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The GOP is to Blame for Congressional Paralysis

Posted by on Jun. 3, 2012 at 10:04 PM
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I'd like to say that each side is at blame, but that simply isn't true and I'll support this claim with data from recent history, not conjecture.

The March 1, 2010 article "The Problem with Filibusters--The Negative Impact of Political Obstructionism" lays out the facts and blames the GOP.

The article states "According to White House Communications Director, Dan Pfeiffer, the Senate cast more votes to break filibusters last year than in the entire 1950s and '60s combined. Politically savvy citizens observe that obstructionism is an increasing problem."

How can Congress help us if the GOP is obstructing every piece of legislation that the Democrats offered? The article states " Senator Sheldon Whitehouse of Rhode Island stated to the NewYork Times, "Republicans are dedicated soley to blocking legislative proposals for political purposes. He further stated on the Senate floor, "We have crossed the mark of over 100 filibusters and acts of procedural obstruction in less than one year. Never since the founding of the Republic, not even in the bitter sentiments preceding Civil War, was such a thing ever seen in this body."

Many people will say that the Democrats are proposing legislation that the GOP is entirely against-therefore they are partially to blame. Again, that is simply not the case.

Let's look at the piece of legislation that the GOP demonized most dramatically. Remember "Death Panels"? That's pretty dramatic, and t he same pattern of obstruction was implemented by the GOP against every Democratic initiative.. The Affordable Care Act had many segments that the GOP supported in the past. Why do I say that?President Obama used GOP Presidential candidate Mitt Romney's Massachusetts initi ative as a model for his and GOP President Nixon, in conjunction with Ted Kennedy, proposed universal health care as the article " The Nixon-Kennedy Health Care Plan" illustrates.

The article relating to the book "'It's Even Worse Than It Looks: How the American Constitutional System Collided With The New Politics of Extremism'" illustrates that each side isn't partially to blame.

Whenever I hear a speech or read a book I want to know what group is paying the speaker or author. The authors of the book are respected by both the Democrats and Republicans as Thomas E. Mann has been a part of a left-leaning organization--the Brookings Institution and Norman J. Ornstein a right-leaning organization--American Enterprise Institute.

Supposes a blind person is robbed. Is he as responsible for the crime as the thief? According to these bipartisan authors, the same comparison is appropriate in regards to the paralysis of Congress.

The article states "Both have cultivated Democratic and Republican senators and House members to help them figure out the workings of the legislative branch…Republicans once took them as seriously as Democrats did."

We've become so accustomed to thinking that in government there are always two sides to the problem. The political show "Crossfire", among others, always gave both sides equal time in discussing a problem, which made us think that each was partially at fault. That simply isn't correct.

The article states "Now Mann and Ornstein have decided that the time has come to abandon the evenhandedness still fashionable among political journalists (as opposed to the partisan talking heads and bloggers now so popular)….


Their principal conclusion is unequivocal: Today's Republicans in Congress behave like a parliamentary party in a British-style parliament, a winner-take-all system. But a parliamentary party - "ideologically polarized, internally unified, vehemently oppositional" - doesn't work in a "separation-of-powers system that makes it extremely difficult for majorities to work their will."

Remember that Bush 43 gave his beloved "Turd Blossom", Karl Rove, a dual leadership position never before imagined in US politics. Rove was both chief political strategist and deputy White House chief of staff in charge of both policy and politics. Rove always talked about the "perpetual campaign" and "permanent GOP advantage". It is not a surprise that a "Party of No" came into being with Rove as their precursor.

The article states "These Republicans "have become more loyal to party than to country," the authors write, so "the political system has become grievously hobbled at a time when the country faces unusually serious problems and grave threats. . . . The country is squandering its economic future and putting itself at risk because of an inability to govern effectively."

The GOP doesn't even pretend to govern. They only obstruct!

The article concludes "And now, as Mann and Ornstein document so vividly, at a time when only good government could help us rediscover our footing as a nation, our Grand Old Party defines itself as the party of anti-government. This is why the title of this book is so good: Our situation really is even worse than it looks." 

