House Oversight to vote on contempt charges against Obama Administration's DOJ Head, Eric Holder.

[jcrew6]

CBS News has learned the House Oversight Committee will vote next week on whether to hold Attorney General Eric Holder in contempt of Congress. It’s the fourth time in 30 years that Congress has launched a contempt action against an executive branch member.

This time, the dispute stems from Holder failing to turn over documents subpoenaed on October 12, 2011 in the Fast and Furious “gunwalking” investigation.

The Justice Department has maintained it has cooperated fully with the congressional investigation, turning over tens of thousands of documents and having Holder testify to Congress on the topic at least eight times.

This after last week's accusations that, "Department of Justice has not provided enough information about the operation that has left hundreds dead in Mexico and at least one U.S. federal agent, Brian Terry, dead. Smith berated the Justice Department for its failure to comply with Congressional subpoenas that “may shed light on why this program was authorized and who had knowledge of the inappropriate tactics.”

Plus when Holder testified Emails With Fast & Furious Have Nothing To Do With Fast and Furious Operation

[jcrew6]

Unintended consequence? Talk about spinning to serve an agenda

Quoting mommygiggles317:

Quoting Carpy:

The cross hairs that Palin used had nothing to do with anyone being shot.  And if cross hairs on a politician resulted in people being shot there would be a hell of a lot of shot politicians on both sides.

Quoting mommygiggles317:

Quoting Ednarooni160:

Quoting mommygiggles317:

Quoting Ednarooni160:

Quoting mommygiggles317:

Quoting Ednarooni160:

Quoting mommygiggles317:

Quoting Ednarooni160:

 He will get the same justice the Black Panthers got concerning intimidating voters amongst other things.. Very little if any.  His buddies in the adminstration will see to that.

Please can we stop calling those fools the Black Panthers... Huey P. Newton, Bobby Seale, Fred Hampton... those were Black Panthers. Those three fools are just that fools...

Considering who gave them a free pass I would add Holder to that list.  They aren't the black panthers?  And I have no idea what the black panthers names were that intimidated voters or put out a hit list on Zimmerman..  So one KKK is a "fool", two or three  are"fools"..what constutues down right out bad guys?

bad guys, fools whatever... I personally do not like giving them a name that they did not earn. I had to do a research paper on the "REAL" Black Panther Party last semester and trust me... those three bad guys that we see on t.v. are no Black Panther Party... using the name just gets them their 15 minutes on t.v....

So they weren't black panthers? 

The real Black Panthers (the Black Panther Party for Self Defense/Social Reform) was a so-called Black Militant group of the 60's that originated in California. It was founded by Huey P. Newton and Bobby Seale. Fred Hampton headed the Chicago chapter of the Black Panthers. For the most part, they were a community based organization that tried their best to implement needed social change in minority, low income neighborhoods. They started free breakfast programs for school children, set up blood drives, worked with hospitals to provide sickle-cell screenings and even got doctors in these communities to do home visits. They started their own school in Oakland California (Oakland Community School). Outside of the negative views of the Black Panthers because they did promote self defense against police officers (the bad, racist ones atleast) and openly carrie guns, they did do their best to change their communities for the better while at the same time bring attention to the conditions and environment of their people. They had chapters throughout the country and worked with other minority social activist groups.

Here's a quote from Huey P. Newton in the 70's about the purpose of the OCS school... " The school is the realization of a dream... to repair disabled minds and the disenfranchised lives of this country's poor communities, to lay the foundations as to create an arena for the world without such suffering. Our aim is to provide the young of these communities with as much knowledge with understanding. For we believe without knowledge there can be no real understanding and that understanding is the key to liberation for all."

The real Black Panther Party of the 60's would have never tried to intimidate voters. They would have been standing guard making sure that everyone able to vote did vote without intimidating anyone. They would have made sure voters were safe to vote...

Whether these guys represent the old or the new..where was Eric Holder on this?  Why didn't he do something about it..that and the wanted poster for Zimmerman..  You seem to understand a difference from the "old" way and the "new"..doesn't Mr. Holder?  Wrong is wrong..right?

