t!”

The back and forth continued and the most strident of the two students reminded his teacher that President Bush was constantly treated to negative statements about him while he was in office:

“Whenever Bush was president, everybody talked sh-t about him.”

To which the teacher responded:

“Because he was sh-tty.”

The social studies educator went on for a full minute with more ranting, saying that people were arrested for saying derogatory things about President Bush. The student correctly reminded the teacher that opinions are protected, but you cannot be arrested unless you threaten the president.

Our research has not turned up a single case of anyone in America being arrested for speaking ill of former President Bush. The local newspaper story also mentioned that their discussions about the story with a political science professor could not recall the arrests that the teacher was speaking about.

Update:

We learned the name and the fate of the Social Studies teacher heard on the video posted below. Toyna Dixon-Neely is the woman heard yelling at students who dared to express negative opinions about President Obama. We also found out that Ms. Dixon-Neely’s outrageous statements may not have led to a strict punishment: the local newspaper is reporting that she has been suspended with pay. (Curiously the Huffington Post says that the teacher is on an unpaid suspension, pending the outcome of the investigation by the school board.)

The entire confrontation was recorded by a student and posted on YouTube. Listen below; slight content warning for language.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/n-c-teacher-tells-student-he-could-be-arrested-for-talking-badly-about-obama/

http://salisbury.wbtv.com/news/politics/73239-classroom-debate-over-obama-goes-viral

Could this be an example of why our education system is ranked so poorly?

by on May. 22, 2012 at 5:07 AM
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sarebear31976
by on May. 22, 2012 at 9:46 AM
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wow.  She is way out of line.  She should be fired.  For several reasons.  She has no control over her class, she is arguing with students, she uses bad language, she threatens her students,  and she is "teaching" things that are not true.  How can she call Bush "sh***y" and then tell a student she cannot allow anyone in her class to say things against any president past or current?  

sweet-a-kins
by Ruby Member on May. 22, 2012 at 9:54 AM

 Have someone read my comment to you...and explain it

Quoting numbr1wmn:

Why are you blaming Obama? He didn't tell this teacher to be an Idiot!

Quoting sweet-a-kins:

 A teacher said something stupid and this is news? election worthy?

mmmk

Guess Obama's doing a great job and you have nothing legitimate to complain about

 

 

numbr1wmn
by Nikki on May. 22, 2012 at 10:01 AM

Again why?

Quoting sweet-a-kins:

 Have someone read my comment to you...and explain it

Quoting numbr1wmn:

Why are you blaming Obama? He didn't tell this teacher to be an Idiot!

Quoting sweet-a-kins:

 A teacher said something stupid and this is news? election worthy?

mmmk

Guess Obama's doing a great job and you have nothing legitimate to complain about

 

 


sweet-a-kins
by Ruby Member on May. 22, 2012 at 10:02 AM

 Because you didn't understand the post based on YOUR response.

Quoting numbr1wmn:

Again why?

Quoting sweet-a-kins:

 Have someone read my comment to you...and explain it

Quoting numbr1wmn:

Why are you blaming Obama? He didn't tell this teacher to be an Idiot!

Quoting sweet-a-kins:

 A teacher said something stupid and this is news? election worthy?

mmmk

Guess Obama's doing a great job and you have nothing legitimate to complain about

 

 

 

 

numbr1wmn
by Nikki on May. 22, 2012 at 10:08 AM
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rolling on floor

Quoting sweet-a-kins:

 Because you didn't understand the post based on YOUR response.

Quoting numbr1wmn:

Again why?

Quoting sweet-a-kins:

 Have someone read my comment to you...and explain it

Quoting numbr1wmn:

Why are you blaming Obama? He didn't tell this teacher to be an Idiot!