I have substantiated that the GOP is using filibusters and acts of procedural obstruction to paralyze Congress. I have proven that the GOP is opposed to initiatives they earlier supported. Those two are the only components in this paralysis of Congress.

Make no mistake that there is a false equivalence regarding Congressional paralysis. When the "Party of No" states its primary policy is to make President Obama a one-term President and obstructs all efforts to govern the country, the GOP is solely at fault.

http://yahoo.com/the-gop-blame-congressional-paralysis-11314936.html

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by Platinum Member on Jun. 3, 2012 at 10:15 PM
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On Unprecedented Republican Filibusters of Obama

Someone recently pointed me to a source designed to back up his statement that Republicans have obstructed President Obama’s agenda through an unprecedented use of the filibuster. Of course, his source did nothing to prove his point since the author was documenting the record number of filibusters under George W. Bush, not Obama, but that didn’t stop him from maintaining his assertion of obstruction. As resident fact checker here at The Heathen Republican, I decided to determine the truth about filibusters and our two parties.

Below, I’ve examined 22 years of filibusters, and highlighted the 111th congress in more detail. What you’ll see is that there is no clear pattern of one party filibustering more than another. You’ll also see that the data are ambiguous enough that both parties have the ability to spin the message to blame the other party for excessive filibusters. Even though the two charts below definitively prove him wrong, I expect “someone” to spin the data to prove his case against Republicans in the comment thread (in order to avoid embarrassing him, I’ll refrain from naming my detractor).

How to Assign Ownership of a Filibuster
As usual, it’s important to start by defining our terms. The Senate's website doesn’t specifically refer to “filibusters,” but counts motions filed, votes on cloture, and cloture invoked. For example, in 2009-2010 a filibuster motion was filed 136 times, with 91 votes on cloture, where cloture was invoked 63 times. For our purposes, motions filed will count as an attempt to filibuster, and I won’t track the votes or successful attempts to defeat the filibuster (i.e. cloture invoked).

In understanding the filibuster process, you need to know that it takes 60 votes to kill a filibuster. Said another way, a minority party must have 41 votes to sustain a filibuster and avoid cloture. When a party has 41 members, all they have to do is threaten filibuster in order to bring the Senate to a halt. In the modern era, filibusters are, in reality, simply threats to filibuster and not Mr-Smith-Goes-to-Washington-type-speeches. Since the filibuster can only be sustained with 41 votes, my methodology is to credit the minority party holding the 41st vote with the filibusters.

Filibusters Since the 101st Congress
When we examine the Senate record since 1989, it’s clear that filibusters are a way of doing business for the minority party. The 107th congress breaks the pattern as a result of a 50/50 split over the two-year period, but the volume of filibusters is still within normal levels to that point.

The 110th congress was record-setting with its 139 filibusters by the Republicans, but it’s incorrect to say that this was a Republican plan to obstruct President Obama since he had yet to be elected. Consider this another complication in interpreting filibuster data since it’s not realistic to say that Republican Senators were trying to obstruct President Bush’s agenda.

Filibustering the 111th Congress
The 111th congress, during President Obama’s first two years, is a bit of a special case. In terms of my methodology, there were several factors that affected whether or not there were 41 Senators in the minority party at any given time, including: one disputed election, two deaths, one resignation, and one party change. While the 111th congress came close to matching the record-breaking filibuster total of the 110th congress, they are spread across both parties, as the following chart demonstrates.

It’s clear to me that someone who claims Republicans have obstructed President Obama with a record number of filibusters simply doesn’t know what they’re talking about. Like just about everything in politics, both parties take advantage of the tools at their disposal to accomplish their ends, and prevent the opposition from accomplishing theirs. Sounds like politics as usual to me.

asfriend
by on Jun. 3, 2012 at 11:07 PM
you might not be cut out for this type of work kissy
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im23vaughn
by Bronze Member on Jun. 3, 2012 at 11:16 PM

A filibuster is a delay tactic to prevent a motion (e.g., a motion on a legislative bill) from being voted on by the member of the assembly in which the motion is being considered. Fillibusters extend debate on the motion to obstruct its passage. Cloture is an action that ends debate so that the assembled body may vote on the motion. Therefore, cloture can end a filibuster so that the motion may be put to the floor for a vote. In the U.S. Senate, for example, cloture can be achieved with a 3/5 vote (i.e., 60 of 100 Senators).

Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_difference_between_a_filibuster_and_closure_in_the_senate#ixzz1wn5nhUg6

This is why the sitting party normally invokes more cloture, because a cloture ENDS the stall tactics that fillibusters create. So nice try Carpy trying to fool CMers with your lies. The Republicans have invoked which in turn has caused the  Dems to have to file more motions to clotures to END those fillibusters.

asfriend
by on Jun. 3, 2012 at 11:20 PM
not sure what vaughn is struggling with here, it takes 60 votes to start debate on a bill and 60 votes to stop debate thereby calling for a vote. it is a simple senate rule, the one exception is budget bills, only a simple majority is needed. none of this is new or mystical
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im23vaughn
by Bronze Member on Jun. 3, 2012 at 11:22 PM


Quoting asfriend:

not sure what vaughn is struggling with here, it takes 60 votes to start debate on a bill and 60 votes to stop debate thereby calling for a vote. it is a simple senate rule, the one exception is budget bills, only a simple majority is needed. none of this is new or mystical


Not struggling with anything. Clotures are what is used to END fillibusters. Carpy posted a reply that stated the Dems had invoked more calls to clotures than the Republicans had. The point? They have invoked all of these calls to invoke cloture to END the many fillibusters that the GOP has invoked.

asfriend
by on Jun. 3, 2012 at 11:28 PM
slower this time cloture is what stops debate on a bill, every bill must have cloture, except budget bills, before there can be a vote.


Quoting im23vaughn:



Quoting asfriend:

not sure what vaughn is struggling with here, it takes 60 votes to start debate on a bill and 60 votes to stop debate thereby calling for a vote. it is a simple senate rule, the one exception is budget bills, only a simple majority is needed. none of this is new or mystical


Not struggling with anything. Clotures are what is used to END fillibusters. Carpy posted a reply that stated the Dems had invoked more calls to clotures than the Republicans had. The point? They have invoked all of these calls to invoke cloture to END the many fillibusters that the GOP has invoked.


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im23vaughn
by Bronze Member on Jun. 3, 2012 at 11:29 PM

Also,  the GOP controlled the 108th & 109th Congress in 4 years 130 motions to file cloture were invoked.  The 110th and 111th Congresses were controlled by Dems. 276 motions to file cloture were filed.

Under GOP controlled Congress 103 votes on cloture were held & 46 clotures invoked.

Under Dem controlled Congress 113 votes on cloture were held & 124 clotures were invoked.

It's clear as day, that a record number of fillibusters were inacted during the Obama presidency.

http://www.senate.gov/pagelayout/reference/cloture_motions/clotureCounts.htm

im23vaughn
by Bronze Member on Jun. 3, 2012 at 11:30 PM

Obviously, you are the one who isn't understanding. There is a correlation between a rise in fillibustes & a rise in motions to invoke cloture. What don't you understand? Did I do it slow enough for you this time?  Do you know what a fillibuster is & what the purpose of one is? if not read a few post above.

Quoting asfriend:

slower this time cloture is what stops debate on a bill, every bill must have cloture, except budget bills, before there can be a vote.


Quoting im23vaughn:

 


Quoting asfriend:

not sure what vaughn is struggling with here, it takes 60 votes to start debate on a bill and 60 votes to stop debate thereby calling for a vote. it is a simple senate rule, the one exception is budget bills, only a simple majority is needed. none of this is new or mystical


Not struggling with anything. Clotures are what is used to END fillibusters. Carpy posted a reply that stated the Dems had invoked more calls to clotures than the Republicans had. The point? They have invoked all of these calls to invoke cloture to END the many fillibusters that the GOP has invoked.


 

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