I can't speak for Eric Holder... I don't know why he didn't do anything. I guess the same could be said of Sarah Palin and her cross-hairs that resulted in someone being shot (not trying to be funny but inciting violence is inciting violence no matter who or the reasoning behind it). In all honesty, I never heard about this so-called "New" Black Panther Party until people were bringing them up here on CM. Then when I saw that it was these 3 fools, I was like, who the hell are they?...

I guess if I were to take a stab at answering as to why Holder did not address them, I would probably go with the fact that no body's really paying attention to them with the exception of the media. maybe trying to keep the tension down a little in this country (let's be honest, people are on edge and i think that nobody wants to be the catalyst to jump shit off). if you ignore someone enough and don't give them the attention that they want, they eventually go away... that would be my best guess, I don't know... I do wish that they would go away, and I wish the media would stop giving them a platform...

Rep. Gabrielle Gifford (D-Ariz) Shooting

That's not what I was asking you about but ok...

As I stated earlier, it was an unintended consequence, but a consequence nontheless... I guess you take that back about members of the BPP killing Malcolm X... still interested in knowing where you got that from?...

[mommygiggles317]

Quoting jcrew6:

Unintended consequence? Talk about spinning to serve an agenda

Quoting mommygiggles317:

Quoting Carpy:

The cross hairs that Palin used had nothing to do with anyone being shot.  And if cross hairs on a politician resulted in people being shot there would be a hell of a lot of shot politicians on both sides.

Quoting mommygiggles317:

Quoting Ednarooni160:

Quoting mommygiggles317:

Quoting Ednarooni160:

Quoting mommygiggles317:

Quoting Ednarooni160:

Quoting mommygiggles317:

Quoting Ednarooni160:

 He will get the same justice the Black Panthers got concerning intimidating voters amongst other things.. Very little if any.  His buddies in the adminstration will see to that.

Please can we stop calling those fools the Black Panthers... Huey P. Newton, Bobby Seale, Fred Hampton... those were Black Panthers. Those three fools are just that fools...

Considering who gave them a free pass I would add Holder to that list.  They aren't the black panthers?  And I have no idea what the black panthers names were that intimidated voters or put out a hit list on Zimmerman..  So one KKK is a "fool", two or three  are"fools"..what constutues down right out bad guys?

bad guys, fools whatever... I personally do not like giving them a name that they did not earn. I had to do a research paper on the "REAL" Black Panther Party last semester and trust me... those three bad guys that we see on t.v. are no Black Panther Party... using the name just gets them their 15 minutes on t.v....

So they weren't black panthers? 

The real Black Panthers (the Black Panther Party for Self Defense/Social Reform) was a so-called Black Militant group of the 60's that originated in California. It was founded by Huey P. Newton and Bobby Seale. Fred Hampton headed the Chicago chapter of the Black Panthers. For the most part, they were a community based organization that tried their best to implement needed social change in minority, low income neighborhoods. They started free breakfast programs for school children, set up blood drives, worked with hospitals to provide sickle-cell screenings and even got doctors in these communities to do home visits. They started their own school in Oakland California (Oakland Community School). Outside of the negative views of the Black Panthers because they did promote self defense against police officers (the bad, racist ones atleast) and openly carrie guns, they did do their best to change their communities for the better while at the same time bring attention to the conditions and environment of their people. They had chapters throughout the country and worked with other minority social activist groups.

Here's a quote from Huey P. Newton in the 70's about the purpose of the OCS school... " The school is the realization of a dream... to repair disabled minds and the disenfranchised lives of this country's poor communities, to lay the foundations as to create an arena for the world without such suffering. Our aim is to provide the young of these communities with as much knowledge with understanding. For we believe without knowledge there can be no real understanding and that understanding is the key to liberation for all."

The real Black Panther Party of the 60's would have never tried to intimidate voters. They would have been standing guard making sure that everyone able to vote did vote without intimidating anyone. They would have made sure voters were safe to vote...

Whether these guys represent the old or the new..where was Eric Holder on this?  Why didn't he do something about it..that and the wanted poster for Zimmerman..  You seem to understand a difference from the "old" way and the "new"..doesn't Mr. Holder?  Wrong is wrong..right?