Quoting sweet-a-kins:

 A teacher said something stupid and this is news? election worthy?

mmmk

Guess Obama's doing a great job and you have nothing legitimate to complain about

 

 

 

 


Jennyanne322
by Member on May. 22, 2012 at 10:13 AM
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I am dumb founded by how stupid this teacher sounds. How can she say well it's okay to bad mouth bush when he was president because he was a shitty president, but it's not okay to bad mouth Obama. You can not be arrested in the US for bad mouthing anyone. It's called freedom of speech. Unless you are threatening the life of the president that is a different story.
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rccmom
by Gold Member on May. 22, 2012 at 10:15 AM
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Trust me, it isn't just teachers with a liberal bias that abuse their students. This made the news most likely only because it was about Obama, but stuff like that goes on more often than probably most people think, and not just about politics. Some teachers get very touchy when you disagree with their conservative bias, their liberal bias, or their bias as to what that poem really means, and etc. I've had my son called an idiot for disagreeing over a movie, and chewed out for believing that hunting for sport is wrong.       

Quoting numbr1wmn:

It's not something stupid.  It is a teacher who is abusing her power to children because of her liberal bias.  If the teacher was smart she could have used this opportunity to teach the children about debating civilly . Instead she chose a "shitty" way of  being a teacher and one who should be FIRED and but she was suspended with pay which is disgusting

Quoting sweet-a-kins:

 A teacher said something stupid and this is news? election worthy?

mmmk

Guess Obama's doing a great job and you have nothing legitimate to complain about

 


numbr1wmn
by Nikki on May. 22, 2012 at 10:20 AM
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Lots of people have bias I agree. 

But this teacher was a conservative or someone pushing religious info down a child's throat she/he would be fired.

Quoting rccmom:

Trust me, it isn't just teachers with a liberal bias that abuse their students. This made the news most likely only because it was about Obama, but stuff like that goes on more often than probably most people think, and not just about politics. Some teachers get very touchy when you disagree with their conservative bias, their liberal bias, or their bias as to what that poem really means, and etc. I've had my son called an idiot for disagreeing over a movie, and chewed out for believing that hunting for sport is wrong.       

Quoting numbr1wmn:

It's not something stupid.  It is a teacher who is abusing her power to children because of her liberal bias.  If the teacher was smart she could have used this opportunity to teach the children about debating civilly . Instead she chose a "shitty" way of  being a teacher and one who should be FIRED and but she was suspended with pay which is disgusting

Quoting sweet-a-kins:

 A teacher said something stupid and this is news? election worthy?

mmmk

Guess Obama's doing a great job and you have nothing legitimate to complain about

 

 


asfriend
by on May. 22, 2012 at 10:22 AM
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Quoting Jennyanne322:

I am dumb founded by how stupid this teacher sounds. How can she say well it's okay to bad mouth bush when he was president because he was a shitty president, but it's not okay to bad mouth Obama. You can not be arrested in the US for bad mouthing anyone. It's called freedom of speech. Unless you are threatening the life of the president that is a different story.

Obama is not just a president to this woman, she is so totally invested in him, that any criticism of him is a direct attack on her.

rccmom
by Gold Member on May. 22, 2012 at 10:26 AM
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Well, not here in TX, I doubt she would be fired. It kind of depends on where you are. My son is the liberal, and he deals with a lot of conservative bias.  

Quoting numbr1wmn:

Lots of people have bias I agree. 

But this teacher was a conservative or someone pushing religious info down a child's throat she/he would be fired.

Quoting rccmom:

Trust me, it isn't just teachers with a liberal bias that abuse their students. This made the news most likely only because it was about Obama, but stuff like that goes on more often than probably most people think, and not just about politics. Some teachers get very touchy when you disagree with their conservative bias, their liberal bias, or their bias as to what that poem really means, and etc. I've had my son called an idiot for disagreeing over a movie, and chewed out for believing that hunting for sport is wrong.       

Quoting numbr1wmn:

It's not something stupid.  It is a teacher who is abusing her power to children because of her liberal bias.  If the teacher was smart she could have used this opportunity to teach the children about debating civilly . Instead she chose a "shitty" way of  being a teacher and one who should be FIRED and but she was suspended with pay which is disgusting

Quoting sweet-a-kins:

 A teacher said something stupid and this is news? election worthy?

mmmk

Guess Obama's doing a great job and you have nothing legitimate to complain about

 

 

 


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