I can't speak for Eric Holder... I don't know why he didn't do anything. I guess the same could be said of Sarah Palin and her cross-hairs that resulted in someone being shot (not trying to be funny but inciting violence is inciting violence no matter who or the reasoning behind it). In all honesty, I never heard about this so-called "New" Black Panther Party until people were bringing them up here on CM. Then when I saw that it was these 3 fools, I was like, who the hell are they?...

I guess if I were to take a stab at answering as to why Holder did not address them, I would probably go with the fact that no body's really paying attention to them with the exception of the media. maybe trying to keep the tension down a little in this country (let's be honest, people are on edge and i think that nobody wants to be the catalyst to jump shit off). if you ignore someone enough and don't give them the attention that they want, they eventually go away... that would be my best guess, I don't know... I do wish that they would go away, and I wish the media would stop giving them a platform...

Rep. Gabrielle Gifford (D-Ariz) Shooting

That's not what I was asking you about but ok...

As I stated earlier, it was an unintended consequence, but a consequence nontheless... I guess you take that back about members of the BPP killing Malcolm X... still interested in knowing where you got that from?...

Damn... I didn't know that I had so much power!!! Little old me, chick from the Bronx spinning to serve an agenda... yeah okay. If you disagree then ok, whatever... but please know that I am not that powerful. I have opinions about things that go on in this world and sometimes I share them with others... I have no "agenda. "

As far as the crosshairs thing I'll tell you what I told my younger brothers and sisters when we were growing up:

Be careful about the words you put in the air... words are living things. Becareful of the images that you portray, because all of our actions have meaning and consequences. we have to be more aware of those around us and how our words and actions come across to others. You can't go around doing and saying any damn thing you want without any regard to others.

Like I stated before, yes it was an unintended consequence, but a consequence nontheless... As even Palin's own people have stated... we never intended for something like this to happen. If I teach my son who will be three next month that everything we do has a consequence good or bad, that doesn't apply to anyone else? Don't take my words as trying to take full responsibility away from the man who committed this crime and ended this woman's career in politics. But these are my personal opinions and views... what are your views regarding this situation?

[DSamuels]

Please enlighten me as to how they could have derailed the confirmation since they were the minority? Even in committee they wouldn't have had the votes by themselves to derail it. I'm not getting it.

As to the names, there are quite a few on there that are moderate to liberal repubs, it doesn't surprise me they voted for him. But to blame them for his confirmation? Absurd, there was no way for them to stop it with the majority the dems had in the senate even if they all voted against Holder.

Quoting BoysManDog:

Oh, no ... They could have derailed the confirmation long before that.  They did not.  They did NOTHING. Many even went so far as to voice total support and say what a fine man Holder is.  Thank you, GOP. 

We have the following to blame specifically:  Orin Hatch. R-UT. Kit Bond, R-MO., Lamar Alexander, R-Tenn., Bob Bennett, R-Utah, Saxby Chambliss, R-Ga., Susan Collins, R-Maine, Bob Corker, R-Tenn., Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., Charles Grassley, R-Iowa, Judd Gregg, R-N.H., Johnny Isakson, R-Ga., Jon Kyl, R-Ariz., Richard Lugar, R-Ind., John McCain, R-Ariz., Lisa Murkowski, R-Alaska, Jeff Sessions, R-Ala., Olympia Snowe, R-Maine, Arlen Specter, R-Pa., and George Voinovich, R-Ohio.

Quoting DSamuels:

Well, seeing as at the time the Senate voted on his confirmation the dems had a filibuster proof majority, there was nothing the GOP could do to stop the confimation. The vote was 75-21, with the 21 all being republicans. That means around 14 repubs voted for him, a minority of the GOP senate.

Quoting BoysManDog:

Unfortunately, the right has no one but themselves to blame for this arrogant, lying, corrupt man's tenure.  They knew who he was.  It was as plain as day, especially given the whole Marc Rich affair, and the GOP still confirmed him.  This is what "compromise" and "playing nice" gets us. 

[Ednarooni160]